There Is A Whole Lot Of Ns Hate Going Around

GaidinTSGaidinTS Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19319Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">What gives</div> <rant>I was just looking at the forums as a whole and it's just one ns hate topic after another. Why? Do you guys not love the game anymore. Do you not play it anymore? I think the game is amazing, and more action packed and strategically oriented than most games out today. I just wanted to take the time to let the devs know they are doing an awesome job. They've got a great game on their hands.

There are some issues that need to be resolved, but they will be resolved eventually. The developers have a better idea of what needs to be resolved than we as common gamers do. They've had to deal with this build for a whole lot longer than we have. Opinions I'm sure are welcome, but bashing the game that I know you guys still play even though there are balance issues will not solve anything. </rant>

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  • NikonNikon Join Date: 2003-09-29 Member: 21313Members, Constellation
    What you are seeing is alot of people who have been around since the start, or near it. The game itself has changed drastically, and some people dont like it. They will adapt, or leave. I personally still love this game. Yes, some changes I think are not as good as others, some things I wish hadnt changed, but I had these same feelings when 2.0 came out, and a while later, ALOT of the bugs were fixed. It is far too soon after a new patch release to be complaining about the game as far as im concerned. This is a BETA, and I think some people forget that. Personally, I would suggest you take the harsh, and sometimes undue critisizm, and put it aside. You seem to love the game and thats great, dont let others complaints ruin your time. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Umbraed_MonkeyUmbraed_Monkey Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9922Members
    edited April 2004
    What you are seeing is 'passion'.

    <!--QuoteBegin-nsbash+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nsbash)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><BOZO^> dude....how do you set the mood for nailing you wife by playing NS?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    edit: for clarification, I mean that people here are just a bit passionate towards the game. They really really dont want it to go bad.
  • WolvWolv Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 56Members
    Ehm, I've been around for some time and would say that it's more a change in forum behaviour then anything else.
    The "newest patch/beta bashing" has been around since the beginning. With every change, there will be people that dislike it and feel the need to share those feelings with the rest of the community. As the community grew and "tight knit community" feeling faded, these voices became more dominant.
  • Nathanael_UKNathanael_UK Join Date: 2003-10-18 Member: 21761Members
    I think most of it is they saw something they liked in past versions and just want to say what it was. I would say a good portion of people posting about past versions are aliens, because of the hitpoint weakness of aliens atm for example.
  • RedcapRedcap Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14457Members
    If I hadn't loved earlier versions of the game so much, I wouldn't complain so much about the state it's in now. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    Aye some of us have been around a long time and have seen NS develop and change into something else, the addition of combat for one i hate. The addition of 1 hit kill weaponary into NS is also another thing i hate (Focus/Devour).

    I still play the game tho because its still fun even in its current state as a beta, i also want to see the game continue to develop into something bigger and better.
  • EEKEEK Join Date: 2004-02-25 Member: 26898Banned
    Another thing is the distance from the developers now. Remember when Flayra would personally comment in idea threads?
  • napinapi Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14172Members, Constellation
    every beta release splits the community 3 ways;

    people who love it

    people who hate it

    people who don't care

    sadly it's the people who hate it who take it upon themselves to rant on the forums. the people who love it show their appreciation by playing the game, telling the whingers to shup up, and offering constructive ideas on how to make the game better in their opinion

    the people who don't care are the ones that fill the servers
  • Act_ChillAct_Chill Join Date: 2003-04-24 Member: 15816Members
    Even after a patch is out forever not everyone is happy look in the ideals and suggestions.
  • WolvWolv Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 56Members
    Heh, I remember when Flayre personally welcomed me to the forums. Things sure changed since then, both gameplay and community wise. I guess it's only natural though and an inevitable part of the growth process.
  • AmagiusAmagius Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28022Members
    edited April 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Wolv+Apr 29 2004, 11:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wolv @ Apr 29 2004, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ehm, I've been around for some time and would say that it's more a change in forum behaviour then anything else.
    The "newest patch/beta bashing" has been around since the beginning. With every change, there will be people that dislike it and feel the need to share those feelings with the rest of the community. As the community grew and "tight knit community" feeling faded, these voices became more dominant. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    True, ( I personally hated the alien evolution at any time idea) but this is a larger amount of whining then I've seen in any update.

    EDIT: They didn't even edit all that much! (No offense intended)
    EDIT: With the growth of a game, the makers and all can't welcome everyone. (which is a sad thing) Such tight-knit things break with more people.
  • TSAYautja_CetanuTSAYautja_Cetanu Join Date: 2004-04-10 Member: 27825Members
    I haven't been whining much (haven't made much posts). But the reason why beta 4 is so bad for me, is not the changes, its the anti-climax.

    Currently I think focus skulks at lvl 2 in combat are too over powered

    And I thought there was a problem of spawn camping (I loved the spawn system in beta 1). However instead of those problems getting better. They have got worse!!!

    Spawn camping is crazy atm.
  • GalvatronGalvatron Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16857Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-[TSA]Yautja_Cetanu+Apr 29 2004, 05:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([TSA]Yautja_Cetanu @ Apr 29 2004, 05:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I haven't been whining much (haven't made much posts). But the reason why beta 4 is so bad for me, is not the changes, its the anti-climax.

    Currently I think focus skulks at lvl 2 in combat are too over powered

    And I thought there was a problem of spawn camping (I loved the spawn system in beta 1). However instead of those problems getting better. They have got worse!!!

    Spawn camping is crazy atm. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ROFL!!!!
    now <i>this</i> thread has tuned into a "what i don't like about ns" thread!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ROFL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


    i can't help it if i find this funny can i?
  • pieceofsoappieceofsoap Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9535Members, Constellation
    What happen?
    Flayra set us up the patch!
    all your forum are belong to h8!

    honestly, I am enjoying the new patch. At first, I absolutely hated the 1 spawn at a time combat system, and now, Im starting to see its good side. Other than that, I have loved all the changes made. Especially the removal of energy for flapping. Why are the forums filled with hate? Because players who like the patch dont go around saying "I love this patch!" They play the game, and enjoy. Whiners are just louder.
  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Go back and read the pre-release PT stories. Go read the posts from when this forum was new that described gameplay. The game has changed drastically and many people think for the worse. If the changes are so great, where are the hordes of new players? Would anyone disagree if I said that most of the new players are sticking almost exclusively to combat? NS is NOT an obscure mod--there's no excuse for lack of popularity other then people just don't enjoy it as much as [something else].
  • EvenFlowEvenFlow Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11046Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-shanks+Apr 29 2004, 02:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (shanks @ Apr 29 2004, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> every beta release splits the community 3 ways;

    people who love it

    people who hate it

    people who don't care

    sadly it's the people who hate it who take it upon themselves to rant on the forums. the people who love it show their appreciation by playing the game, telling the whingers to shup up, and offering constructive ideas on how to make the game better in their opinion

    the people who don't care are the ones that fill the servers <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think the problem this time is this :

    <b>Somewhat worse then beta 3 [ 150 ] [35.21%] </b>

    <b>Much worse then beta 3 [ 99 ] [23.24%] </b>

    I'm pretty sure that had polls been put up for previous Beta releases there would be alot less than 58% of the community unhappy, this was just a bad release. I do agree with you on the way people have addressed the problems, constructive idea's > whinging.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    There wasn't THAT much whining going around pre beta 3, it just so happens however that the new spawn system catches whiners like STEAM.

    It's a strange phenomenon indeed, for some reason when people play a free game they assume that the developers owe them something the next time changes start happening. I personally have nothing against hearing what people do/don't like in the game or what people would like to see changed, but thier comes a point where it stops being constructive criticizm for the better of the game, and just becomes petty eliteism.
  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Members
    I've been playing since 1.03 and there hasn't been one single change that I havn't ENJOYED (including the beta's) I'm not saying I agreed with every change, there are some I still dont agree with, but it's still fun, infact I think beta 4 is one of the most fun versions yet (well if your alien <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->).

    Learn to enjoy change weather good or bad <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • jugglerjuggler Join Date: 2003-10-20 Member: 21808Members
    edited April 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nathanael (UK)+Apr 29 2004, 01:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nathanael (UK) @ Apr 29 2004, 01:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would say a good portion of people posting about past versions are aliens, because of the hitpoint weakness of aliens atm for example.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think you've played WAY too much NS lately. Or is it just me? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> the aliens are taking over the Internet <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    edited out the extra quote
  • CEldinCEldin Join Date: 2002-09-16 Member: 1323Members
    I believe Wolv put it most succinctly with his first post on the topic. With a growing community there are more people, and are therefore more radical ideas and thoughts. So what you have is the ultra-mean people (hate to call them that, any other adjectives guys?) who are heard most because people debate with them so fiercly, whilst all the posts about how much people love NS are lost by the simple fact that the majority on the forums like it too, so dont respond.
  • StargurlStargurl Join Date: 2004-05-02 Member: 28390Members
    i love ns...i just don't like the people who play it <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BizZy_9mm_MessiahBizZy_9mm_Messiah Old School Member Join Date: 2003-07-25 Member: 18411Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Stargurl+May 2 2004, 03:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stargurl @ May 2 2004, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i love ns...i just don't like the people who play it <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Your ******* me right?
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Apr 29 2004, 05:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Apr 29 2004, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What you are seeing is 'passion'.

    <!--QuoteBegin-nsbash+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nsbash)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><BOZO^> dude....how do you set the mood for nailing you wife by playing NS?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    edit: for clarification, I mean that people here are just a bit passionate towards the game. They really really dont want it to go bad. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What Monkey said.

    Whether you've had any actual input or not, the fact is, this game has been the staple part of my online diet for some time. Now, I personally have never been involved in the development process, except to comment on the changes as they've occured. And it does become something quite dear to you. It was such a small thing, this game, but it's always felt it <b>belonged</b> to the community at the time.

    Now, as you watch it grow older and change and mature, you desperately want to steer it in the direction that in the end will make people say :

    "Holy crap, this kicks **** Joe!"

    And likewise, you desperately don't want the opposite. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> We may not agree with the changes, or each other (glances at some of the other 1.x people around) and likewise, yes by some, the 1.x newbies were invaders to 'their' space in turn. But in the end, we all want what's best.

    We just don't agree on what 'best' actually is. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    - Shockwave
  • SopsSops Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17894Members, Constellation
    well a lot of people started playing NS a long long time ago (I'd be one of them) and for us the game is starting to lose the hold it once had on us. and now with all the changes that have come to NS some of the old players are just blowing off steam that the good old days are gone forever
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Apr 29 2004, 11:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Apr 29 2004, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-nsbash+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nsbash)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><BOZO^> dude....how do you set the mood for nailing you wife by playing NS?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Go Gorgy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->




    I started hanging around this community nearly a year before the games first release. I don't remember what pointed me to the site, but I remember reading though the concept, and looking at some of the artwork (I don't think there was a workable version of the game yet, the Mappers build wasn't even released yet) and getting blown away.

    To be honest, it sounded far to good to be true. At times I never expected the mod to even get released, or if it did be no where near as good as it sounded.

    Glad it was <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • DuoTheGodOfDeathDuoTheGodOfDeath NY, Japan, Arizona, Florida Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19877Members
    Each version that comes out brings more fun. Enjoy it or not, hate it or not, you'll still play cause your addicted. Adapt or not your still gonna play it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I remember in the day when a new version would come out and I wasn't to happy about it. But as time went by I was like 'ahh this isnt so bad' People who complain just need to keep playing because adventually you'll enjoy it no matter what <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SiDSquishySiDSquishy Join Date: 2003-10-15 Member: 21704Members
    I think people don't like how long it takes to get good and the game isnt nearly as fun when you get killed repeatedly.

    The way the game works theres huge gaps inbetween skill levels.
  • DuoTheGodOfDeathDuoTheGodOfDeath NY, Japan, Arizona, Florida Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19877Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think people don't like how long it takes to get good and the game isnt nearly as fun when you get killed repeatedly.

    The way the game works theres huge gaps inbetween skill levels. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well thats why the help menu always says join marines if your new. Most likely anyone who is about to play this game has some type of FPS experience. Its just maybe they are too used to extremely slow movement from like CS. They arent used to skulks that BH as fast as a clerety even though they dont have it.

    Now yeah its not fun getting killed over and over. But from any standpoint we all have to suck at once. We wont play a new game and totally devistate everyone easily. I remember going onos for the first time and I had no clue what I was doing and just died.

    It just takes time and patience to get better. Some people might have a better learning curve than others. So its either adapt quick or just die constantly. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • lljkWhimsylljkWhimsy Join Date: 2003-04-25 Member: 15829Members
    I don't think the problem is "hate" so much as poeple being overly critical without tact. If no one commented on changes for better or for worse, than developers would have no motivation to do greater things.

    I find that the size of the NS Community has had some effect on how we interact with eachother; We're a bit more cynical, but this happens on large forums. Flayra doesn't seem to comment as much, but when you combine this with the sheer volume of posts to comment on, than it's not really any wonder why.

    If you ask me, I think B4 was coded the night before its release, kinda like half my homework was 'completed' when I was 16, but 4b has made a lot of improvments. I don't hate NS; On the contrary, I downloaded CS, which reaffirmed how much I hate that game and most of it's community, especially compared to NS. I won't stop poking some fun on the forums at NS, but I still like it more than any other available mod (Excluding UT's legendary 'strangelove' - That was the best mutator ever concieved).

    Well, I rambled a bit. I hope I made my three cents worth while <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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