People judge post quality by the amount of text. I could post a neat little quip and extend it to about 1000 characters and it would be "discussion" versus "flamebait"
A discussion is defined as the exchange of peoples opinions by the means of arguments. If a post does not include arguments, it contradicts this forums purpose. Thus, I remove such posts. If you decide you do not wish to adhere to this form of communication of your opinion, very well - there's a reason people don't get suspended off the board when they violate this special forums rulesets - we acknowledge that this place has unusually high standards. Nonetheless, if you refuse to meet them, you should not be surprised to have your posts nuked.
<span style='color:orange'>There's really no need to copy-paste the entire previous post, send it through a 12-year-old-AOL-inator, and post the restults. One more thing like this and I'll assume your account has been taken over by someone else, or you need cooling down, and either way the tempsuspension result is the same. </span>
I think <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63495&hl=off+topic' target='_blank'>This</a> thread sums up my view on forum regulation.
X_StickmanNot good enough for a custom title.Join Date: 2003-04-15Member: 15533Members, Constellation
I've honestly never had a problem with anything any mod has ever done on the ns forums. This is the only forum i've ever been on, however. Well, long term that is. I've been registered on the jarhedz forums for ages but never post (or even look there) any more really, and i think i got up to 25 posts on the csnation.com forums before being banned.
I look at it like this, really: These forums are the NS staff's house, and as such they can do what they want here. If you come into someone's house and start mouthing off at them, you're gonna get kicked out. It's their rules, and it's their way of enforcing them. You don't <b>need</b> to be here, and you lose nothing (really) if you're banned.
That said, each person does see the rules differently. There's been more than a few cases where i've seen one mod browsing a thread, then leave without doing anything, only for another to come and lock it. I suppose what Nem said is most true: They're human, and are subject to all the same flaws the rest of us are.
Only we don't get people angry at us when we screw up <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have no problems with the moderation of these boards because it ensures they're a pleasant place to be. I mean, compare them to the "official" CS forums on cs.net and you know why these forums are sternly moderated.
I'm particularly impressed with Nem's attitude. The others I haven't seen that much of.
hm well i dono cuz im new here but these forums look nice to me. maybe the reason thers so many locks is becuz theres so much spam, u know? some ppl have too much time if there complaning about a deleted post from a year ago like this guy <a href='http://nsforumreform.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=opendiscussion&action=display&num=1086208843' target='_blank'>http://nsforumreform.proboards21.com/index...&num=1086208843</a> i dono what the big deal is if 1 post disapears, i mean the admins even said they r investigating so leave it at that if u ask me.
nemesis- could you explain how over moderation is so seperate from fascism? Id like to hear it. ANd plz, dont retreat to how its so horrible HOW CAN YOU COMPARE- im talking about principles here.
hm it also says on tht site there was a debate scooterblue vs nemesis-zero it says it here <a href='http://nsforumreform.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=opendiscussion&action=display&num=1086384410' target='_blank'>http://nsforumreform.proboards21.com/index...&num=1086384410</a>
what did they say? i bet nemesis put him to shame <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
edited June 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Dictionary.com+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dictionary.com)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fascism A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
now then.
that vs locking threads. there is a big difference.
calling some one a facist is sorta up there in calling some one a nazi, its just aint a polite/good thing. (and remember the rule of internet debate, any one who compares the other side to nazis/hitler... loses)
As for the debate they wanted, not gona hapen (as Nem0 has said many times, there will be no public discusion of offensise etcs)
oh, and would you try and not flame so that this thread could STAY open?
fun side note: Just realized that Bugler is one of blue's toadies (he became such after starting yet another thread on 'omg, admins are bad here')
did you read my post? I didnt call anyone a fascist. What I wanted to know was, is it really that far out in left field to compare on one level secret police tactics of the 1930s with edits and distortions of peoples thoughts, not to mention completing erasing them, especially under the guise of "cleaning the environment".
Dont come back at me with some moronic response like "well in a fascism personal liberties are restricted, whereas this is only a private online forum..."
I know that- im talking about the ethics of such actions in an online forum.
I have no delusions about this being the same situation- since none of my real life liberties are threatened.
Im glad to see that anyone with a dissenting opinion is thrown into the desparaged group.
Its kinda like calling someone a traitor who doesnt think the USA should be in iraq lol
Facism is by definition a way to run a country. If you work somewhere, chances are that you have a boss, and that boss decides wether or not you continue to work there. Depending how high up you are, your boss may or may not have to answer to anybody, yet he still runs the company, and could easily fire you for pretty much anything. True you could sue him for terminating your wrongfully, this pretty much requires convincing a judge that he did what you said he did. The NS forums mirror that principal perfectly, if an admin bans you wrongfully, you can take it to Flayra, and if you convince him your concerns are founded, it could mean big trouble for that admin (relitively speaking).
We don't call corporate systems facisms because: A) They are not countries and don't possess the grave responsabilty for livelyhood that countries do
B) An employee is always free to quit, his presence at the company is niether neccicary or forced, thus he is still free to speak, but must not say whatever he wants if he expects to remain employed there.
C) No one dies or spends time in prison for thier actions at the company, unless those actions break the law of the land (which is not controlled by the company)
Small scale models often do not reflect democratic principals, this is because democratic principals are inefficant on the small scale (imagine having family votes for when dinner is supposed to be started, and weather or not little jimmy should get time out for 10 minutes). The simple fact that there happens to be one man in charge of the NS forums on the total scale, does not establish the forums as a facist state.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
swiftspear got the rest of it right.
I was simply going on the line of:
Facist is one of those things you don't call people (especialy people who come from a background where facism MEANS something, to us Americans facism dosn't realy mean much). Its kinda along the lines of comparing some one to a Nazi. Yes, they might be cruel, intolerable, folow very stric rules, make very strict rules etc. You still don't call them a Nazi.
oh, and in asking why some one shouldn't compare the mods to facists is akin to saying: "hey he has a point, you guys are facists" Its a personal attack (something not alowed in theis section of the forum at all).
and for: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->don't retreat to how its so horrible HOW CAN YOU COMPARE- im talking about principles here. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seeing how as basicaly thats what I am doing (as I am saying it is just one of those things you don't do if you wana make your self look intelegent).
The principles behind the matter are also compleatly different. Secret police that make people 'disapear' does NOT equal, in any way shape or form, deleating a thread or banning some one.
If you can show any way that Facism is a good description of the Admins/Mods here, I will be impressed.
cmon, lets see it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
In no way are the mods facists! They may be strict, but facists they are definitely not.
However...
When I was a forum newbie; mr nem (I hope can mention your name?) locked my *very first* topic (I can't remember what it was, something about Cheating-Death). At the time I felt this was unfair :-& but now I've become more involved in the community I can see that it was perhaps superflous. Moral of the story? Mods; please check someone's post count before locking a topic; because it is *MOST* disheartining to have your VERY FIRST topic locked before even seeing the light of day. As a newbie at that time I was 'grrrrr fascists etc'.
I can imagine a lot of people joining the forums, not being fully conversant with forum etiqueite, having their topics locked and feeling annoyed; so perhaps a bit of leeway to newbie posters?
Secondly..
Some forums (such as Linuxmonster NS) have a junk (called in this case /dev/null) forum where all silly messages; moderator gripes can go without fear of breaking forum etiquette. Of course things like racism/sexism are still not allowed but perhaps the mods might moderate less stricter there?
Just my 2 cents (pence?)
EDIT: Topic was <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=50536&hl=cheating' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...536&hl=cheating</a> in case anyone is interested :-)
I must simply state, that I do not see these boards as overmoderated. I have almost never seen a lock I disagreed with, and in the case of any I did disagree with, a suitable pro-lock counter-argument was in place.
To quote Major Motoko Kusanagi (Kusanagi Motoko for those that prefer the Japanese Style)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are discontented with the System, change yourself! If you don't want that, close your eyes, shut your mouth, and live in isolation. And if you dont want that either... *Grinds gun into forehead*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Moderators Moderate, its their job. We have a better forum because of it.
Guys, i dont need a dictionary definition read back to me on fascism and capitalism.
Again, i said i was discussed the sole principles, not the effects of each system. If you cant understand that, please dont respond to me.
First off,
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Facist is one of those things you don't call people (especialy people who come from a background where facism MEANS something, to us Americans facism dosn't realy mean much). Its kinda along the lines of comparing some one to a Nazi. Yes, they might be cruel, intolerable, folow very stric rules, make very strict rules etc. You still don't call them a Nazi.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont care who I call a fascist, I would agree that its a derogatory term, but its not a racial slur etc..... its calling a spade a spade......lol who are you to say fascism means nothing to the Americans? It sure meant a hell lot more to us than the Axis powers in World War 2..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your second idea doesnt make sense at all. Of course if someone employs shady tactics, and censors people frequently, nazi or fascist would be a very appropriate term.
I take that back though, you are correct in that fascist is usually used in a government context.... not to mention Nazism is different that fascism. I guess from now on, nazi would be more appropriate.
I remember my first post...It was a thread just introducing myself to everyone (figuring it would be polite). Anyways, it was locked for spam. At the time I thought I did something wrong and I didn't post much for a while. heh...
Yeah, great isnt it? He finally moved on! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i remember when tale locked my first topic (and ~15 posts) in i&s yeah, that was spammeh and stuff
there's a "no no-content" rule that nem0 explained to me in a pm, after i asked him why he locked a post your desktop thread that i would like to bring to question, but that would put unnecessary strain on the mods and i have better things to do with my life then question forum moderation policies ... nj and all
(i think that the NSFRM has proven that the mods are not flay-coded, topic-locking, cray-powered (where else would consti payments go? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) forum/irc-bots of dewm that are bent on taking over the world)
<!--QuoteBegin-Bugler+Jun 18 2004, 12:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bugler @ Jun 18 2004, 12:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont care who I call a fascist, I would agree that its a derogatory term, but its not a racial slur etc..... its calling a spade a spade......lol who are you to say fascism means nothing to the Americans? It sure meant a hell lot more to us than the Axis powers in World War 2..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Except that facist is nearly always used as a value statement, meaning that the word means different things to different people. It's a little more like calling a stump a seat, it probably meets the symtoms of being a seat, and it could be used as a seat, but it is acctually a stump. Further more, is a seat something that was built so people could sit on? or is a seat simply any object that can be sat on? or if it lays somewhere inbetween, where do you draw the line? Depending on how rigidly or loosely we define "seat" we may find that our stump is both a "seat" and not a "seat".
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
bad analogy, I kinda see where you are going, however the actualy definition of seat is anywhere you sit <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
MY gripe (that Bugler just can't seem to get) is that making people disapear IRL vs banning people from a forum is a big difference. Facism has a definition, and it has also mutated some, however that mutation was specificly link it to people in history.
Now it is underoing another mutation, this one by people who don't actualy understand what it is about. It would kind of be like calling some one a nigg-er if they were black. Even if you didn't mean anything bad, it still has conotations in society.
<!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Jun 20 2004, 08:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Jun 20 2004, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> bad analogy, I kinda see where you are going, however the actualy definition of seat is anywhere you sit <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
MY gripe (that Bugler just can't seem to get) is that making people disapear IRL vs banning people from a forum is a big difference. Facism has a definition, and it has also mutated some, however that mutation was specificly link it to people in history.
Now it is underoing another mutation, this one by people who don't actualy understand what it is about. It would kind of be like calling some one a nigg-er if they were black. Even if you didn't mean anything bad, it still has conotations in society.
Yah Just don't Do It! (especialy in a discussion) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Firstly, what if I don't acctually sit on the stump, is it a seat then? what if I talk about sitting on it but don't? at what point is the stump definintively a seat and at what point is it purely a stump? The point is that the word doesn't describe an iron clad position of being, it's definition is somewhat fluid. Even if you are a facist, there are different levels of facism, you may not be very extream, or you may be hardcore.
Secondly, you can call a person a facist, it simply means that that person supports facism; or you can call a country a facism, facism is a way of ruling a nation or government. But neither definition can be effectivly applied to an organization, and if it is, it would reflect the goals of the organization and it's mission statement, but not the way it acctually governs itself. Since the NS forums are not, nor have a government, it can not be called a facism, and since the goals of the NS organization have nothing to do with the propagation of facism, it can not be called a facist organization.
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A discussion is defined as the exchange of peoples opinions by the means of arguments. If a post does not include arguments, it contradicts this forums purpose. Thus, I remove such posts. If you decide you do not wish to adhere to this form of communication of your opinion, very well - there's a reason people don't get suspended off the board when they violate this special forums rulesets - we acknowledge that this place has unusually high standards. Nonetheless, if you refuse to meet them, you should not be surprised to have your posts nuked.
It'd be ironic if Nemesis has to delete his own post repeated back at him. <span style='color:orange'>Taken care of.</span>
*sniff*
I look at it like this, really: These forums are the NS staff's house, and as such they can do what they want here. If you come into someone's house and start mouthing off at them, you're gonna get kicked out. It's their rules, and it's their way of enforcing them. You don't <b>need</b> to be here, and you lose nothing (really) if you're banned.
That said, each person does see the rules differently. There's been more than a few cases where i've seen one mod browsing a thread, then leave without doing anything, only for another to come and lock it. I suppose what Nem said is most true: They're human, and are subject to all the same flaws the rest of us are.
Only we don't get people angry at us when we screw up <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm particularly impressed with Nem's attitude. The others I haven't seen that much of.
what did they say? i bet nemesis put him to shame <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
now then.
that vs locking threads.
there is a big difference.
calling some one a facist is sorta up there in calling some one a nazi, its just aint a polite/good thing. (and remember the rule of internet debate, any one who compares the other side to nazis/hitler... loses)
As for the debate they wanted, not gona hapen (as Nem0 has said many times, there will be no public discusion of offensise etcs)
oh, and would you try and not flame so that this thread could STAY open?
fun side note:
Just realized that Bugler is one of blue's toadies (he became such after starting yet another thread on 'omg, admins are bad here')
nuff said.
What I wanted to know was, is it really that far out in left field to compare on one level secret police tactics of the 1930s with edits and distortions of peoples thoughts, not to mention completing erasing them, especially under the guise of "cleaning the environment".
Dont come back at me with some moronic response like "well in a fascism personal liberties are restricted, whereas this is only a private online forum..."
I know that- im talking about the ethics of such actions in an online forum.
I have no delusions about this being the same situation- since none of my real life liberties are threatened.
Im glad to see that anyone with a dissenting opinion is thrown into the desparaged group.
Its kinda like calling someone a traitor who doesnt think the USA should be in iraq lol
We don't call corporate systems facisms because:
A) They are not countries and don't possess the grave responsabilty for livelyhood that countries do
B) An employee is always free to quit, his presence at the company is niether neccicary or forced, thus he is still free to speak, but must not say whatever he wants if he expects to remain employed there.
C) No one dies or spends time in prison for thier actions at the company, unless those actions break the law of the land (which is not controlled by the company)
Small scale models often do not reflect democratic principals, this is because democratic principals are inefficant on the small scale (imagine having family votes for when dinner is supposed to be started, and weather or not little jimmy should get time out for 10 minutes). The simple fact that there happens to be one man in charge of the NS forums on the total scale, does not establish the forums as a facist state.
I was simply going on the line of:
Facist is one of those things you don't call people (especialy people who come from a background where facism MEANS something, to us Americans facism dosn't realy mean much).
Its kinda along the lines of comparing some one to a Nazi.
Yes, they might be cruel, intolerable, folow very stric rules, make very strict rules etc. You still don't call them a Nazi.
oh, and in asking why some one shouldn't compare the mods to facists is akin to saying: "hey he has a point, you guys are facists"
Its a personal attack (something not alowed in theis section of the forum at all).
and for:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->don't retreat to how its so horrible HOW CAN YOU COMPARE- im talking about principles here. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seeing how as basicaly thats what I am doing (as I am saying it is just one of those things you don't do if you wana make your self look intelegent).
The principles behind the matter are also compleatly different.
Secret police that make people 'disapear' does NOT equal, in any way shape or form, deleating a thread or banning some one.
If you can show any way that Facism is a good description of the Admins/Mods here, I will be impressed.
cmon, lets see it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
In no way are the mods facists! They may be strict, but facists they are definitely not.
However...
When I was a forum newbie; mr nem (I hope can mention your name?) locked my *very first* topic (I can't remember what it was, something about Cheating-Death). At the time I felt this was unfair :-& but now I've become more involved in the community I can see that it was perhaps superflous. Moral of the story? Mods; please check someone's post count before locking a topic; because it is *MOST* disheartining to have your VERY FIRST topic locked before even seeing the light of day. As a newbie at that time I was 'grrrrr fascists etc'.
I can imagine a lot of people joining the forums, not being fully conversant with forum etiqueite, having their topics locked and feeling annoyed; so perhaps a bit of leeway to newbie posters?
Secondly..
Some forums (such as Linuxmonster NS) have a junk (called in this case /dev/null) forum where all silly messages; moderator gripes can go without fear of breaking forum etiquette. Of course things like racism/sexism are still not allowed but perhaps the mods might moderate less stricter there?
Just my 2 cents (pence?)
EDIT: Topic was <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=50536&hl=cheating' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...536&hl=cheating</a> in case anyone is interested :-)
To quote Major Motoko Kusanagi (Kusanagi Motoko for those that prefer the Japanese Style)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are discontented with the System, change yourself! If you don't want that, close your eyes, shut your mouth, and live in isolation. And if you dont want that either...
*Grinds gun into forehead*<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Moderators Moderate, its their job.
We have a better forum because of it.
Again, i said i was discussed the sole principles, not the effects of each system. If you cant understand that, please dont respond to me.
First off,
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Facist is one of those things you don't call people (especialy people who come from a background where facism MEANS something, to us Americans facism dosn't realy mean much).
Its kinda along the lines of comparing some one to a Nazi.
Yes, they might be cruel, intolerable, folow very stric rules, make very strict rules etc. You still don't call them a Nazi.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont care who I call a fascist, I would agree that its a derogatory term, but its not a racial slur etc..... its calling a spade a spade......lol who are you to say fascism means nothing to the Americans? It sure meant a hell lot more to us than the Axis powers in World War 2..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Your second idea doesnt make sense at all. Of course if someone employs shady tactics, and censors people frequently, nazi or fascist would be a very appropriate term.
I take that back though, you are correct in that fascist is usually used in a government context.... not to mention Nazism is different that fascism. I guess from now on, nazi would be more appropriate.
But, enough arguing over a word.....-
yeah, that was spammeh and stuff
there's a "no no-content" rule that nem0 explained to me in a pm, after i asked him why he locked a post your desktop thread that i would like to bring to question, but that would put unnecessary strain on the mods and i have better things to do with my life then question forum moderation policies ... nj and all
(i think that the NSFRM has proven that the mods are not flay-coded, topic-locking, cray-powered (where else would consti payments go? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) forum/irc-bots of dewm that are bent on taking over the world)
Except that facist is nearly always used as a value statement, meaning that the word means different things to different people. It's a little more like calling a stump a seat, it probably meets the symtoms of being a seat, and it could be used as a seat, but it is acctually a stump. Further more, is a seat something that was built so people could sit on? or is a seat simply any object that can be sat on? or if it lays somewhere inbetween, where do you draw the line? Depending on how rigidly or loosely we define "seat" we may find that our stump is both a "seat" and not a "seat".
MY gripe (that Bugler just can't seem to get) is that making people disapear IRL vs banning people from a forum is a big difference. Facism has a definition, and it has also mutated some, however that mutation was specificly link it to people in history.
Now it is underoing another mutation, this one by people who don't actualy understand what it is about.
It would kind of be like calling some one a nigg-er if they were black. Even if you didn't mean anything bad, it still has conotations in society.
Yah Just don't Do It! (especialy in a discussion)
MY gripe (that Bugler just can't seem to get) is that making people disapear IRL vs banning people from a forum is a big difference. Facism has a definition, and it has also mutated some, however that mutation was specificly link it to people in history.
Now it is underoing another mutation, this one by people who don't actualy understand what it is about.
It would kind of be like calling some one a nigg-er if they were black. Even if you didn't mean anything bad, it still has conotations in society.
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Firstly, what if I don't acctually sit on the stump, is it a seat then? what if I talk about sitting on it but don't? at what point is the stump definintively a seat and at what point is it purely a stump? The point is that the word doesn't describe an iron clad position of being, it's definition is somewhat fluid. Even if you are a facist, there are different levels of facism, you may not be very extream, or you may be hardcore.
Secondly, you can call a person a facist, it simply means that that person supports facism; or you can call a country a facism, facism is a way of ruling a nation or government. But neither definition can be effectivly applied to an organization, and if it is, it would reflect the goals of the organization and it's mission statement, but not the way it acctually governs itself. Since the NS forums are not, nor have a government, it can not be called a facism, and since the goals of the NS organization have nothing to do with the propagation of facism, it can not be called a facist organization.