What Will I Take For Ultimate World Peace?
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Join Date: 2004-02-10 Member: 26353Members
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Then there is the Democratic Peace, an observation that two true democracies don't go to war with each other. It's been proven and its causes have been debated.
As for intranational conflict (ethinc/civil wars), well that's a whole other story.
-calldown
AKA: when all humans are dead and rotting.
AKA: when all humans are dead and rotting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Beat me to it.
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Yeah I'd have to agree. Humans are inherently self-destructive, even if you eliminate the need for resources (a common justification for war) we'll just find pettier things to kill eachother over.
But that'd be awfully boring, no conflicts whatsoever.
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I'm sure we'd still find something to fight over. Hell, the christians(for instance, any religion could do it), or whatever perverted evolution of them exists at the time, might decide to go on a forced conversion spree. Human greed knows no bounds, nothing is ever enough.
Please elaborate on how the dominant species on the planet which is growing in population is "inherently self-destructive".
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Firsly , we aren't the "dominant specie" , bacteria are <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Secondly , our stock of nukes , able to make the whole surface of this planet sterile for millenia kind of proves how self-destructive we can be. Nuclear weapons have no use whatsoever , other than annihilating a large part of humankind.
Religion has been holding back the human race and causing us to fight each other since modern man came into existance. Obviously just banning religion isnt the answer, but I beleive world peace (on a global scale) would be acheived if every human on earth would decide for themselves that there are no gods, and drop their religious beleifs.
Religion has been holding back the human race and causing us to fight each other since modern man came into existance. Obviously just banning religion isnt the answer, but I beleive world peace (on a global scale) would be acheived if every human on earth would decide for themselves that there are no gods, and drop their religious beleifs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think the elimination of religion would be nessesary, people would just have to realise that their religion may not be the right one and stop treating people differently because of their religious beliefs. Of course, since humans generally hate to be wrong, this will never happen.
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Yeah, theres that too.
Secondly , our stock of nukes , able to make the whole surface of this planet sterile for millenia kind of proves how self-destructive we can be. Nuclear weapons have no use whatsoever , other than annihilating a large part of humankind.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Potential for self-destruction is not the same as the action of self-destruction. Most organism are able to effect their own death and thus have the "potential" to eliminate the species by self-destructing. Yet we do not call them self-destructive because they do not use the potential. Thus, humans are, on average, not self-destructive because they are not effecting a general decline in their own population.
Religion has been holding back the human race and causing us to fight each other since modern man came into existance. Obviously just banning religion isnt the answer, but I beleive world peace (on a global scale) would be acheived if every human on earth would decide for themselves that there are no gods, and drop their religious beleifs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And another brilliant forum post strikes a telling blow for ignorance. How many times must I debunk this "religion starts wars" fraud before you people stop regurgiating this unmigitated tripe.
Religion is very very rarely the main and only cause of a war. Religion is frequently the justifier, and a great recruitment tool, but rarely the purpetrator. In just about every war ever fought, there has been one constant
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51695&hl=economics' target='_blank'>Are there any wars NOT caused by economics?</a>
I would suggest you peruse the above thread. In it, Monse challenged the forum community to find one war that didnt have economics as its prime motivator. To date, no one has found one. Now when you have a constant like economics running through every single damn war in history, I find it incredibly annoying that rather than pinpointing HUMAN GREED as the cause of war, certain people try to scapegoat religion. Greedy, power hungry people have been holding back the human race and causing us to fight since modern man came into existance. Simply because some of them happened to be religious does not give you the right to blame religion.
Cue insanely easily dealt with question about crusades/northern ireland....
This man clearly isnt a religious supporter, but he comes to the logical conclusion that its not the religion itself thats doing it, its the people.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As an example, there are many extremely racist people who call themselves Christians. Most people would say that to persecute someone because of the amount of pigment in their skin is not quite in line with Jesus' message. The racists would reply that they believe it is, and would produce a long list of scripture interpretations to support their views. If they had no religion, these people would probably still do the same thing but would have to find a different way to justify their actions.
But is it that simple? One problem is that religion is often inherited - you grow up following the same religion as your parents (if your parents are Christian, it is highly unlikely that you would be Muslim and your sister Hindu). Children often grow up and adopt radically different views on many other subjects, but the religion is right there at the start and it sinks in at an early age - few parents teach their three-year-olds about conservatism and socialism, but they will take them along to church every Sunday. Religions usually encourage parents to raise their children as followers of that religion. Few other types of belief or philosophy (e.g. politics) do this.
Religion is not necessarily directly responsible for racism. It is hard to imagine anyone reading the Bible and suddenly concluding that whites are superior to blacks. If a person is a bigot already they will use their religion as one more excuse to oppress people. The problem is that this same religion will also encourage them to impose those beliefs on their children, raising them as bigots and making them think that God is on their side and that scripture supports this view.
They would very likely impose these views on their children anyway, simply by raising them in a racist environment. However, the use (or abuse) of religion can actively reinforce these views and help to nationalize them and propagate them down through the generations.
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-calldown
Religion has been holding back the human race and causing us to fight each other since modern man came into existance. Obviously just banning religion isnt the answer, but I beleive world peace (on a global scale) would be acheived if every human on earth would decide for themselves that there are no gods, and drop their religious beleifs.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> falls short is that it requires that people are forced to belive something. For the porpouses of human belife system, truth is relitive, and if we force people to belive ANYTHING, then sooner or later someone will rebel, and we will have a renewed perpatration of war.
- Plato
When humans are gone.