Lag Spikes When Fighting Marines/aliens

GreenStormGreenStorm Join Date: 2003-01-17 Member: 12387Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I get 30-400</div> Ok I can get like 30 ping when i'm not attacking a marine or anything. But when there's alot of attacking and killing with the warfare I get this insane amount of lag cuz my ping jumps up to 400 even to 500 but after i die the ping drops down to 50's or depending on the server. I went to a cs server and played didn't get the lag spike when i was in combat vs t and ct's. It just seems that when there are alot of things moving around in motion and stuff it lags me.

Oh also I never had this problem till beta 4. Oh if it helps this was a comp i built myself.I also downloaded the newest version Catalyst for my graphics card.

PC Specs

- CPU = Amd 3000 @ 2.1
- Nvidia SoundStorm 5.1 integrated sound
- ATI Radeon 9800 XT
- Coasir Dual Pack 2 512's Dual CHannel pc 3200
- Windows XP
- opengl @ 800 X 600
- No idea what EAX is.
- Retail CLient is Half Life
- I use Steam
- NS Version is NS v3.0 beta 4a
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  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    I have a similar problem, didn't see anything about it in the stickies. I have a good enough system to play farcry and painkiller multiplayer but it can't seem to handle ns atm. Maybe this is a Steam problem?

    2 gig p4
    1 gig DDR RAM
    radeon 9600
    windows xp

    open gl 1024x768
    I tweaked some settings as suggested in the tweaking hl guide and have got it down to jumping 40-150, but it never did that before and I'm wondering why the jump?

    edit realized it was rather vague

    double edit, more info
  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    Neither of you have posted what type of internet you use, aswell as what ISP you use.

    As for unscene a 40-150 ping is good i play with a 200-500 ping in firefights, i would kill for a ping as low as 150.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    200-500? how can you play?(no offense) I have cable, I used to be on campus and play there but I had the same probelm there so I don't think it's my provider. It just all of a sudden started happening and it's really killing me.
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Jasp+May 23 2004, 12:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jasp @ May 23 2004, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Neither of you have posted what type of internet you use, aswell as what ISP you use.

    As for unscene a 40-150 ping is good i play with a 200-500 ping in firefights, i would kill for a ping as low as 150. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    same
  • ChewycheeseChewycheese Join Date: 2004-05-24 Member: 28878Members
    edited May 2004
    This has started happening to me just recently (2 or 3 days ago).

    Pentium 4 2.8 ghz
    ati radeon 9700 pro -opengl 1280x1024
    512 ram
    cable modem connection
    Half-Life - Counterstrike client
    steam
    not using EAX
    NS version beta 4a

    I would usually get nice pings around 50-100 which is perfect. But now every minute or so (regardless of attacking or race in the game) i get "stuck". Everybody else is frozen too...and about 15 seconds later its back to normal again...then stuck...etc. After about 4 times of this it freezes long enough for the "WARNING: Connection Problem" text to appear. I play on a wireless home network, which has been working fine until now. I've tried restarting the router and even restoring it to factory default settings but I still get this problem. Help PLZ <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    chewy:
    Open up steam
    Go to the games menu
    RClick on each game and go to properties
    set each to NOT auto update.
  • KisanKisan Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18564Members
    For the few that have the lag spikes in action, try reinstalling NS. I'v had this problem in 2.01 and reinstalling fixed it for me, may fix it for 3.0b4a.

    And what kind of router do you have chewy
  • ChewycheeseChewycheese Join Date: 2004-05-24 Member: 28878Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+May 23 2004, 11:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ May 23 2004, 11:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> chewy:
    Open up steam
    Go to the games menu
    RClick on each game and go to properties
    set each to NOT auto update. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i did this but I still have the problem

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And what kind of router do you have chewy<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Belkin Wireless Router 802.11b
  • BlueNovemberBlueNovember hax Join Date: 2003-02-28 Member: 14137Members, Constellation
    There are two problems here.

    1) GreenStorm has lag problems *only when attacking*
    Possible causes:
    >Rendering issues with player models. Custom models?
    >Graphics card drivers. Unlikely.

    2) Chewycheese has like spikes at more random intervals.
    Possible causes:
    No, let's rephrase that.

    Almost certain cause:
    C***py Beklin .b standard router. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    I mean, dude, is RJ45 cabling really that ugly? You get over 10* the speed... Sigh.

    and the .b standard?
    and beklin?

    <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    /me voices vendetta against wireless routers and beklin in general.

    Ahem.
    On a more constructive note, do you get lag spikes in any other game, or during downloads?
    Could it be someone else on your network, (including some WarChalker,) is using your bandwidth?
    Do you use Wireless phones at home?

    I know I have not really listed any solutions here, but I hope you can find some answers from my queries.
  • ChewycheeseChewycheese Join Date: 2004-05-24 Member: 28878Members
    I have been using the router since march and it was working perfectly fine until now. I'm thinkin about doing a system restore just so this will work <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    Whoa whoa whoa - this stinks of incorrectly set rates.

    Before doing ANYTHING, go check your rates. If you have broadband, then they should be set at 8000-9999

    If its set at like 3000, then hang your heads in shame.... Its something that happens when patches are installed.

    to check your rates, type rate in console

    To change your rates type "Rate 9999" or whatever number you wish in console.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    yeah I did the rate thing before I posted, it allows me to play on a few servers(in which i have 30-40 ping <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->) but most servers either lag all of the time(even servers I used to be able to play w consistnent ping) or jump at inoppertune moments.

    edit, going to try reinstalling, maybe some variable or state was reset that I can't access directly.

    double edit: nope, still awful, maybe there will be an answer tomorrow.
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-locallyunscene+May 25 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (locallyunscene @ May 25 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yeah I did the rate thing before I posted, it allows me to play on a few servers(in which i have 30-40 ping <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->) but most servers either lag all of the time(even servers I used to be able to play w consistnent ping) or jump at inoppertune moments.

    edit, going to try reinstalling, maybe some variable or state was reset that I can't access directly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well before you do please try a tracert to your isp's homepage.

    I was on these forums complaining for ages until I realised that Comindico was fisting my connection, giving me shocking packet loss and it had nothing to do with NS at all....

    Just dont want you having to go through all that re-installing trouble for nothing if your isp is being poor <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    You probably know how to already, but just in case:

    to do a tracert click start, all programs, accessories and then msdos prompt

    type in tracert www.yourispshomepage.com and post what you get. It should have pretty low consistent pings.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    that's probably what it is, I was hoping for a "simple" fix. (like rate) but I'll trace it tomorrow to see.
  • ZarielZariel Join Date: 2004-05-25 Member: 28896Members
    i get a different type of lag.... once every few minutes on most servers (i play on Australian servers and i am in Australia).. i get this major lag spike(from 50ping to over 5k or even 10k ping) and i get this warning saying CL_Flushenitypacket.... and i just freeze for say like 10 seconds....
    i can see everything do like normal.. but i cant move... then 10 seconds later.. it takes me back where i walked...

    i dont get this problem in other games i play, nor i get it in CS or DoD or Firearms or Warcraft 3:FT...

    ive been trying to solve this problem for ages, ive found out that it is "choke" packets being created (ie: i cant upload)..

    im running on a amd 2600, 1 gig of ram, winXP pro.... and others arent needed to say...

    connection: ISP: Swiftel, speed: 512/128Kbit DL/UL,
    Modem: Alcatel speedtouch home with a netgear router on rj45 cabling.. (roughly 15 metres of cable),
    yea and my network adapter is the Gigabytes gigabit network thing....

    does ne1 have a solution to this???
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    Thats weird Zariel - I'm an Australian and I dealt with flush entity packets for 4 years of halflife online gaming, but that was on dialup.

    I suggest using the forum search engine, as this is an extremely common problem, though I believed it to be unheard of on broadband.

    scratch that - I did it for you

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66275&hl=flushentity' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...&hl=flushentity</a>

    Read what steel troll has to say - apparently NS kept resetting his rates to 14.4k modem rates - check your rates and change them to like 9999 or something.
  • ZarielZariel Join Date: 2004-05-25 Member: 28896Members
    thanks for ur link... solved a bit of problems... but my selected internet connection speed is DSL>256K....

    u said something about changing the rate to 9999??? where can i do that??? console?
  • Walking_TargetWalking_Target Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22552Members
    edited May 2004
    This seems to be a server side problem on some servers so try a different server first to make sure it isnt that server having problems (i see a lot of problems which bb tend to get that i just ignore as i play on dial-up).

    Zariel - you can change any setting in the console to any number but yes in the console change the rate to at least 9999 for a Broadband system.

    other rates to consider
    cl_updaterate 101
    cl_cmupdaterate 101
  • ThE_HeRoThE_HeRo Join Date: 2003-01-25 Member: 12723Members
    On my own computer, I don't have any trouble during firefights, its a
    1.5 ghz
    gf4 ti4800
    512 RAM
    XP Home

    But on my brothers *NEW* one, I have this problem, and his is
    3.0 ghz
    Radeon 9800 Pro
    512 RAM
    XP Pro

    We're both on the same router, same isp and everything, and I've set both rates to 9999. I'm very lost on why this is happening.
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    set your updaterate to 70
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Thx walking target. I set my cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate to 101 and now i get 40-50 ping again! ahh all's right in teh world again.
  • ChewycheeseChewycheese Join Date: 2004-05-24 Member: 28878Members
    edited May 2004
    OK...i set my rate to 9999 and I still get the problem. It was set to 20000 before so I'm guessing it didn't matter.

    I tracert'd my isp's homepage (comcast) and tthe result was 42 ms.

    I changed the cl_updaterate/cl_cmdrate to 101 and it still gives me problems (was at 20 before).


    I might be experiencing something different from everyone else. When I freeze up, everything around me stops moving but the models still move (ex a skulk who was walking isn't going anywhere but is walking in place). I can still look around with my mouse.

    Any other suggestions?
  • KisanKisan Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18564Members
    Test NS on the computer that isn't directly connected to the router, so you know which it actually is.
  • SpazzSpazz Join Date: 2004-02-04 Member: 26037Members
    I wanna thank you fellas for the rate command.

    I was having the problem where I would totally lag out in fire fights. I set rate to 9999 and i have no problem now.

    Thanks guys.
  • ChewycheeseChewycheese Join Date: 2004-05-24 Member: 28878Members
    Well I tried playing america's army for the first time in awhile and found that I was experiencing the same problem. So its not just half life, its probably my router. Anyone have any universal suggestions to fix? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Amped1Amped1 Join Date: 2003-02-08 Member: 13287Members
    I'm having a similar problem to chewy.
    >I see an enemy

    >They start walking in place

    >My choke goes from 0 to 100

    >Choke spike ends by an ally killing the enemy or enemy killing me

    >Upon my death my choke goes back to 0 but my ping goes up by a few hundred ms for a second

    >I'm on a 56k, with my cmdrate set to 30, updaterate set to 20, and rate set to 4000. My video is integrated, but I am getting anew video card soon. We'll see if that fixes it.
  • HalobladeHaloblade Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14811Members
    I got the exakt same problem as Chewycheese and everything started when b4a was downloaded and installed. It looks like everyone with this problem got a Radeon card, I have radeon 9800 pro and I haven't heard of anyone with this problem and another card than radeon <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> hmmmm i say.

    I've tryed a couple of things to make NS run correct again but nothing have helpet. I know one thing though but it's only for people with routers.

    You should make a shortcun on you desktop for NS and then you sould klick on it and choose setting and add "+clientport 27007" after the shortcut name. You have to give the computers in a network different ports so that the router don't mess it up. I've heard that this works on routers but i don't have a router so that's not the solution in my case.
  • ChewycheeseChewycheese Join Date: 2004-05-24 Member: 28878Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Haloblade+May 30 2004, 02:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haloblade @ May 30 2004, 02:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You should make a shortcun on you desktop for NS and then you sould klick on it and choose setting and add "+clientport 27007" after the shortcut name. You have to give the computers in a network different ports so that the router don't mess it up. I've heard that this works on routers but i don't have a router so that's not the solution in my case. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I tried this but I still have the problem.
  • VeNeMVeNeM Join Date: 2002-07-13 Member: 928Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Haloblade+May 30 2004, 01:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Haloblade @ May 30 2004, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I got the exakt same problem as Chewycheese and everything started when b4a was downloaded and installed. It looks like everyone with this problem got a Radeon card, I have radeon 9800 pro and I haven't heard of anyone with this problem and another card than radeon <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> hmmmm i say.

    I've tryed a couple of things to make NS run correct again but nothing have helpet. I know one thing though but it's only for people with routers.

    You should make a shortcun on you desktop for NS and then you sould klick on it and choose setting and add "+clientport 27007" after the shortcut name. You have to give the computers in a network different ports so that the router don't mess it up. I've heard that this works on routers but i don't have a router so that's not the solution in my case. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    updaterate should be lower in bigger games. and fps modem should be capped because the higher the fps, the more bandwidth youre using.
  • Amped1Amped1 Join Date: 2003-02-08 Member: 13287Members
    Yeah. Changed my updaterate to 15 (from 20) and I now only have high choke in large sized games.
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