[req] Intigrated Weapons

digz · April 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">just ideas</div> I was looking at the model of the HA, and thought to myself "why isn't there a gun that is integrated into the armor?" Instead of the typical trigger/grip, why not have an HMG integrated into the arm (you dont see the hand, just an "arm gun"), with the other hand supporting/clicking/high fiving... for switching to a knife or pistol, you could have those integrated as well (arm gun just changes... knife pops out, or pistol replaces HMG).

Dunno, just thoughts.

Rhodri · April 2004

yeah this is a pretty sweet idea, but could be quite complicated. i think that the left hand would need to be used for pistol, knife, grenade, welder etc with just the primary weapon build into the ha

frostymoose · April 2004

this might be very hard....

Badly_bROWNED · April 2004

So what would happen to the p models when theres a heavy around? Can u make em disspear or somthing?

Drfuzzy · April 2004

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This is where the problem came in with the MALICE and mech ideas. If you get "rid" of the p and w, you wont see anything on the light marine except him pointing his hand looking rather dumb.

Plus this isint a good idea cause if you have a "all in one" hand for the HA, the ha would be carrying all the guns, making it kinda seem dumb.

Obst · April 2004

That's why you ahve to change the <i>player model</i> , not the p_model of the gun. Everything u can do with a p_model can be done with the player model, and even more. Just hide all guns inside the body of the player model and "pull them out" in the animation accoring to the model.

Jaeger · April 2004

Problem with that is clipping. Unless the marine is standing ram-rod straight, you're gonna see the gun.

Case in point: Decompile a marine, then the LMG. Place the LMG inside the marine, make sure the scale is the same as in-game. You're gonna end up with a ****-off marine with a magazine sticking through his chest. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Jean_Luc_Picard · April 2004

How about... erm....

new gun models?

How would reloads be done?

botchiball · April 2004

lol, Hide a gun inside the player model? No guys, you either make the p_weapon model always be attached (which is in the coding), or you make it a part of the actual heavy marine player model and have them not hold a weapon when they are using the "attached" gun. If someone is actually going to do this, I strongly suggest that you put the attached gun in the left hand so you don't have to re-do all knife, pistol, etc. animations. Though you will because of reloding the pistol or pulling the pin from nades. How would you reload a pistol with only one hand anyway?

Obst · April 2004

Botchi?
The "hide inside player thing" is needed because we got a LA and a HA model, and doing it via the p_model for one of them would most certainly mess it up for the other one. That's what we were talking about o.0

5ive · April 2004

you guys are silly and overcomplicating the matter

here's how you do it.

step 1. make your heavy armor guy
step 2. put the desired p_ view models you want UNDERNEATH the heavy. below ground level. way below. why below? because if you put them insdie, you get clipping. if you put them not below, you'll see them when they go up a ladder.

step 3. the various guns are assigned to bones. the animations have weapon-specific names. hmg_look or whatever will pull the bone designated to the hmg model you want straight up where the arm is in one frame. bam! it's there.

step 4. set the animations with the given boned gun and you're set.

only problem: polycount. high detail p models done this way are out of the question.

i win

Jaeger · April 2004

Put them too low and the model's gonna stretch below the floor of the map and crash HL.

That may work in some cases, but not in areas like Viaduct, The Pit, and far too many others.

We've already tread over this before and to my knowledge there hasn't been an answer yet. (I have a concept, but none of my ideas have yet been realized) IIRC, Daphisto pretty much figured out a way around it, but he hasn't been on the forums since forever.

Obst · April 2004

Or try it like this: Just remove the bone where the p_model is assigned to from the desired model, so it won't show up. Dunno if this worx, but it may be possible that way.

Mr_Headcrab · April 2004

Working on it....

Jean_Luc_Picard · April 2004

WHy not... simply make transparent p_models <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

Or use a null texture?

or this

or that/

I don't get it... hell, why not just REMOVE it all together?

Make a separate p_model for LA/JP and HA?

Chubbieboi · April 2004

lol this thread is going nutz...ppl are all about ready to pop <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Mr_Headcrab · April 2004

just countersink the p_model into the normal model for a "Grappeled" look, or set the attachment for the p_model a far **** away from the normal origins, somthing like 10000 10000 10000 in relation to the rest of the model

solcott · April 2004

the only way i could see a weapon working attached to the ha would be the knife attached to the arm in a fashion similar to the predators wristblades. the reason i think only the knife would work is because you always have the knife no matter what and you could do that by just adding a knife to the hand ofall of the heavy armour v models so you always see it.

digz · April 2004

lol, how bout just new gun models that "look" like they are attached to the arm (removing the hands from view) so it "seems" like when you pickup an hmg, you suddenly get a mechanical armgun regardless of marine model.

[req] Intigrated Weapons

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