<!--QuoteBegin--Skrift+Oct. 18 2002,00:35--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Skrift @ Oct. 18 2002,00:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well... good! OK, now I can brag about my card. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
(overclocked) GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64mb
I know there´s not really anything to brag about but I still have nightmares of the time when I used to have a Geforce 2 MX/MX 400. *shudders*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> don't know what your problem is i have that GF2 MX 400 and it runs everything fine and dandy. Even if it is a temporary replacement for my crappy PowerVR Kyro II that hates WorldCraft. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Skrift+Oct. 18 2002,00:35--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Skrift @ Oct. 18 2002,00:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well... good! OK, now I can brag about my card. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
(overclocked) GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64mb<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i got the same dealie, what brand are you using and what did you overclock it to? i got an msi(the purdy red one). i got my mem to 540, and core to 261, up from Core Clock 250MHz, Memory Clock 500MHz
im usin no special cooling and i can prob get it higher, but i actually start seeing a performance decrease any higher <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->
Necro<insert non-birthday-related title here>Join Date: 2002-08-09Member: 1118Members
to add to this overclock(y)ness, i oc'ed my gf4ti4400 to gf4ti4600 speed <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Woggy+Oct. 18 2002,03:04--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Woggy @ Oct. 18 2002,03:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Isnt that a GOOD THING? If people are too stupid to know theyve got a 3D accelerator, I DONT WANT EM TO PLAY. I think software should be gotten completely rid off. if 99.9% of CS n00bs use software, good bye to them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, because obviously if they play CS, they are n00bs who use software mode. Really, just because you hate the game, do not insult the inteligence of those people that do play it. You do NOT come across looking any smarter.
You would think if the users are that confused, that there would be more "TFC n00bs" who play in software mode, since that game is included with the half-life patch and therefore, no extra stuff to install/screw up.
I honstly don't think that there are that many COMPLETELY computer illiterate people who game, are there? Kind of scary if there are....
A Geforce 4 mx is better than a Geforce 2 TI mainly because of the wider range of features and better dlls. Not to mention the card itself carries a pentium 3 and has 64mb which isn't too bad. But of course the GeForce 4 TI 4800 is the best unless compared to ATI Radeon 9800 which is like amazing and costs 400 bucks. I guess it's worth it cause it's like the last card you'll need to buy for the rest of your life. But yeah whatever cards are good games are good, put them together and you get great stuff. Man this cookie tastes like pudding, hmmm... If cookie tastes like pudding then kestle = pudding?
<!--QuoteBegin--D_6969+Oct. 18 2002,17:05--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (D_6969 @ Oct. 18 2002,17:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->A Geforce 4 mx is better than a Geforce 2 TI mainly because of the wider range of features and better dlls. Not to mention the card itself carries a pentium 3 and has 64mb which isn't too bad. But of course the GeForce 4 TI 4800 is the best unless compared to ATI Radeon 9800 which is like amazing and costs 400 bucks. I guess it's worth it cause it's like the last card you'll need to buy for the rest of your life. But yeah whatever cards are good games are good, put them together and you get great stuff. Man this cookie tastes like pudding, hmmm... If cookie tastes like pudding then kestle = pudding?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It does NOT carry a pentium 3. The clock speed is SIMILAR, but it is not an intel-based processor.
And on a sidenote, since we seem to have gone into a GA dabate here, the Radeon 8500 (especially higher versions) are better than a GeForce 3, but not by huge amounts. The 9000 (which is new and $130) is slightly faster than the GeForce 4. And finally, though I doubt many people have the money, the 9700 under the most strenuous conditions is TWICE as fast as the GeForce 4 as well as being extremely programable with tons of features. o.O (Such as DX9 support and floating pixel architechture.)
Oh, and what I mean by the most strenuous conditions is that most of the time it's only slightly faster because often it's memory or processor speed that determines how fast a graphics card can display things. But when it's doing something that uses the graphics card (antialiasing for example) that's when it shines.
(I'd love to get my hands on one of those.) And yes: 9700, not 800.
Oh, and: <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--> the last card you'll need to buy for the rest of your life <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nah, but quite a few years, yes. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Arg... I have an e-machine(yes. I know Im stupid)...
I dont know what I am running CS right now on, I guess I will go check, but you can not upgrade the video cards of e-machines... hopefully my default card can run this.
*edit. ok, im running CS in Open GL at 640x480. I should be able to run NS then right?*
I use direct 3d cause I messed up OpenGl somehow and it doesn't work for some programs. Well if a Geforce 4 doesn't carry a pentium 3, then why do the chips say pentium 3 and everytime it starts up it says pentium 3? And hey I don't plan to be playing video games my WHOLE life (most of it) so that's why a card like the ATI 9700 (yeah I always say 9800 I don't like 7) would last me the rest of my life. Especially since it'll be a loooooong time before anyone comes up with a game that pushes that card to it's max. The best looking game I've seen is Morrowind 3. The graphics in that game are very good. Well that ends my rant.
We're with ya on this decision flayra! I sincerely hope though that software mode will be a major priority for you guys in the next version b/c my brother who desperately wants to play has an old laptop w\o an accelerator and he cant get one for it b/c of its age. So keep up and good work!
Necro<insert non-birthday-related title here>Join Date: 2002-08-09Member: 1118Members
a lot of people now have 3d cards, even if they don't, you can get a cheap for well...cheap <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
i'm sure 97% of you would agree that you'd rather have the release sooner than wait for software mode (plus us 3dcard'ers would be angry with software'rs cause of it D:)
DruBoBack In BeigeJoin Date: 2002-02-06Member: 172Members, NS1 Playtester
I have three (3) 3dlabs Permedia2 cards that I'd be willing to send, (mostly)free of charge, to U.S. or Canada dwellers who pay for postage. It's an old card, but it's very capable of playing HL games in OpenGL at 640x480 or 800x600, depending on processor power.
I also have a Compaq OEM TNT2 that only works in p2/p3-era Presario computers, and a PCI Trident3d card. I charge $10 extra for the TNT2 and don't guarantee any functionality whatsoever.
Da_SargeOld School SuckJoin Date: 2002-10-15Member: 1502Members
Well...I dont think this forum is really intended for selling off your stuff....maybe in the off topic forum, but even that is pushing it. But any ways....so long as you dont have a comp older than oh.....3 years, I think you should be able to play NS without too much difficulty.
Da_SargeOld School SuckJoin Date: 2002-10-15Member: 1502Members
Hey, in no way am I critizing him, I am just saying that this isn't the best place to do it. More power to him if he wants to give out video cards, hell I got a crappy one myself, but like I mentioned before, he could find someplace better to mention this kind of stuff.
DruBoBack In BeigeJoin Date: 2002-02-06Member: 172Members, NS1 Playtester
Judge not....
Listen, bud, you can knock me all you want, but until I see a reprimand from one of the mods, I'm going to continue to post about what I want, where I want to. Besides, it's completely on-topic.
I'd also like to point out that I've been here way longer than you have and therefore know the board's culture a lot better. If it came down to your opinion vs. mine about where I should offer to give away free stuff, I'd win.
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Personally, if I didn't have a video card I'd be very happy of DB's post. He *could* put it in off-topic, but it'd be overwhelmed and lost in the spam in there. Instead, he chose to put it in a completely relevant topic - this topic *will* be read by people who (a) don't have video cards, and (b) may be looking for a cheap one. GG, DB!
Da_SargeOld School SuckJoin Date: 2002-10-15Member: 1502Members
Alright....fine if it is fine with a PT, it is fine with me. I just figured there could have been a better place for it, but I suppose I am wrong. Well, I hope you find some people who want those cards.
TNT2 == just below entry Voodoo5 == just below entry; more powerful than tnt2 GF2mx200 == entry Radeon7000 == entry Radeon7500 == entry GF2mx400 == entry level Radeon8500LE == above entry level GF2ti??? == above entry Radeon8500 == crazy drivers, bad reputation. mid-range GF3ti200 == upper mid-range Radeon9000 == upper mid-range; equal to GF3ti200 GF4 ti4200 == upper mid-range GF3ti500 == upper range GF4ti4400 == high-end range GF4ti4600 == higher-end range Radeon9700 == SO-POWERFUL-IT'S-EVIL-range NV30(GF5?) == ?Probably better than Radeon9700
at least, from my understanding. listed from least to most powerful.
I own a TNT2(old, cheap; non-agp; for my old computer), a GF2mx400 64mb(sortof old, runs everything I need it to(although not neccessarily well); for my 2yr old computer), a GF3ti200 128mb(almost recent; pretty fast), and a GF4mx440 64mb(goddamned piece of crap in my laptop. not too slow for my needs, but I'd prefer a 9000).
I am open to correction if anyone can prove me wrong.
Bleh, since we're least informed about the Radeon 9000 here is a nice page to compare things: <a href="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzI4" target="_blank">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzI4</a> Or there is a purty graphic showing benchmarks of a wider range of the better cards here: <a href="http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q3/0207181/images/image005.gif" target="_blank">Here!</a>
Edit: So the summary of the stuff I found (though the naming is particularly confusing with the higher numbers usually being significantly better than their predecessors) is that the 9000 is /slightly/ worse than the 8500.
It's also slightly cheaper. (Though there is ONE DX mode that makes it much faster than other cards)
And of course the 9700 is the evil <b>demon</b> it should be. It is red after all...
Okay, okay, for those of you that DONT know the specs yet: <a href="http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/radeon9700pro(2).shtml" target="_blank">http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/radeon9700pro(2).shtml</a> Be sure to cover somebody's eyes when you get to the benchmarks.
(And FYI I think the basic (lowest memory) 8500 is actually better than some GF4s and worse than others.)
<!--QuoteBegin--Silarn+Oct. 18 2002,19:01--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Silarn @ Oct. 18 2002,19:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->And on a sidenote, since we seem to have gone into a GA dabate here, the Radeon 8500 (especially higher versions) are better than a GeForce 3, but not by huge amounts. The 9000 (which is new and $130) is slightly faster than the GeForce 4. And finally, though I doubt many people have the money, the 9700 under the most strenuous conditions is TWICE as fast as the GeForce 4 as well as being extremely programable with tons of features. o.O (Such as DX9 support and floating pixel architechture.)
Oh, and what I mean by the most strenuous conditions is that most of the time it's only slightly faster because often it's memory or processor speed that determines how fast a graphics card can display things. But when it's doing something that uses the graphics card (antialiasing for example) that's when it shines.
(I'd love to get my hands on one of those.) And yes: 9700, not 800.
Oh, and: <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--> the last card you'll need to buy for the rest of your life <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nah, but quite a few years, yes. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No the Geforce4>Radeon 9000. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
My Radeon 9000 Pro 128 MB for $88 will perform wonders on my AMD 2200+ system (102G HDD, 512MB PC 2700, USB 2.0, WinXP Pro, and 5 of 9 possible case fans with RoadRunner cable moden service) that I built for <$1000.
/me grins happily as I walk by Dell dealer in mall selling 2Ghz Pentium 4, 40g HDD, and 256 MB Ram and AOL dial-up for $1500+ <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
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(overclocked) GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64mb
I know there´s not really anything to brag about but I still have nightmares of the time when I used to have a Geforce 2 MX/MX 400. *shudders*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
don't know what your problem is i have that GF2 MX 400 and it runs everything fine and dandy. Even if it is a temporary replacement for my crappy PowerVR Kyro II that hates WorldCraft. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
(overclocked) GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64mb<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i got the same dealie, what brand are you using and what did you overclock it to? i got an msi(the purdy red one). i got my mem to 540, and core to 261, up from Core Clock 250MHz,
Memory Clock 500MHz
im usin no special cooling and i can prob get it higher, but i actually start seeing a performance decrease any higher <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->
I think software should be gotten completely rid off. if 99.9% of CS n00bs use software, good bye to them.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, because obviously if they play CS, they are n00bs who use software mode. Really, just because you hate the game, do not insult the inteligence of those people that do play it. You do NOT come across looking any smarter.
You would think if the users are that confused, that there would be more "TFC n00bs" who play in software mode, since that game is included with the half-life patch and therefore, no extra stuff to install/screw up.
I honstly don't think that there are that many COMPLETELY computer illiterate people who game, are there? Kind of scary if there are....
It does NOT carry a pentium 3. The clock speed is SIMILAR, but it is not an intel-based processor.
Oh, and what I mean by the most strenuous conditions is that most of the time it's only slightly faster because often it's memory or processor speed that determines how fast a graphics card can display things. But when it's doing something that uses the graphics card (antialiasing for example) that's when it shines.
(I'd love to get my hands on one of those.) And yes: 9700, not 800.
Oh, and:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->
the last card you'll need to buy for the rest of your life
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nah, but quite a few years, yes. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
I dont know what I am running CS right now on, I guess I will go check, but you can not upgrade the video cards of e-machines... hopefully my default card can run this.
*edit. ok, im running CS in Open GL at 640x480. I should be able to run NS then right?*
Yeah, mine was around $140.
i'm sure 97% of you would agree that you'd rather have the release sooner than wait for software mode (plus us 3dcard'ers would be angry with software'rs cause of it D:)
I also have a Compaq OEM TNT2 that only works in p2/p3-era Presario computers, and a PCI Trident3d card. I charge $10 extra for the TNT2 and don't guarantee any functionality whatsoever.
PM me for details.
Listen, bud, you can knock me all you want, but until I see a reprimand from one of the mods, I'm going to continue to post about what I want, where I want to. Besides, it's completely on-topic.
I'd also like to point out that I've been here way longer than you have and therefore know the board's culture a lot better. If it came down to your opinion vs. mine about where I should offer to give away free stuff, I'd win.
Voodoo5 == just below entry; more powerful than tnt2
GF2mx200 == entry
Radeon7000 == entry
Radeon7500 == entry
GF2mx400 == entry level
Radeon8500LE == above entry level
GF2ti??? == above entry
Radeon8500 == crazy drivers, bad reputation. mid-range
GF3ti200 == upper mid-range
Radeon9000 == upper mid-range; equal to GF3ti200
GF4 ti4200 == upper mid-range
GF3ti500 == upper range
GF4ti4400 == high-end range
GF4ti4600 == higher-end range
Radeon9700 == SO-POWERFUL-IT'S-EVIL-range
NV30(GF5?) == ?Probably better than Radeon9700
at least, from my understanding. listed from least to most powerful.
I own a TNT2(old, cheap; non-agp; for my old computer), a GF2mx400 64mb(sortof old, runs everything I need it to(although not neccessarily well); for my 2yr old computer), a GF3ti200 128mb(almost recent; pretty fast), and a GF4mx440 64mb(goddamned piece of crap in my laptop. not too slow for my needs, but I'd prefer a 9000).
I am open to correction if anyone can prove me wrong.
jh
<a href="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzI4" target="_blank">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzI4</a>
Or there is a purty graphic showing benchmarks of a wider range of the better cards here:
<a href="http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q3/0207181/images/image005.gif" target="_blank">Here!</a>
Edit:
So the summary of the stuff I found (though the naming is particularly confusing with the higher numbers usually being significantly better than their predecessors) is that the 9000 is /slightly/ worse than the 8500.
It's also slightly cheaper. (Though there is ONE DX mode that makes it much faster than other cards)
And of course the 9700 is the evil <b>demon</b> it should be. It is red after all...
Okay, okay, for those of you that DONT know the specs yet:
<a href="http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/radeon9700pro(2).shtml" target="_blank">http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/radeon9700pro(2).shtml</a>
Be sure to cover somebody's eyes when you get to the benchmarks.
(And FYI I think the basic (lowest memory) 8500 is actually better than some GF4s and worse than others.)
And you can´t stop me!
Oh, and what I mean by the most strenuous conditions is that most of the time it's only slightly faster because often it's memory or processor speed that determines how fast a graphics card can display things. But when it's doing something that uses the graphics card (antialiasing for example) that's when it shines.
(I'd love to get my hands on one of those.) And yes: 9700, not 800.
Oh, and:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->
the last card you'll need to buy for the rest of your life
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nah, but quite a few years, yes. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No the Geforce4>Radeon 9000. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
<a href="http://www.guru3d.com/review/aopen/aeolus-ti4200s/index7.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.guru3d.com/review/aopen/aeolus-ti4200s/index7.shtml</a>
/me grins happily as I walk by Dell dealer in mall selling 2Ghz Pentium 4, 40g HDD, and 256 MB Ram and AOL dial-up for $1500+ <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
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