There is a *mute* feature in this mod for several reasons, one being other players acting like asshats. Also, make sure your config file is read only for now on <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-digz+May 19 2004, 07:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (digz @ May 19 2004, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There is a *mute* feature in this mod for several reasons, one being other players acting like asshats. Also, make sure your config file is read only for now on <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Should the guy HAVE to mute half the server to enjoy the game? I would hope not. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As a matter of fact, I'm often enough muting everyone while playing. Experience shows that on servers with multiple people having voicechat, typing is the only safe way of transporting informations.
<!--QuoteBegin-John "Hawkeye" Higgens+May 19 2004, 04:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (John "Hawkeye" Higgens @ May 19 2004, 04:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (PS: Has anyone played codename gordon yet?) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I did, but this thing lags my keyboard/mouse like hell when entering situations where the guys fire.. I dunno what this could be, but friend of mine gets it (though a bit later, but he gets it) too.
I've become bitter in my old age(heh). I end up just muting everyone. In a game where sound matters so much, I can't afford to have people talking constantly.
edit: when people are actually talking over voicecom about the game, then I won't mute them.
There are always crappy servers out there. There are alot of mean people. Most of them reside in CS servers, but you get that attitude in NS sometimes too. I don't think this is a NS issue at all. I've encountered this too, but when I do, I quickly leave the server
Find a good server with nice admins and great regulars, or just take note of which servers to avoid! I think you might find the atmosphere on the OnE server (lerk jerky) more attractive. Freaks Unleashed is great as well. There are plenty of servers with good communities out there, but there are some with lousy ones as well.
It's sad to see that, that has been your experience with the ns community however I'm a newb and it seems my experience is completly different..
I first played ns back in the 1.04 days didn't really get into it, nor enjoy it prolly because at that tiem I was playing other games competitvely and had no interest (tribes 2)...anywho I downloaded the beta maybe 2 or 3 months ago and I didn't know what to expect..
I read the manual, read these forums, and then installed and joined a game..the frist thing I did when I was there before even joining the game was ask what team to join because I was a newbie, the admins forced me to marines (note this was a combat game, easier to learn some of the basics)..I played, did a lot of stupid stuff, died, and so on but I slowly learned and a few of the admins helped me out..
I kept playing and trying, jumping from server to server until I found one I was comfortable in, at the time still playing a lot of co but I started playing regular ns. I admit my first ns game sucked, and I didn't know where in the world to go but the comm helped me, waypointed everything etc. The key was to tell them ahead of time I was a newbie, I prefer all newbs do that, tell me there a newb and I'll help them...
I kept learning found new servers to play on, and people I enjoyed playing with and have enjoyed it since. I still learn stupid stuff not to do, eg oc stacking <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> but you get better..
andby better it doesn't mean you have to have a 12-2 kill/death ratio, it means understanding the principles of the game, knowing what to do, how to communicate. there have been ns games where I've gone 2-12 and guess what it didn't matter because instead of killing things I was killing res nodes etc <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
you have to understand the basics and know what to do when to do it, your definition of good should change, you don't have to be a vet, or a tester etc etc, you just have to understand and know how to play...
The only thing worse than noobs that don't know (or care) what they are doing, is rules-mongerers who think they know everything about the game and demand you play exactly like them and build everything in the exact right order in the exact right place so you can have an exact right repetitive game. I don't think it would kill anybody to actually try different things once in a while even if that means you have fun, heaven forbid, at the expense of actually winning.
The best idea is to just find a laid-back server where people know each other and play to have a good time, not play to WIN DOUBLE SCORE ULTRA DEATH HUMILIATION. NS is about fun.
some people actually enjoy competition though, I myself find fun in winning and competing thats where I draw my fun from. Don't get me wrong knife only marines vs skulks is fun from time to time but I draw enjoyment from the game on a competitive level...
Weird, I never got the newbie feeling, as I played 1.0 at lunch in my highschool. (Call me a geek, I *Dare* you). Our teacher introduced us to Natural Selection and we all learned together around 5v5. we didn't have Any more Half life keys <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Fortunatly for us, we all learned together, and then from there i went to Online play, and knew what i was doing. I just started Comming for the first time since 1.x, and been called a n00b for my methods of commander, even when they win.
I put a Turret factory by their first hive, electrified it, put 3 turrets there with electrified RT. It kept around 5/9 alien players occupied for 5-10 minutes taking out, while we took the rest of the map, and had more res from them dieing trying to take it. Yet i was constantly yelled at for ignoring our 'forward base by their hive' Sometimes the people yelling n00b!!!! are not as smart as the rest of us.
on another note, I played Counter Strike for the first time *gasp* a couple weeks ago. Dare i say, i was much more unwelcome there then i am in the NS community. Basically because you get killed in one shot, called n00b constantly, even if your winning, and a bunch of other vulgar names. I also tried TFC. Maybe i found a good server, but i became an engineer, didn't know how to upgrade my little turret, and this guy gave me some ammo, and told me how, and explained a little. I try to do that in NS, but its hard because New players always come during a Combat game and with the non-stop action, i dont' have time to explain well enough for them to get it. *shrug*
In my experience, playing on a good server as a newbie commander is one of the best things there is. I was marines on some server (I think it might have been NSA, or maybe LM) and we had two commanders. The n00b commander and the newbie commander. Big difference. The n00b got ejected for sitting in the CC after half our team was killed and we had no IPs. The newbie commander got helped by the team and we won the match. Instead of yelling "OMG N00B!1!11!11eleven" when the comm asked how best to do something, the team *gasp* answered his question and he *gasp* followed their suggestions. Sad that this is such a rare thing when playing rines, even rarer when playing aliens. When I'm gorge in a new hive, building the RT and a marine comes around the corner, I tell the team to get there ASAP over teamsay (voicechat too spammy). And in one specific example, our onos was right outside the hive, ran, and got killed by the incoming HA train that I said was coming. Bloody brilliant. Match lost. Most of the time, somebody spams "we need onos!!!" or "get to double n00bs!" instead, and the hive is lost. Then 30 minutes later, same n00b says "WTH!?!?!? why don't we have *insert name of hive here*?!?1!oneleleven". I tell him, then he gets angry and calls me the n00b for going gorge in a hive we don't control and trying to build it, instead of saving for onos. Hrm. Right.
Admin abuse is also sadly common. On a unnamed server (unnamed because I forget the name), an admin had a high ping. Aliens own the ENTIRE map aside from MS. I personally had 582 points with 4 kills. Everywhere was chamber spammed. The marines had no chance (it was 3v2). Both aliens were gorge. So, one goes onos (after 45 minutes) to try and end the game. Slayed. Marines all have HA and JPs w/ HMGs/GL and a turret farm the size of chicago. We both go onos simultaneously (75 res is about 3 seconds worth when you own all RTs except one, and only have 2 people). Both teleported into the readyroom floor. I suicide, go onos again. I make it to their base before he notices, and he godmode's his team. So I kill the entire base before he had time to execclient "kill" on me. They have nothing except CC and some seiges (no TFs, I killed all 9). It was 4 AM, 1:35 into the game. I just quit, deleted the (formerly good) server from my favourites. Another guy joined, and marines went on to win it turns out. Since they were un-killable, aliens all f4'd a bit later. After the marines made it clear they were not going to be un-god-moded any time soon. And after they knifed a hive.
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
i never have, and never seen ppl yelling at noobs in a server. I've yelled at plenty of morons that are just being ****. Try and stick to clan servers, you may not get much help, but u also wont get yelled at alot. If I dont help a noob, simple questions do get iritating, I just wont answer. not gonna be a pain.
What others have said about finding a good server is great advice. To me, it certainly sounds like the server you were playing on was less than understanding towards a new player.
Different folks might like different things, so for newbies out there who aren't comfortable with admitting they are a new player straight away, and risking becoming flame bait for other people who are frustrated that they're losing and looking for a scapegoat...
1) Shut up. Don't say anything to reveal your ignorance. Don't make yourself a target for verbal abuse.
2) Don't go running off on your own. While learning the game, follow a commander's waypoints/instructions. If the comm isn't saying anything, stick like glue to a more skilled marine and provide additional bullet support (or be bait, at worst). Just don't run in front of the marine and block his line of fire.
As alien, either follow another skulk quietly and run into combat only when the first skulk attacks (provide a second distraction, in other words)...or imo, this is better, learn to gorge. As long as you build rts, hives, and do not drop random chambers willy nilly, few aliens ever get frustrated with a builder gorge. They -will- scream if they see res hording, an evolution to a higher lifeform, and you dying in the one minute that follows.
By doing this, you're helping out your team as you get accustomed to the flow of the game. Experiment with other lifeforms and such in combat games. Install bots and run a LAN game if you want to try out comming, or improving your aim, etc. A LAN game also helps to familiarize you with areas if you're willing to do the homework beforehand, otherwise, being a good follower will make you familiar with the map in short order.
As you get more comfortable with the game, you're bound to feel you want to do things differently, think someone is wrong, that your way will win the game more easily. This is the rambo stage. If you're intent on going one way, when the rest of the team is going the other, develop a thicker skin because there is no way the other people won't howl bloody murder. Sometimes you -are- right, sometimes, you aren't.
Just remember, we all like to be on the winning side, but no one can win all the time. In every NS game, there is one team that wins, and one that loses.
You -will- win some AND lose some.
Just don't ever get so frustrated that you quit NS forever because of a few bad experiences.
After looking at Higgans post, It just made me remember the first server I joined in 1.03, I saw them building stuff and I asked how to do that, the admin or someone started yelling at me and then i got banned. I didn't play for a few days. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NS is all about being on the right server... Some people are idiots... When I was a CS player, I cant count the number of servers that I got kicked from for killing people, and defending my self in verbal conflicts over the mic...
I will be honest and say that I am not the nicest person to nubs, but if they are willing to learn I will teach. It sounds to me your favourite server seems to have a large maturity problem, consider going back under a different name in a week or two if you really still want to play there...
NS can be the best game ever, but it can also be incready fustrating when you loose, this often leads to the blame game...
Thanks to your posts and your advice I decided to get back out there and play a little NS again. I chose to forget what happenend, i even noticed the server where the "incident" took place was empty lol... Anyway I was a little more cautious this time around, always checking for orders and listening to what was being said. Sure after a couple of rounds on ns_tanith it degenerated to a massive argument between different vets over the comm chair, but it was funny as hell. I didn't say anything, like you said its a bad idea to make myself a target, I even managed to get the commander to build a couple of res towers thanks to my lone soldier escapades...
Natural Selection is a great mod, and like you all say it's a sorry thing that this sort of stuff happens. That a person can have a bad experience and get banned from a server for asking a question etc etc... but the message this thread is putting out is that these are isolated incidents. Perhaps eventually vet's won't ever be annoyed by newbies asking questions when the NS team make some sort of crazy training mod with simulated combat and what not.
I guess a certain degree of responsiblity falls on the newbie who asks those questions, the responsiblity being to find the answers to the questions yourself. However 90% of the time the newbie will most likely just ask out loud during a game, which after a while annoys people. I suppose really that newbies will always ask questions....
If anyone has ever had an experience such as mine then I hope you post and tell me, so I can tell you one thing. Don't let it ruin your perception of a great mod supported by great people. Many of you have said that there are plenty of idiots out there who just couldn't care less as long as they have there own server and can do what they want to do. The worst case scenario is that new players visit these servers, which obviouslly is a bad thing. In the end if you don't feel welcome then leave, you might feel you shouldn't have too but it's better than becoming a big target for abuse.
Whatever you mod is; NS, CS, TFC etc etc... There will always be a degree of seperation between new players and veteran players, that much is obvious. The bad thing is that these unwitting new players attract such unwanted abuse by server admins on some servers that it totally ruins that persons perception of the mod they are playing. All the manuals in the world, all the forum threads cannot hold back a reaction to such abuse. Maybe that abusive backlash makes some players go from newbies to mega-angry intermediate players who go totally ballistic when someone asks a question like "how do I get a shotgun" on an NS map, even if the question wasn't directed to them.
Argh i'm getting to scientific! lol... In the long run the experience has made me more determined to play NS, I promised myself I wouldn't let the actions of some idiots spoil my perception of this mod. Because it's just plain wrong that a few idiots with server rights overshadow an excellent mod such as this.
I've played on servers that will ban people for critisizing newbies.
It's one of those things with this game, the good players are really good and they quickly forget what they took to get there. NS has one of the slowest learning curves of any FPS I have ever played (although other RTS games take just as long if not longer to master as NS).
Of all the possible games it could have happened in, I wonder why the elitist player syndrome developed so strongly in this one <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
HellbillyA whole title out of pity...Join Date: 2002-11-02Member: 3931Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
Just finished reading the whole thread and i am happy to see that you decided to stick around with us <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"Natural Selection, because you are worth it" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-John "Hawkeye" Higgens+May 18 2004, 08:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (John "Hawkeye" Higgens @ May 18 2004, 08:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Server admins are the worst, i mean i've never seen such widespread abuse of admin rights when playing cs or tfc or any mod for that matter. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I couldn't agree any more.
I don’t believe Natural Selection players are any different to those of any other FPS community. The behaviours you’re encountering arise from the differences in the games themselves.
For a start, in NS you’re often under immense pressure to succeed. You’re under pressure from the enemy, who are constantly advancing and pressure from your team members who depend on your cooperation. Unlike CS, where rounds last little over 3 minutes and gameplay is straight-forward, NS demands far more from its players. Whether you win or lose, games oftern leave you feeling exhausted. In this high-pressure environment, it’s reasonable to expect tempers to flair and emotions to get in the way of rational thought.
That fact that we all get so passionately involved in the outcome of the game is what makes NS such brilliant gaming experience. Providing you prepared to deal with a few hot-headed individuals, it’s well worth your time.
Natural Selection is definitly one of the harder to learn FPS's, and to master too... there's never been a more interresting online game for me. You need
Skill, Orientation, Sense of the minutes passing vs what could be done or what should i do, To follow orders,when you see that a com looks good, chances are follow is orders Ears are important, (I only listen to music in co, nine inch nails rock for killing) Patience, you can't be godlike without experience, even after, not every game A good config file, i'm sure hitbox factor is influenced by the config file, other things to A microphone for comming, i don't com no mic, i almost suck without and many other things
Hands down for most interresting, strategic, FPS to date
my 6 months of playing, i've helped 90% of noobs i've encountered. (i see the guy the next day, he says "who the hell are you?", and i'm like <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> u gotta be kiddin me, u forgot?!
but point is, i help out alot. i remember 1 guy tho in a server i joined, he was like requesting all this stuff and asking "how do i get a welder?" eventually, everyone told him to SUYF and he left the server.
I am guilty of being irritated by newbies. I usually mute them though. When I first joined NS, well, that was pretty much my FIRST online game I played. Thing is I didn't ask questions, I just followed someone who I thought knew what they were doing. I eventually figured the game out over time and got better. The best thing a newbie can do is jsut that, don't say much, follow someone pretty good and shoot at what he's shooting at. I have had MANY newbies just follow me because I had that pretty blue icon next to my name and I liked it really. I felt like a squad leader, deciding the fate of my team. They didn't ask any questions really, they just followed and shot at what I shot. I turn around, hearing a sound, they would turn around too save for one or two who watched the front and kept moving a bit. If the person starts getting mad at you though when you do that, find someone else to follow and don't make it too obvious. I mean hell, follow one of the guys on the scoreboard with an Icon next to their name. They know what they are usually doing and you can know what is going on a lot better such as what certain buildings do and what enemies look like and what you should do to kill them. I have to apologize about your rude treatement though, but there ARE a LOT of bad servers out there that you would want to avoid. If you would like an idea of a good server with a rather fll player list and good players with a few almost on at all times willing to help, PM me and I'll give you the name and IP addy and hell, my screen name so you knwo who to follow. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
LOL. Yesterday I played NS online for the first time. This is cos I've just get a decent 128kbps conexion (had a 56k modem before). I had played a couple NS games before in LAN... a year ago <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> So I changeg my nick to "n00b" so everyone knew what I was and entered the public server that had the lowest ping.
And guess what?? When I got fed up of stupid commanders and manage to enter the command console I didn't do it worse than the previous ones with just the knowledge of what I remembered from last year. I'm new to NS... but I have to agree with veterans that are fed up of n00bs. Because it seems most n00bs are really really dumb. I mean, READ THE ****ING MANUAL before entering a game. It's not that difficult and it gives you the basis of the game so you're not so confused the first time you play.
What I mean to say with all of this is that there is a difference between ppl who are just new to NS and ppl who is new to NS and also stupid. And seems most ppl enter into the second category.
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Should the guy HAVE to mute half the server to enjoy the game? I would hope not. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I did, but this thing lags my keyboard/mouse like hell when entering situations where the guys fire.. I dunno what this could be, but friend of mine gets it (though a bit later, but he gets it) too.
edit: when people are actually talking over voicecom about the game, then I won't mute them.
Find a good server with nice admins and great regulars, or just take note of which servers to avoid! I think you might find the atmosphere on the OnE server (lerk jerky) more attractive. Freaks Unleashed is great as well. There are plenty of servers with good communities out there, but there are some with lousy ones as well.
I first played ns back in the 1.04 days didn't really get into it, nor enjoy it prolly because at that tiem I was playing other games competitvely and had no interest (tribes 2)...anywho I downloaded the beta maybe 2 or 3 months ago and I didn't know what to expect..
I read the manual, read these forums, and then installed and joined a game..the frist thing I did when I was there before even joining the game was ask what team to join because I was a newbie, the admins forced me to marines (note this was a combat game, easier to learn some of the basics)..I played, did a lot of stupid stuff, died, and so on but I slowly learned and a few of the admins helped me out..
I kept playing and trying, jumping from server to server until I found one I was comfortable in, at the time still playing a lot of co but I started playing regular ns. I admit my first ns game sucked, and I didn't know where in the world to go but the comm helped me, waypointed everything etc. The key was to tell them ahead of time I was a newbie, I prefer all newbs do that, tell me there a newb and I'll help them...
I kept learning found new servers to play on, and people I enjoyed playing with and have enjoyed it since. I still learn stupid stuff not to do, eg oc stacking <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> but you get better..
andby better it doesn't mean you have to have a 12-2 kill/death ratio, it means understanding the principles of the game, knowing what to do, how to communicate. there have been ns games where I've gone 2-12 and guess what it didn't matter because instead of killing things I was killing res nodes etc <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
you have to understand the basics and know what to do when to do it, your definition of good should change, you don't have to be a vet, or a tester etc etc, you just have to understand and know how to play...
That ends my rant...
The only thing worse than noobs that don't know (or care) what they are doing, is rules-mongerers who think they know everything about the game and demand you play exactly like them and build everything in the exact right order in the exact right place so you can have an exact right repetitive game. I don't think it would kill anybody to actually try different things once in a while even if that means you have fun, heaven forbid, at the expense of actually winning.
The best idea is to just find a laid-back server where people know each other and play to have a good time, not play to WIN DOUBLE SCORE ULTRA DEATH HUMILIATION. NS is about fun.
I put a Turret factory by their first hive, electrified it, put 3 turrets there with electrified RT. It kept around 5/9 alien players occupied for 5-10 minutes taking out, while we took the rest of the map, and had more res from them dieing trying to take it. Yet i was constantly yelled at for ignoring our 'forward base by their hive' Sometimes the people yelling n00b!!!! are not as smart as the rest of us.
on another note, I played Counter Strike for the first time *gasp* a couple weeks ago. Dare i say, i was much more unwelcome there then i am in the NS community. Basically because you get killed in one shot, called n00b constantly, even if your winning, and a bunch of other vulgar names. I also tried TFC. Maybe i found a good server, but i became an engineer, didn't know how to upgrade my little turret, and this guy gave me some ammo, and told me how, and explained a little. I try to do that in NS, but its hard because New players always come during a Combat game and with the non-stop action, i dont' have time to explain well enough for them to get it. *shrug*
Admin abuse is also sadly common. On a unnamed server (unnamed because I forget the name), an admin had a high ping. Aliens own the ENTIRE map aside from MS. I personally had 582 points with 4 kills. Everywhere was chamber spammed. The marines had no chance (it was 3v2). Both aliens were gorge. So, one goes onos (after 45 minutes) to try and end the game. Slayed. Marines all have HA and JPs w/ HMGs/GL and a turret farm the size of chicago. We both go onos simultaneously (75 res is about 3 seconds worth when you own all RTs except one, and only have 2 people). Both teleported into the readyroom floor. I suicide, go onos again. I make it to their base before he notices, and he godmode's his team. So I kill the entire base before he had time to execclient "kill" on me. They have nothing except CC and some seiges (no TFs, I killed all 9). It was 4 AM, 1:35 into the game. I just quit, deleted the (formerly good) server from my favourites. Another guy joined, and marines went on to win it turns out. Since they were un-killable, aliens all f4'd a bit later. After the marines made it clear they were not going to be un-god-moded any time soon. And after they knifed a hive.
please excuse what was here previously, my mind was abit distracted.]
Different folks might like different things, so for newbies out there who aren't comfortable with admitting they are a new player straight away, and risking becoming flame bait for other people who are frustrated that they're losing and looking for a scapegoat...
1) Shut up. Don't say anything to reveal your ignorance. Don't make yourself a target for verbal abuse.
2) Don't go running off on your own. While learning the game, follow a commander's waypoints/instructions. If the comm isn't saying anything, stick like glue to a more skilled marine and provide additional bullet support (or be bait, at worst). Just don't run in front of the marine and block his line of fire.
As alien, either follow another skulk quietly and run into combat only when the first skulk attacks (provide a second distraction, in other words)...or imo, this is better, learn to gorge. As long as you build rts, hives, and do not drop random chambers willy nilly, few aliens ever get frustrated with a builder gorge. They -will- scream if they see res hording, an evolution to a higher lifeform, and you dying in the one minute that follows.
By doing this, you're helping out your team as you get accustomed to the flow of the game. Experiment with other lifeforms and such in combat games. Install bots and run a LAN game if you want to try out comming, or improving your aim, etc. A LAN game also helps to familiarize you with areas if you're willing to do the homework beforehand, otherwise, being a good follower will make you familiar with the map in short order.
As you get more comfortable with the game, you're bound to feel you want to do things differently, think someone is wrong, that your way will win the game more easily. This is the rambo stage. If you're intent on going one way, when the rest of the team is going the other, develop a thicker skin because there is no way the other people won't howl bloody murder. Sometimes you -are- right, sometimes, you aren't.
Just remember, we all like to be on the winning side, but no one can win all the time. In every NS game, there is one team that wins, and one that loses.
You -will- win some AND lose some.
Just don't ever get so frustrated that you quit NS forever because of a few bad experiences.
I will be honest and say that I am not the nicest person to nubs, but if they are willing to learn I will teach. It sounds to me your favourite server seems to have a large maturity problem, consider going back under a different name in a week or two if you really still want to play there...
NS can be the best game ever, but it can also be incready fustrating when you loose, this often leads to the blame game...
Thanks to your posts and your advice I decided to get back out there and play a little NS again. I chose to forget what happenend, i even noticed the server where the "incident" took place was empty lol...
Anyway I was a little more cautious this time around, always checking for orders and listening to what was being said. Sure after a couple of rounds on ns_tanith it degenerated to a massive argument between different vets over the comm chair, but it was funny as hell. I didn't say anything, like you said its a bad idea to make myself a target, I even managed to get the commander to build a couple of res towers thanks to my lone soldier escapades...
Natural Selection is a great mod, and like you all say it's a sorry thing that this sort of stuff happens. That a person can have a bad experience and get banned from a server for asking a question etc etc... but the message this thread is putting out is that these are isolated incidents. Perhaps eventually vet's won't ever be annoyed by newbies asking questions when the NS team make some sort of crazy training mod with simulated combat and what not.
I guess a certain degree of responsiblity falls on the newbie who asks those questions, the responsiblity being to find the answers to the questions yourself. However 90% of the time the newbie will most likely just ask out loud during a game, which after a while annoys people. I suppose really that newbies will always ask questions....
If anyone has ever had an experience such as mine then I hope you post and tell me, so I can tell you one thing. Don't let it ruin your perception of a great mod supported by great people. Many of you have said that there are plenty of idiots out there who just couldn't care less as long as they have there own server and can do what they want to do. The worst case scenario is that new players visit these servers, which obviouslly is a bad thing. In the end if you don't feel welcome then leave, you might feel you shouldn't have too but it's better than becoming a big target for abuse.
Whatever you mod is; NS, CS, TFC etc etc... There will always be a degree of seperation between new players and veteran players, that much is obvious. The bad thing is that these unwitting new players attract such unwanted abuse by server admins on some servers that it totally ruins that persons perception of the mod they are playing. All the manuals in the world, all the forum threads cannot hold back a reaction to such abuse. Maybe that abusive backlash makes some players go from newbies to mega-angry intermediate players who go totally ballistic when someone asks a question like "how do I get a shotgun" on an NS map, even if the question wasn't directed to them.
Argh i'm getting to scientific! lol...
In the long run the experience has made me more determined to play NS, I promised myself I wouldn't let the actions of some idiots spoil my perception of this mod. Because it's just plain wrong that a few idiots with server rights overshadow an excellent mod such as this.
Thank you all.
It's one of those things with this game, the good players are really good and they quickly forget what they took to get there. NS has one of the slowest learning curves of any FPS I have ever played (although other RTS games take just as long if not longer to master as NS).
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I couldn't agree any more.
For a start, in NS you’re often under immense pressure to succeed. You’re under pressure from the enemy, who are constantly advancing and pressure from your team members who depend on your cooperation. Unlike CS, where rounds last little over 3 minutes and gameplay is straight-forward, NS demands far more from its players. Whether you win or lose, games oftern leave you feeling exhausted. In this high-pressure environment, it’s reasonable to expect tempers to flair and emotions to get in the way of rational thought.
That fact that we all get so passionately involved in the outcome of the game is what makes NS such brilliant gaming experience. Providing you prepared to deal with a few hot-headed individuals, it’s well worth your time.
there's never been a more interresting online game for me. You need
Skill,
Orientation,
Sense of the minutes passing vs what could be done or what should i do,
To follow orders,when you see that a com looks good, chances are follow is orders
Ears are important, (I only listen to music in co, nine inch nails rock for killing)
Patience, you can't be godlike without experience, even after, not every game
A good config file, i'm sure hitbox factor is influenced by the config file, other things to
A microphone for comming, i don't com no mic, i almost suck without
and many other things
Hands down for most interresting, strategic, FPS to date
NS is the best mod out there hands down.
now go and play
but point is, i help out alot. i remember 1 guy tho in a server i joined, he was like requesting all this stuff and asking "how do i get a welder?" eventually, everyone told him to SUYF and he left the server.
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And guess what?? When I got fed up of stupid commanders and manage to enter the command console I didn't do it worse than the previous ones with just the knowledge of what I remembered from last year. I'm new to NS... but I have to agree with veterans that are fed up of n00bs. Because it seems most n00bs are really really dumb. I mean, READ THE ****ING MANUAL before entering a game. It's not that difficult and it gives you the basis of the game so you're not so confused the first time you play.
What I mean to say with all of this is that there is a difference between ppl who are just new to NS and ppl who is new to NS and also stupid. And seems most ppl enter into the second category.