Cheaters already?

ChimeraChimera Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3379Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Hmmm...</div>How hard is it to see a cloaked alien?  Because earlier, I was a cloaked Gorg, and all of the sudden this marine popped out around the corner and killed me in like 2 seconds with a LMG.   There's no way he could have seen me before hand, and he killed me twice while I was cloaked.  Kind of makes cloaking pointless if he has some kind of wallhack.
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  • AyumiAyumi Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5515Members
    The commander can place temp movement chambers wich will reveal cloaked aliens/players
  • PriNcE_oF_SpAcEPriNcE_oF_SpAcE Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3392Members
    you mean he can temp. place a scanner sweep which reveals all cloaked and hidden aliens in a radius field...
  • ChimeraChimera Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3379Members
    I was at my hive when this happened.  I didn't see any scanners.
  • VangorVangor Join Date: 2002-05-22 Member: 655Members
    I've done that to lots, I mean lots of people, and I don't hack, I dunno, I see motion tracker circles, or, I have reflexively fired, perhaps it was just that (I see like a wierd looking texture and shoot), if it was just that once. I would let it slip. Problem with how both sides are, it will be hard to catch any cheaters besides on programs, but those aren't as failsafe for the real cheaters.
  • PhyrexPhyrex Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3556Members
    Lol, Hey chimera, that was me, sorry, i dont hack, but have you ever played AvP or AvP2, a cloaked Alien looks ALOT like a Cloaked Predator, its a forceive habit on my part to always shoot at somethin that looks blurly. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
  • JasperJasper Join Date: 2002-04-08 Member: 390Members
    I love  the way my bullets look when they go into a alien brain all green  


    the only thing aliens are good for is killing
  • HannebambelHannebambel Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5416Banned
    The scanner sweep is no structure. it can be done by the commander and is a useful feature if the Aliens do ambushing contineously via cloak.


    It is the same feature like the Com Sat in Starcraft. Somehow there are many similarities to Starcraft. The Skulks look exactly like Zerglings and even some of the sounds seem to be from Starcraft-
  • Crim0nKingCrim0nKing Join Date: 2002-02-18 Member: 225Members
  • MegaMickMegaMick Join Date: 2002-06-26 Member: 824Members
    The more Hives your team has, the more efective (translucid) is your cloaking. But you never become FULLY 100% invisible. With 3 hives, you are VERY hard to see, but it's still posible to spot. And don't forget that aliens do weird sounds when they walk! And also the weird music sometimes makes players be more nervous and "clears" their view, by increasing their fear.
    I myself was playing marine and the music went completely spooky just before turning a corner. I was kind of dominated by fear and did it walking and noticed that there was a cloaked Fade looking at me behind a half-height obstacle, waiting for me to aproach so he could do a flawless attack on me. (He didn't notice that I didn't have heavy armor and my weapon was a LMG <!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo-->) Anyway, I bet he was surprised when I fired at him, he he he!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> It would feel good if he didn't manage to kill me... But he did anyway, jumped on me and slashed me apart... But he was kind to tell me that I had left him only with 23 HP <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
    So all I needed was or an armor to live just a bit longer so my bullets killed him, OR a HMG so my bullets killed him lot faster so he couldn't even jump on me <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

    Damn you paranoids... Forget Counter-Strike! Forget cheaters!
  • HobbesHobbes Join Date: 2002-03-17 Member: 328Members
    Unless you have three sensory chambers, cloaking doesn't render you invisible.  Even if it does, the commander simply has to point and click to use a scanner sweep and reveal all cloaked aliens.
  • BananBanan Join Date: 2002-02-22 Member: 235Members
    Err, I believe you are 100% invisible with level 3 claok, I think I heard that from a PT.
    I might have been wrong though.

    Plus I was an onos and cloaked level 3 in the middle of a marine establishment, like 3-4 marines walked past me and didnt understand why they couldn't move where I was, I really doubt they could see me at all.
  • MoleculorMoleculor Namer-of-Bob Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 9Members
    You are 100% invisible with three Sensory Chambers. Not three hives.

    However, yes, a single scanner sweep will reveal cloaked aliens. Also, if you had just moved to that location, motion tracking may have showed you moving there.
  • GreedoGreedo Bounty Hunter Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 37Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Yes, just because motion tracking only tracks moving targets doesn't mean a marine won't remember the location the sprite was when it stopped tracking.  He'll be ready for you.

    Also, I've been able to pick off cloaked aliens simply based on where the sound came from, so if you were just too loud, he might have had a very good idea of where you'd be.
  • The_FoolThe_Fool Join Date: 2002-04-08 Member: 386Members
    Not to mention that if you accidently clip a cloaked alien, it'll spray blood, so you can focus on it then.
  • preacherpreacher Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5130Members
    you guys are naive to think there are no hacks. the same hacks that work on CS servers are working for NS right now, granted the aimbot is kinda fuxored on the hook-type hacks they work.

    a friend and i tested this ourselves on a game i created because we were suspicious of people in a server we were at, we personally, dont cheat.

    until NS starts to use VAC, you can expect people to use hook hakcs such as joolz, and even after vac, some OpenGL hacks will work.

    remember guys, this is still the HL engine.
  • The_FoolThe_Fool Join Date: 2002-04-08 Member: 386Members
    Those types of cheats are no-where near as game unbalancing in NS as they are in CS.
  • JikxJikx Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3563Members
    Remember, in Natural Selection, there can be no one man commando (aka Rambo) style attacks.. you'll be slaughtered.

    That in itself means that a few cheaters using conventional cheats will find that they may have an advantage, but then again, your team mates won't back you up as you cheat, and when a pack of skulks/marines come along and slaughter you i think you'll really understnad that cheating really doesn't pay..

    No point in marines cheating (i.e aimbot), as aliens don't have a 'head' to shoot for bonus damage, and you don't even get a personalised score! For aliens, your weak you can't do direct attacks and have to rely on ambushes or you are an onus and who needs cheats for that <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    The only cheat i can see of benefit is resource ones..
  • preacherpreacher Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5130Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--The Fool+Nov 5 2002, 12:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The Fool @ Nov 5 2002, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Those types of cheats are no-where near as game unbalancing in NS as they are in CS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    so that makes them ok?

    example: <span style='color:red'>...</span> you newbies dunno what that is, it was one of the first mainstream hacks for CS, wallhack, aimbot and ballhack, all work great for NS.



    <!--EDIT|Greedo386|Nov 4 2002, 10:40 PM-->
  • preacherpreacher Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5130Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jikx+Nov 5 2002, 01:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jikx @ Nov 5 2002, 01:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Remember, in Natural Selection, there can be no one man commando (aka Rambo) style attacks.. you'll be slaughtered.

    That in itself means that a few cheaters using conventional cheats will find that they may have an advantage, but then again, your team mates won't back you up as you cheat, and when a pack of skulks/marines come along and slaughter you i think you'll really understnad that cheating really doesn't pay..

    No point in marines cheating (i.e aimbot), as aliens don't have a 'head' to shoot for bonus damage, and you don't even get a personalised score! For aliens, your weak you can't do direct attacks and have to rely on ambushes or you are an onus and who needs cheats for that <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    The only cheat i can see of benefit is resource ones..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you guys wont be so fast to write these cheats off it they are allowed to go on without intervention.

    how would you like to be a level3 cloaked alien but the other guy sees a bright red diamond right over your head?
  • SonGohanSonGohan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2939Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--preacher+Nov 5 2002, 01:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (preacher @ Nov 5 2002, 01:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    you guys wont be so fast to write these cheats off it they are allowed to go on without intervention.

    how would you like to be a level3 cloaked alien but the other guy sees a bright red diamond right over your head?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You seem to know a lot about cheats...
  • preacherpreacher Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5130Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SonGohan+Nov 5 2002, 01:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SonGohan @ Nov 5 2002, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You seem to know a lot about cheats...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    your point?
  • SonGohanSonGohan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2939Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--preacher+Nov 5 2002, 01:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (preacher @ Nov 5 2002, 01:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--SonGohan+Nov 5 2002, 01:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SonGohan @ Nov 5 2002, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You seem to know a lot about cheats...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    your point?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Duh. I'm accusing you of cheating. It's the only logical reason I said that.
  • JikxJikx Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3563Members
    no point of big red diamond when you no longer have a head
  • preacherpreacher Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5130Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SonGohan+Nov 5 2002, 01:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SonGohan @ Nov 5 2002, 01:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Duh. I'm accusing you of cheating. It's the only logical reason I said that.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol. and i guess everyone at counter-hack.com cheats too?

    and everyone at Valve hacks too...

    and everyone at Nextwish.org cheats too...

    and everyone at United Admins cheats too..

    catch my drift yet?
  • preacherpreacher Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5130Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jikx+Nov 5 2002, 01:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jikx @ Nov 5 2002, 01:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->no point of big red diamond when you no longer have a head<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    heres your points:

    1. makes cloak useless

    2. you think all aimbots aim for head only?
  • SonGohanSonGohan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2939Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--preacher+Nov 5 2002, 01:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (preacher @ Nov 5 2002, 01:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    lol.  and i guess everyone at counter-hack.com cheats too?

    and everyone at Valve hacks too...

    and everyone at Nextwish.org cheats too...

    and everyone at United Admins cheats too..

    catch my drift yet?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No. Your drift didn't consist of a cheesy substance, so it didn't hold my attention for long.

    Anyways, I was ####### around. People can cheat all they want. I have other games to play. *Thumbs up*



    <!--EDIT|Greedo386|Nov 4 2002, 10:39 PM-->
  • TurtleTurtle Join Date: 2002-10-18 Member: 1540Members
    Cheats are a very large problem is, but I don't think server ops are taking things seriously, mainly because running a server isn't a serious deal.

    Roughly two days ago I updated my server list and filtered for servers running Valve's anti-cheat technology and none came up. None.

    I suppose the biggest problem is that many of these cheaters are people who simply refuse to acknowledge that there are other human beings in the world besides himself, and those people want to have a good time while playing their games.
  • preacherpreacher Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5130Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Turtle+Nov 5 2002, 01:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Turtle @ Nov 5 2002, 01:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cheats are a very large problem is, but I don't think
    Roughly two days ago I updated my server list and filtered for servers running Valve's anti-cheat technology and none came up. None.

    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    thats strange if you are filtering cs servers...

    however if you are filtering NS servers, NS is not VAC-Compatible yet.
  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Members
    Ooh, let's all mention the names of cheats, so people know what to google for. That's a cracking idea. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • preacherpreacher Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5130Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Souris+Nov 5 2002, 01:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Souris @ Nov 5 2002, 01:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ooh, let's all mention the names of cheats, so people know what to google for. That's a cracking idea. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    a cheater knows where to get cheats.

    and you dont have to have the name of a cheat to google it, smartass.
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