But... all those university guys without a girlfriend to cook for them!<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
You mean you didnt know already kraft has genetically engineered food? If you think about it corn is also. It never existed before humans domesticated it.
There's a little difference between the way we domesticated corn and introducing radically new genes into a plant.
I'm not going to start talking against genetic engeneering in general, because it is obvious much good can come from them, but as long as we don't know how inserting foreign genetic sequences into DNA will work out on the long scale, I'll stay away from the stuff.
Nemisis i think what you might be thinking of is when people put a gene in a virus and insert it into a cell. I forget the term i think its viral therepy or something. I forget.
quoted from the webpage.
"Genetically engineered crops also pose risks to our family farms through genetic pollution of organic and conventional farmers' crops, the creation of “superweeds” from <b>cross-pollination,</b> and virulent new plant viruses."
ok cross pollination is what these people are worrying about? WTF! Next thing im gonna have a enviromentalist group picketing my house because I have a orange tree in the back that has been graphed!
Well, you know how the most common genetic modifications are genes that make crops immune to certain pesticides so they can be used in greater amounts than on unaltered plants? It is very well possible that insects who feed on those plants sooner or later may obtain the very same immunity (you are what you eat - it's true).
<i>That's</i> what they mean by 'genetic pollution'. It's quite possible that genetical food is the source of highly immune insects which may threaten whole harvests.
Also, if you're a bio - farmer who tries to keep his products as unaltered as possible to enhance their quality and thus get better prices, would you want genetically engeniered pollen to mix up with your own high quality crops?
Nobody wants to get you for your orange tree - but would you want your neighbour to dump his garbage on your lawn?
Thats the reason why the continue to cross pollinate insects keep on adapting because the ones that can eat the crops thrive while the others die off. Farmers dont grow the exact same corn anyways so its not like their is an official corn that one insect will be completly immune to and eat everything.
well corn is a genetically engineered to begin with. Corn cant survive on its own. Its a type of wheat that was created to have bigger kernerals.
Well if that guy is trying to grow oranges or something he shouldnt grow his tree right next to his nieghbors oranges hell plant something else then plant his trees.
You're comparing a match to a nuclear warhead here. Sure, both create a flame, but the size differs <i>slightly</i>.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Farmers dont grow the exact same corn anyways so its not like their is an official corn that one insect will be completly immune to and eat everything. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, but it means that whole kinds of pesticides (and there are only few which are a) effective, b) not harmful for the plants and c) not harmful for the consumer) is further reduced, meaning that sooner or later, you'll have to resort to more agressive (-> harmful) stuff.
Yes, cross pollination happens all the time, but on a ridiculously small scale - the introduction of 'alien' genes <i>whichs effects have not yet been determined exactely</i> into that does burst that scale, by far. We're not talking about a somewhat different color here, we're talking about purposefully altered atributes.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well corn is a genetically engineered to begin with. Corn cant survive on its own. Its a type of wheat that was created to have bigger kernerals.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go on repeating it, but the fact remains that this 'engineering' happened slowly and without of direct influence in the plants DNA - there's a huge difference between cross-breeding and what's going on right now.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Dec 12 2002, 03:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Dec 12 2002, 03:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No, but it means that whole kinds of pesticides (and there are only few which are a) effective, b) not harmful for the plants and c) not harmful for the consumer) is further reduced, meaning that sooner or later, you'll have to resort to more agressive (-> harmful) stuff.
Yes, cross pollination happens all the time, but on a ridiculously small scale - the introduction of 'alien' genes <i>whichs effects have not yet been determined exactely</i> into that does burst that scale, by far. We're not talking about a somewhat different color here, we're talking about purposefully altered atributes.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well corn is a genetically engineered to begin with. Corn cant survive on its own. Its a type of wheat that was created to have bigger kernerals.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go on repeating it, but the fact remains that this 'engineering' happened slowly and without of direct influence in the plants DNA - there's a huge difference between cross-breeding and what's going on right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> How did we get to talking about pesticides? I thought we were talking about plants that were resistant to insects.
How is cross-pollination so diffrent from cross breading? Because the site says that is what they are doing.
<!--QuoteBegin--Comprox+Dec 12 2002, 02:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Comprox @ Dec 12 2002, 02:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But... all those university guys without a girlfriend to cook for them!<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> My girlfriend doesn't cook for me! I make my own mac and cheese! What on earth am I doing wrong?
<!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Dec 13 2002, 02:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Dec 13 2002, 02:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->How did we get to talking about pesticides? I thought we were talking about plants that were resistant to insects.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, you were talking about plant resistances, something I had not even heard of before this discussion. I talked about this: <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, you know how the most common genetic modifications are genes that make crops immune to certain pesticides so they can be used in greater amounts than on unaltered plants? It is very well possible that insects who feed on those plants sooner or later may obtain the very same immunity (you are what you eat - it's true).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, I wasn't comparing cross-pollination to cross-breeding, I was comparing cross-breeding to genetic engineering and cross pollation with genetically engineered pollen.
You guys aren't the ones who need to worry as much as those of us in the Armed Forces. Thw government has tested a plethora of experimental vaccines, chemical and biological weapons, and dangerous foreign diseases on us since the begining of the Cold War. Although I haven't been tested on. *Extra set of arms twitches while scratching newly grown buttocks*
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I'm not going to start talking against genetic engeneering in general, because it is obvious much good can come from them, but as long as we don't know how inserting foreign genetic sequences into DNA will work out on the long scale, I'll stay away from the stuff.
quoted from the webpage.
"Genetically engineered crops also pose risks to our family farms through genetic pollution of organic and conventional farmers' crops, the creation of “superweeds” from <b>cross-pollination,</b> and virulent new plant viruses."
ok cross pollination is what these people are worrying about? WTF! Next thing im gonna have a enviromentalist group picketing my house because I have a orange tree in the back that has been graphed!
It is very well possible that insects who feed on those plants sooner or later may obtain the very same immunity (you are what you eat - it's true).
<i>That's</i> what they mean by 'genetic pollution'. It's quite possible that genetical food is the source of highly immune insects which may threaten whole harvests.
Also, if you're a bio - farmer who tries to keep his products as unaltered as possible to enhance their quality and thus get better prices, would you want genetically engeniered pollen to mix up with your own high quality crops?
Nobody wants to get you for your orange tree - but would you want your neighbour to dump his garbage on your lawn?
well corn is a genetically engineered to begin with. Corn cant survive on its own. Its a type of wheat that was created to have bigger kernerals.
Well if that guy is trying to grow oranges or something he shouldnt grow his tree right next to his nieghbors oranges hell plant something else then plant his trees.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Farmers dont grow the exact same corn anyways so its not like their is an official corn that one insect will be completly immune to and eat everything. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, but it means that whole kinds of pesticides (and there are only few which are a) effective, b) not harmful for the plants and c) not harmful for the consumer) is further reduced, meaning that sooner or later, you'll have to resort to more agressive (-> harmful) stuff.
Yes, cross pollination happens all the time, but on a ridiculously small scale - the introduction of 'alien' genes <i>whichs effects have not yet been determined exactely</i> into that does burst that scale, by far. We're not talking about a somewhat different color here, we're talking about purposefully altered atributes.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well corn is a genetically engineered to begin with. Corn cant survive on its own. Its a type of wheat that was created to have bigger kernerals.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go on repeating it, but the fact remains that this 'engineering' happened slowly and without of direct influence in the plants DNA - there's a huge difference between cross-breeding and what's going on right now.
Yes, cross pollination happens all the time, but on a ridiculously small scale - the introduction of 'alien' genes <i>whichs effects have not yet been determined exactely</i> into that does burst that scale, by far. We're not talking about a somewhat different color here, we're talking about purposefully altered atributes.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well corn is a genetically engineered to begin with. Corn cant survive on its own. Its a type of wheat that was created to have bigger kernerals.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go on repeating it, but the fact remains that this 'engineering' happened slowly and without of direct influence in the plants DNA - there's a huge difference between cross-breeding and what's going on right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How did we get to talking about pesticides? I thought we were talking about plants that were resistant to insects.
How is cross-pollination so diffrent from cross breading? Because the site says that is what they are doing.
My girlfriend doesn't cook for me! I make my own mac and cheese! What on earth am I doing wrong?
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No, you were talking about plant resistances, something I had not even heard of before this discussion. I talked about this:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, you know how the most common genetic modifications are genes that make crops immune to certain pesticides so they can be used in greater amounts than on unaltered plants?
It is very well possible that insects who feed on those plants sooner or later may obtain the very same immunity (you are what you eat - it's true).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, I wasn't comparing cross-pollination to cross-breeding, I was comparing cross-breeding to genetic engineering and cross pollation with genetically engineered pollen.
You guys aren't the ones who need to worry as much as those of us in the Armed Forces. Thw government has tested a plethora of experimental vaccines, chemical and biological weapons, and dangerous foreign diseases on us since the begining of the Cold War. Although I haven't been tested on. *Extra set of arms twitches while scratching newly grown buttocks*