Upgrading Ram

PvtBonesPvtBones Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28187Members
<div class="IPBDescription">need a few questions answered</div> since I got a job (amazing I know <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> ) and I'm getting my first paycheck soon I decided I'm gunna upgrade my computers ram from 256 up to 512 I was jsut wondering when I pop the case and put in the new ram and start up my machine will there be anything I have to do like, reinstall stuff or anythign like that or is it jsut plug and play?

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  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    I have heard tell of having to do stuff with the bios, but never reinstalling anything <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    It should just be plug and play.

    (btw, you are buying another 256 chip right? most mother boards run 2 chips consecutively)
  • PvtBonesPvtBones Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28187Members
    no I'm buying a 512 stick from my local staples (I know not the best place but meh) so that I can later on get another one adn pump it up to a gig or so, ok time for another question are different brand ram sticks (different amount of ram too) compatible, I always thoguht it wasn't but I could be wrong
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    so techinically, you are upgrading to 768 megs...
  • PvtBonesPvtBones Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28187Members
    edited June 2004
    I guess if different brands of ram are interchangable then yes I am (which equals big wootaga!)
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    Yup, you can run 768 Mb of RAM. I don't know about "brands" and I belive that different ram chips run at different megahertz speeds, but I don't really know what the difference is.
  • PvtBonesPvtBones Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28187Members
    I mean like say company A's 256 stick of ram is currently in my computer and I want to buy Company B's stick of 512 at staples would they be able to get along as a big happy family?
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    Simple answer, yes.
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited June 2004
    Just make sure you know what TYPE of ram to get.

    The ram will come w/ easy to read instructions on how to put it in. If that doesn't clear your mind on the subject then look up the hundreds of picture guides on the interweb on the subject.

    And get a flashlight. It'll come in handy.
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    As long as they're the same type/speed and in the correct slots, yeah it'll work. Some mobos have dual-channel ram and you can only put the sticks in certain slot combinations. However, on most stock mobos all you need to worry about is type (DDR, SDRAM, RDRAM god forbid) and speed (DDR has different speeds for example). You'll get best results from the same speeds, although it should technically work even if they're different (never tried it though). If yours is a semi-new out of the box system it will almost definately have DDR, which is by far the most common type out there (and cheapest generally speaking)
  • littlewildlittlewild Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9467Members
    Are you planning to get SD-Ram or DDR Ram? If you don't know what's the difference, I suggest you check the existing Ram chip on the mother board. A SD-Ram chip will not fit in a DDR Ram slot and vice versa.

    Also, you have to consider the Ram's clock speed. For SD-Ram there are 66Mhz, 100Mhz and 133Mhz. For DDR Ram you have 266Mhz, 333Mhz, 350Mhz and 400Mhz. You can have 2 chips of different clock speeds, they will just work together at the speed of the lower chip. eg. 333 and 400 = both working at 333Mhz.

    There are more stuff like CL 2.5 nd CL 3.0 but I guess you don't need to know so much. Just read up about the 2 types of Ram and their speed and you should be fine.
  • TriPhaseTriPhase Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6110Members, Constellation
    Installing the ram has the be the most easiet upgrade to do with a computer that deals with hardware, all you do is pop the case, insert the ram, start it back up, and give it a few seconds to recognize it, and blam, your set to go.

    The only hard part is making sure you have the right ram, another thing could be installing it, depending on where your motherboard is hidden :o

    Speaking of which, I just upgraded my ram yesterday, from 512 to 1024mb(1gig) DDR PC-2700. Ram is one of the cheapest ways to make you computer run faster too, My computer is like weeeeeeeeeeeeee, although some people still don't know how Defrag can work wonders.
  • littlewildlittlewild Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9467Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Dorian Gray+Jun 6 2004, 10:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dorian Gray @ Jun 6 2004, 10:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As long as they're the same type/speed and in the correct slots, yeah it'll work. Some mobos have dual-channel ram and you can only put the sticks in certain slot combinations. However, on most stock mobos all you need to worry about is type (DDR, SDRAM, RDRAM god forbid) and speed (DDR has different speeds for example). You'll get best results from the same speeds, although it should technically work even if they're different (never tried it though). If yours is a semi-new out of the box system it will almost definately have DDR, which is by far the most common type out there (and cheapest generally speaking) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah good point about the RDRAM and dual channel boards.
    RDRAM is a rarity and I hope he is not unfourtunate enough to be using one. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Dual channel boards ususally have their memory slots colour coded, you will know where the other chip should go in by looking at the board itself. By the way, for dual channel to work, you need to have RAM of the same clockspeed and size(?).
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    And don't think you need to buy 'big-name' RAM for best performance... in the past, it used to be an issue. With current processing techniques, the difference between Corsair, Kingston, and the generic are negligible. The only thing you get with the 'big name' RAM at this point is a shiny heat-spreader that you don't actually need, and tend to pay about $30-50 (USD) more for.

    Also, many places sell '512MB RAM' with ultra-mega-tiny script 'kit' after it, which means they hand you two 256-sticks. Which is irritating as all get-out.


    I'd recommend before you go, find your motherboard manual and see what kind of RAM it takes. Some take both DDR and SDR... if you're using an SDR stick, you'd want to upgrade to DDR and leave the SDR out (mostly as many will refuse to boot with both kinds installed).
    Failing that, open your case, find the RAM stick (a DIMM, most likely) and pop it out. You need to undo the locking levers on either end, and that should pop it out of the slot. Note which direction it's facing because there's a little 'key' on the bottom (a notch) that fits over a peg in the slot.. how they make sure you don't put it in backward, as well as how they differentiate SDR and DDR (notch in a different place).
    Reinstall it to make sure you know how it feels (usually you push down until the locking levers click back into place), boot to make sure you got it right, shut down and remove it again. Take it with you, if you have an antistatic bag... leaves less room for error if they give you the 'wrong' kind.

    If your mobo manual says what kind it takes, no worries. Leave the stick in, and don't take it... reduces the risk of electrostatic discharge (ESD) damage. Just make sure they give you the right kind.


    Oh.. and just a personal preference, I always put the largest DIMM in DIMMSLOT 0 (they count up from 0... 0, 1, 2, 3 on a four-slot mobo). Check your motherboard handbook for RAM configurations. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • pantspants Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11188Members
    On a related note, what side effects come from using RAM that is too fast for the motherboard?

    I'm looking at buying a stick of 512DDR to replace my 256 SDRAM, but the highest my motherboard can support is 266mhz, and no stores around here sell 266mhz RAM anymore... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    It probably won't boot. Or worse, it will fry
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    edited June 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jun 7 2004, 05:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 7 2004, 05:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It probably won't boot. Or worse, it will fry <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    From my limited experience with computar masheens, it's hard to tell if he's kidding or not.

    All I know for sure is that ALL the ram in your system will only run as fast as the slowest stick. So in theory you should be fine, but don't trust me on that, I sure as hell wouldn't trust me.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Uh... no.

    DDR will not fit in an SDR slot. I'll assume you read that, and your mobo is one of the 'dual factor' types, that have slots for each kind (which can NOT be used in conjunction!!)

    Running higher-rated RAM should not cause a problem. This is underclocking, and little/nothing more. I ran PC-133 sticks in PC-100 machines all the time. My only trouble came in when I didn't check one of the sticks on a transfer, and ended up running a PC-100 rated stick at PC-133... frying it horribly. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Underclocking the RAM will not hurt. In fact, it could increase the stability of the system. I would not, however, recommend leaving your old stick in, under any circumstances.
  • pantspants Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11188Members
    Yeah, my mobo has 2 slots for each type. I've been using 2 sticks of pretty old SDRAM, so hopefully this new 512 stick I just ordered will fix all the resets I've been having.

    Thanks for the help. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    edited June 2004
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    underclocking (running the ram slower than it is made for) is actually very healthy for the stick. so if the price difference is not too bad, get the faster DDR400 (ddr400 is also sometimes called PC3200) peice for future upgradability's sake.

    even if your current system will only use 333 or 266 modes, having ram capable of 400 mode means you can use it in your next system a few years from now.

    only with 1.8ghz and higher CELERONS have i ever seen any problem with using ram that is too fast. because the motherboard decided to run at the speed of the ram, and celerons are only made to do 200 mhz, the processor became extremely overclocked and refused to boot up. in the event that too-fast ram makes the system not boot up, get the manual and find either a setting in the bios to force the correct processor front side bus speed, or a jumper to physically force it into the correct lower-speed.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    And actually, DDR400 is both PC3200 and PC4000. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • pantspants Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11188Members
    Pricing is as follows(AU):

    512meg DDR266 (PC2100) - $155
    512meg DDR333 (PC2700) - $139
    512meg DDR400 (PC3200) - $139

    Needless to say, I got the 400. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    I just picked up a 512DDR400 at my local comp shop for 125$(Canadian). I like my one gig ram machine <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • pantspants Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11188Members
    Aww man, that's not fair! Just cause you're next to the US you get cheaper computer ****.

    AU$1 = CA$0.94 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • PvtBonesPvtBones Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28187Members
    swift what store (we canadians rock!) the local staples sells ram for about 150+ (plus tax)
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