Media Content Legislation
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Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13141Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">ex. You must play 30% 'national' music</div> In some countries outside the US, radio and TV stations are forced by legislation to play a certain amount of national content. For example in Canada, our TV stations must play 30% Canadian content. The idea is to promote Canadian culture and lessen the extent of American influence.
I for one find this intrusive. The government is not to decide what is Canadian culture. Even the Canadian music that gets played does not define Canadian culture. CANADIANS determine what Canadian culture is.
If Canadians prefer American media, then let them watch American media. We are not becoming Americanized by some evil force, but by the individual decisions of millions of Canadians who decide that they want to watch Friends and go to Burger King. It is up to the Canadian media companies to cater to the Canadian desires, not the other way around.
Anybody else have these laws? Or support them?
I for one find this intrusive. The government is not to decide what is Canadian culture. Even the Canadian music that gets played does not define Canadian culture. CANADIANS determine what Canadian culture is.
If Canadians prefer American media, then let them watch American media. We are not becoming Americanized by some evil force, but by the individual decisions of millions of Canadians who decide that they want to watch Friends and go to Burger King. It is up to the Canadian media companies to cater to the Canadian desires, not the other way around.
Anybody else have these laws? Or support them?
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Reminds me of Georgia wanting to rename "evolution" really.
I liked The Kids In The Hall. They must be part of the 5% <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Otherwise, right on. If people don't like what's on their TV, they can change the channel or turn it off. Let the viewers decide, I say.
I liked The Kids In The Hall. They must be part of the 5% <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Otherwise, right on. If people don't like what's on their TV, they can change the channel or turn it off. Let the viewers decide, I say. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And I liked SCTV - maybe they combine for 2.5%? Plus the wife watches that crazy sex talk chick that's like 80 years old, so maybe it's an even split for all three?
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Especially if one of your main exports is Celine Deion. I would imagine they'd pay her NOT to sing, but that's Canada for you: always being nice to people even when they suck.
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Here in switzerland before it was nearly impossible to find a radiostation that played swiss music (you know, swiss rock, metal... even rap (me dont likes rap)). Its nut that the people dont WANT swiss music, but the big CD labels pay the radiostations to play theyr song and so destroy the swiss market... and so the whole thing is better
I mean, what the hell, do you live in a totalitarian country? I guess this time USA's troops don't have to travel too far. Well, they are in mid-east now so I guess they do, but you get the point <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Seriously though, if you don't have decent bands, you deserve to lose that part of your national identity. It's Natural selection <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Around here we don't really have that problem, we have plenty of domestic TV shows and bands playing on radio. I can see why they are doing it there, but I don't agree with it. You should try to fix the problem via other means, maybe support artists and film-companies more? Not just force radio to play whatever song, as long as it's Canadian. I mean whatabout when there's a shortage of decent bands in Canada(like every country has every now and then)? Play 15% of the time Dions Titanic crapzor and 15% that new french whining?
God forbid. I can predict the suicide rates in Canada going through the roof.
Mayhaps the better solution would be to forbid companies buying airtime? That way the best songs, no matter from what country, would be played.
It's hard to find an alternative to mainstream music in the US, does that mean they should force radio stations to play 15% underground music?
They wouldn't do it because they would lose ratings and money, and if you think it doesn't give smaller groups a chance then you need to start a thread on monopolies in the music industry, because that is a completely different subject.
Here in switzerland before it was nearly impossible to find a radiostation that played swiss music (you know, swiss rock, metal... even rap (me dont likes rap)). Its nut that the people dont WANT swiss music, but the big CD labels pay the radiostations to play theyr song and so destroy the swiss market... and so the whole thing is better <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How is it not forcing? "30% of the music you play must be by Canadian artists". Normally radio station just play what people want to hear, which of course makes perfect business sense. If the people wanted national music they would play it freely, and wouldn't need restrictions in the first place.
So let me get this straight... american music companies are paying radio stations to NOT play swiss music/play thiers instead? Hard to believe there isn't something like an internet radio station playing the stuff (or do those not count?). What you need is a radio station with integrity (sp) and wont sell out. I bet if you started an all swiss(or just a station that plays alot, with some other nationalities thrown into the mix) station it would boom pretty fast.
Swiss Rock(english): Gothard, Krokus,
Swiss Metal: <b>Shakra</b>, g's, Emerald
Swiss Rock(swiss-german): Gölä, Patent Ochsner, Züri West
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Well, i dont think that NOBODY wants swiss music, in your case canadian. Before this regulation there was NO radio station playing swiss music. Do you think NOBODY wanted to listen swiss music? Of course not. But the swiss CD labels have less money to pay the radio stations. But since this regulation is in place, swiss music is much more popular and much more people WANT to hear it. The problem before was that they didnt knew it.
And hey, we are talking about music, if you dont want to listen to that radio that forces you to listen to a certain kind of music, you dont have to, i never listen to radio station, they have all the day long the same ....** (ok, since the regulation it gets better) I prefer my own music collection
Likewise with culture.
Given about 300 more years or so, probably 'English' from England would have been too incomprehensible for an American to understand and a new language would have been formed. However, with the invention of the telephone and the internet, all that has changed. No longer do you have to go in a boat across the atlantic several thousand miles to talk to someone that far away. Now you can pick up the phone and do this.
In otherwords, there is no longer any geographical separation from the rest of the world. The byproduct of culture and languages is diminishing. America was formed at the beginning of this 'communications' era. So the American 'culture' is really the absence of culture in a large degree. Other nations who also follow the trend of losing their culture will wind up a lot like the American culture.
Not that there is anything wrong with that. I'll leave that up to you to determine. The benefits far exceed the negatives if you ask me.
Yes not to mention Bruce Springsteen, Johnny Cash, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Billie Holiday, The Eagles, Nirvana, Metallica, eesh what rubbish.
Yes not to mention Bruce Springsteen, Johnny Cash, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Billie Holiday, The Eagles, Nirvana, Metallica, eesh what rubbish. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too bad Eric Clapton is English and Metallica's drummer is Dutch... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I second Mennix's request. I find it especially interesting that you make this comment using one of America's greatest contributions to society, the Internet. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Are you also saying that all of Europe's forced 'culturization' (due to centuries of warfare and colonisation) were more or less destructive? If I have to choose, I take being given the option to listen to Britney Spears (or not) versus say, Australia's 'Stolen Generation' of aboriginies, or South Africa's appartheid, or India's complete rape and ownership by Britain, for example.
Also, metallica drummer's heritage is Dutch, but then everybody's heritage in America derives from somewhere other than USA.
To prove my point I will now start speaking only in Russian and listening strictly to Russian Hip Hop
Rookee vferh, yo yo!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Eric Patrick Clapton was born on 30 March 1945 in his grandparents' home at 1 The Green, Ripley, Surrey, England. He was the son of 16-year-old Patricia Molly Clapton (b. 7 January 1929, d. March 1999) and Edward Walter Fryer (b. 21 March 1920, d. 1985), a 24-year-old Canadian soldier stationed in England during World War II. Before Clapton was born, Fryer returned to his wife in Canada. Pat's parents, Rose and Jack Clapp, raised him as their own child. The surname Clapton comes from Rose's first husband and Pat's father, Reginald Cecil Clapton (d. 1933). It was extraordinarily difficult for an unmarried 16-year-old to raise a child on her own in the mid-1940s. Thus, Clapton grew up believing that his mother was his sister. Eventually, his mother met someone and married. After marriage, Pat moved to Canada and Germany as her husband continued his military career. They would have a boy and two girls. Clapton's grandparents never legally adopted him, but remained his guardians until 1963.
Quiet and polite, Clapton was characterized as an above-average student with an aptitude for art. From his earliest years in school, he realized something was not quite right when he wrote his name as "Eric Clapton" and his parents' names as "Mr. and Mrs. Clapp". At the age of nine, Clapton learned the truth about his parentage when Pat returned to England with his six-year-old half brother for a visit. This singular event affected Clapton deeply. He became moody and distant and stopped applying himself at school. Emotionally scarred by this event, Clapton failed the all-important 11 Plus Exams. He was sent to St. Bede's Secondary Modern School and two years later, entered the art branch of Holyfield Road School. In 1961, Clapton began studying at the Kingston College of Art on a one-year probation. He was expelled at the end of that time for not submitting enough work. The reason was that guitar playing and listening to the Blues dominated his waking hours. Before turning to music as a career, he supported himself as a laborer at building sites, working alongside his grandfather.
Clapton was raised in a musical household. His grandmother played piano and his mother and uncle both enjoyed listening to the sounds of the big bands. By 1958, Rock and Roll had exploded onto the world. Typical of his introspective nature, Clapton looked behind the surface and began exploring its roots in American Blues. The blues meshed perfectly with his self-perception as an outsider and being "different" from other people. For his 13th birthday, he asked for a guitar. Finding it difficult to play, Clapton put the Spanish Hoya aside for a time. He began playing again around the time he started college. Sometime in 1962, he asked for his grandparents' help in purchasing a £100 electric double cutaway Kay (a Gibson ES335 clone) after hearing the electric blues of Freddie King, B.B. King, Muddy Waters, Buddy Guy, and others.
In early 1963, Clapton joined his first band, The Roosters. Following the band's demise, he spent one month in the pop-oriented Casey Jones and The Engineers. In October 1963, Keith Relf and Paul Samwell-Smith recruited him to become a member of The Yardbirds because Clapton was the most talked about player on the R&B pub circuit. During his 18-month tenure with The Yardbirds Clapton made his first albums: Five Live Yardbirds and Sonny Boy Williamson and The Yardbirds. The band also recorded the single, "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl". During this time, he earned the nickname, "Slowhand." Whenever he would break a string on stage, he would change it to the accompaniment of a "slow hand clap" from the audience. Throughout this period, Clapton’s serious research into the American Blues continued. When The Yardbirds began moving towards a more commercial sound with the single "For Your Love", he quit. His path in music was the blues.
In April 1965, John Mayall invited Clapton to join his band, John Mayall's Bluesbreakers. With this band, Clapton established his reputation as a guitarist and earned his second nickname: “God”. The moniker came from an admirer’s graffiti on the wall of a London Tube Station that proclaimed “Clapton is God.” His time with the band was turbulent and Clapton left for a while to tour Greece with friends. Upon his return, the now classic album Blues Breakers With Eric Clapton was recorded. After leaving the Bluesbreakers for a second time, Clapton played on numerous sessions, including those with a band dubbed “The Powerhouse” which included John Paul Jones, Steve Winwood and Jack Bruce.
In late 1966, he teamed up with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker to form Cream. Extensive touring in the U.S. and three solid albums - Fresh Cream, Disraeli Gears, and Wheels of Fire - brought the band worldwide acclaim. While a member of Cream, he cemented his reputation as rock's premier guitarist and was elevated to superstar status. Although Cream was together for two years, they are considered one of the most influential rock groups of the modern era. Clapton was unique because he did not simply replicate the blues riffs he'd heard on record. He incorporated the emotion of the original performances into his own style of playing, thus expanding the vocabulary of blues guitar. The band crumbled beneath the weight of the member's egos and constant arguing. They disbanded after two final performances at London’s Royal Albert Hall on 26 November 1968.
Following Cream's break-up, Clapton founded Blind Faith – rock's first "supergroup" – with Steve Winwood, Ginger Baker, and Rick Grech. Disbanding after one album and a disastrous American tour, Clapton tried to hide from his growing fame by touring as a sideman with Delaney & Bonnie & Friends. While with this outfit, Clapton was encouraged to sing and he began composing more. A live album from that tour was released in 1970. Clapton's self-titled debut was also released that year. In the summer of 1970, he formed Derek and the Dominos with members from Delaney & Bonnie's band. The Dominos would go on to record the seminal rock album, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs. A concept album, its theme revolved around Clapton's unrequited love for George Harrison's wife, Pattie. The band would drift apart following an American tour and a failed attempt at recording a second album.
Hit hard by the break up of The Dominos, the commercial failure of the Layla album and his unrequited love, Clapton sunk into three years of heroin addiction. Although he rarely emerged from his Surrey Estate, he filled box upon box with tapes of songs. Clapton kicked his drug addiction and re-launched his career in January 1973 with two concerts at London's Rainbow Theater organized by his friend, Pete Townshend (The Who). The concerts represented a turning point in his career. In 1974, he reappeared with a new style and sound with 461 Ocean Boulevard. He became an assured vocalist and composer in addition to a guitar hero.
With each album after 461 Ocean Boulevard, Clapton reinvented himself musically. In 1985, Clapton found a new audience following his performance at the worldwide charity concert, Live Aid. In the last years of that decade, he carved out a second career as the composer of film scores. Annual stands at the Royal Albert Hall and successful albums like August, Journeyman and the Crossroads box set kept him well in the public mind. His career went from strength to strength and reached new heights in 1992 with the release of Unplugged and the Grammy winning single, “Tears In Heaven.” Clapton returned to his blues roots with the 1994 release From The Cradle. The album was Clapton's tribute to his musical heroes and contained cover versions of Blues classics. The year 1997 brought an excursion into electronica with the release of TDF / Retail Therapy with Clapton posing as X-Sample. In 1998, he released the soul-influenced Pilgrim, his first album of all new material in nine years. In 2000, he continued his love affair with the blues when he recorded an album with American blues legend, B.B. King. “Riding With The King” was released in June and within three weeks of release, was certified gold. Shortly thereafter, Clapton was back in the studio recording his next solo project. Reptile was released in March 2001. In late 2002, he began work on a new album. A release date has not yet been announced.
Eric Clapton is the only triple inductee into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame (as a member of both the Yardbirds and Cream and as a solo artist). He has also won or shared in seventeen Grammy Awards.
Clapton has contributed to numerous artists’ albums over the decades. The most well known session occurred in September 1968, when he added guitar to George Harrison’s composition, “While My Guitar Gently Weeps.” It is on the album, The Beatles (best known as the “White Album”). He can also be heard on albums by Aretha Franklin, Steven Stills, Bob Dylan, Plastic Ono Band (John Lennon and Yoko Ono), Ringo Starr and Roger Waters.
In the mid-70s, Clapton replaced his heroin addiction with an addiction to alcohol. Into the 80s, his life and studio work suffered because of it. In January 1982, he entered the Hazelden Foundation, a rehabilitation facility for alcoholics. He did backslide, but has been sober since 1987 through membership in Alcoholics Anonymous. In February of 1998, Clapton announced the opening of Crossroads Centre, a rehabilitation facility for drug and alcohol abuse in Antigua. One of its founding principles is to provide subsidized care for some of the poorest people of the Caribbean who can not afford to enter such a facility on their own. A foundation was established to provide this much-needed care. On 24 June 1999, Clapton auctioned 100 of his guitars, including "Brownie" (the guitar on which he recorded "Layla"), at Christie's Auction House / New York. The sale netted almost $5 million (US) for the foundation. On 30 June 1999, Clapton hosted a concert to benefit the Centre at New York City's Madison Square Garden. Proceeds from its airing on America's VH1 and DVD and video sales benefited the Centre.
Clapton is married. He and his second wife, Melia, have two daughters - Julie Rose (b. June 2001) and Ella Mae (b. January 2003). His eldest child is Ruth (b. January 1985). On 20 March 1991, his son Conor (b. 15 August 1986) fell to his death from his mother's Manhattan high-rise apartment. Clapton's grief would be expressed in the song "Tears In Heaven", which would bring him worldwide accolades and a legion of new fans, following its release on the soundtrack album Rush and its subsequent live rendering on Unplugged. In 1978, he married his first wife, Patti Boyd Harrison. They divorced in the late 1980s.
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Born and raised in the UK, as well as began his musical career there.
Your point on Lars Ulrich doesn't make any sense to me, but I took a lot of cold medicine today so perhaps you can explain further. He has that strong Dutch accent because he's... Dutch. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Everyone's heritage derives from elsewhere if you go back far enough, so your point is not particularly meaningful to me.
Now would someone please comment on my previous real point and get us back on topic and out of Biography on A&E? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes? The fact that USA is a pot mixed with cultures from all the other countries doesn't mean that a guy from Denmark is american. You kinda lost me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: Or are you trying to say that none of the people in USA are actually americans, but actually european/african/asian? I don't think Washington and Jefferson would like that <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-MonsE+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsE)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Too bad Eric Clapton is English and Metallica's drummer is Dutch...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you forgot that Kurt Cobain couldn't play guitar for crap, so Nirvana doesn't belong in that list either(if it's supposed to be a list of talented USAmerican musicians/bands)
Neither does Bob Dylan. Elvis 4evah!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Are you also saying that all of Europe's forced 'culturization' (due to centuries of warfare and colonisation) were more or less destructive? If I have to choose, I take being given the option to listen to Britney Spears (or not) versus say, Australia's 'Stolen Generation' of aboriginies, or South Africa's appartheid, or India's complete rape and ownership by Britain, for example.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Aren't those just great examples of when european culture shouldn't have been spread around? I'm not quite sure what kind of case you are trying to build <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> If you think forcing culture to others is bad, you are debating against yourself, as you just proved, it's not a nice thing to do.
Though it's not like USA is forcing its culture in the same way as imperialistic Europe(well, few McDonalds in Afghanistan won't do that yet).
That's what I was trying to say (badly). Dread to the rescue! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
That's what I was trying to say (badly). Dread to the rescue! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well unless were changing the topic to Emperical Imperialism vs. Natural Cultural Progression were still talking specifically about legislation forcing radio and TV to play national products.
My argument is that American music and TV is just marketed better and appeals to a wider audience, since the US is composed of many ethnic groups. And that saying their needs to be regulation in other countries is like saying in the US every radio and TV station must play 2 hours of Indie music/shows a day.
PS Kurt Cobain was a lyrcist and poet, much like John Lennon and Jim Morrison, maybe you should curb your opionism just a tad. Ie. in my opinion because Kurt couldn't play the guitar worth **** he doesn't belong on the list, but since it's your list dr.d you make the final choice....and you also should be on that list cause you rock.
I can't state anyone elses opinions but my own, so pretend I had a huge IMO in front of my statement.
Does it look any better?
And I guess it wasn't a list of talented musicians like I assumed, but a list of dead poetists. Where's Edgar?
Rock on, talented poetists who can't make lyrics without resorting to 'yeah yeah yeah'(referring to Cobain) Though, let me guess, he's a susceptible artist? We need to understand him, right?
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Edit: And to say something ontopic:
Finland has been influenced heavily by several countries ramming over our lands, and we still have our heritage and culture. We have a huge amount of foreign music and movies, and yet we are doing just fine. What's so awfull about changing anyway? You think the cultures you are trying to protect, haven't already been changed in to something totally different than what they were 1000 years ago? 60 years from now on, you are fiercely fighting to keep your, then obviously, americanized culture from something else, maybe an asian culture-boom?
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