Glow Effect In Ns

Satertek · June 2004

Looks awesome.

Diablus · June 2004

and you wonder why Flayra doesn't post in the NS forums often, because after he posts 10 people decide to add a comment of "OMG OLOL FLAYRA U ARE MY HERO!111 OGM HE POSTED!111 I LUB j00 FOR3V3r!11" and <span style='color:white'>Dodge this.</span> comments like that which wont get you anywhere but cause more spam in a topic <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

-.-

on a on topic note, i really cant wait to use this. Great find, itll be awesome in game. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Soylent_green · June 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I wanna dl this as soon as i get home and try it out, looks promising, maybe it could give me back that atmospheric feel, however if this were added to NS specifically it would give mappers alot mroe control over mapping (such as adding specific lights that do glow and others that dont.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

No it wouldn't, you cannot controll which lights glow and which doesn't with this, this is just brightness based. If you want to do that you use glow sprites.

Stakhanov · July 2004

Heh , I have to admit , should Flayra port the glow mod to NS that would make up for a year long silence in S&I <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Sops · July 2004

that would be nice, keep in mind there are alot of people who play half-life who's computer can barely run HL as it is

Stakhanov · July 2004

My poor fossilized graphic card can't even run the "low-spec" version , so it seems I'll have to upgrade my PC to keep playing HL1 <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

Sven Coop already has the "MADWHACK" physics , how long until we can run ut2k4 maps on HL1 ?

Guspaz · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Jun 30 2004, 12:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I wanna dl this as soon as i get home and try it out, looks promising, maybe it could give me back that atmospheric feel, however if this were added to NS specifically it would give mappers alot mroe control over mapping (such as adding specific lights that do glow and others that dont.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

No it wouldn't, you cannot controll which lights glow and which doesn't with this, this is just brightness based. If you want to do that you use glow sprites.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Soylent! You're Teh Leet Expart, if anybody can port the shaders to ATI's language it's you!

RicHSAD · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guspaz @ Jul 1 2004, 02:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Soylent! You're Teh Leet Expart, if anybody can port the shaders to ATI's language it's you!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Make a thread about it on <a href='http://www.rage3d.com' target='_blank'>Rage3d</a> or <a href='http://www.driverheaven.net/' target='_blank'>Driverheaven</a> and I'm sure someone will try to do it. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

matchbox · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Jul 1 2004, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> kinda wish flayra would give feedback on something that affects the game, not the graphics =/  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
hey man, atmosphere comes before everything! **** gameplay, its most likely the least important factor.

RicHSAD · July 2004

I somehow consider the atmosphere as a gameplay aspect of NS ... too bad most of it is gone now.

Jean_Luc_Picard · July 2004

I wonder if my lil graphics driver (chugging along merrily at a nice 40 FPS normaly) could handle this... 0o'

and is there a way to use this in normal NS play?

JediYoshi · July 2004

Nope, has to be coded into the mod itself.

Windelkron · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flayra @ Jun 29 2004, 06:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Wicked stuff. Definitely something to consider adding to NS!  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
pwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn!

(back from boston today)

Guspaz · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RicHSAD @ Jul 1 2004, 09:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Guspaz @ Jul 1 2004, 02:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Soylent! You're Teh Leet Expart, if anybody can port the shaders to ATI's language it's you!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Make a thread about it on <a href='http://www.rage3d.com' target='_blank'>Rage3d</a> or <a href='http://www.driverheaven.net/' target='_blank'>Driverheaven</a> and I'm sure someone will try to do it. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I have one in the R3D 3D-Coders forum, but that forum only gets about 2 posts per month. I suppose I should try DH too.

Guspaz · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JediYoshi @ Jul 2 2004, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Nope, has to be coded into the mod itself.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Read the thread. No, it doesn't have to be coded into the mod itself, there are ways to use it in NS if somebody would just port the shaders to ATI's language.

Fina · July 2004

Someone ask about porting the shader on the Rage3d forums. It's an ATI-geared forum that has ATI staff reading the forums. Someone there reprogrammed shaders in ATI's Ruby demo so it would work on other hardware.

Guspaz · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fina @ Jul 3 2004, 05:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Someone ask about porting the shader on the Rage3d forums. It's an ATI-geared forum that has ATI staff reading the forums. Someone there reprogrammed shaders in ATI's Ruby demo so it would work on other hardware.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
OK, now I know some people might not want to read this whole thread, but for pete's sake, I posted one post above yours that <b>I had already asked on the Rage3D forums</b>!!!

Soylent_green · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Soylent! You're Teh Leet Expart, if anybody can port the shaders to ATI's language it's you!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Hardly <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />.

I'm not sure you can use smartshaders to do this, but if you want a place to start you might <a href='http://www.driverheaven.net/smartshader/' target='_blank'>look here</a>.

I'm gonna give it a try, but I'm very doubtfull that I will get it working as intended.

Guspaz · July 2004

Cool. Remember that if you're using the version of the SmartShader loader posted on that DriverHeaven page you linked to, you must be using Catalyst 4.2. If you're using the newer version posted on Beyond3D (I think it was), you have to be using Catalyst 4.3.

Soylent_green · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Remember that if you're using the version of the SmartShader loader posted on that DriverHeaven page you linked to, you must be using Catalyst 4.2. If you're using the newer version posted on Beyond3D (I think it was), you have to be using Catalyst 4.3.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Just use winrar/winzip to extract the atioglxx.dl_ from the 4.2 catalyst installer, start->run->cmd-> navigate to the correct directory and type "expand atioglxx.dl_ atioglxx.dll". Backup and replace your openGL driver in windows/system32 with the new one and you can swap back when your done. Actually, I'm using the 3.6's openGL driver and the 4.2's controll panel and d3d driver, so all I had to do was replace the atioglxx.dll with my back up of the 4.2's.

Soylent_green · July 2004

Bolted togheter some example shaders and did a little messing about and made a few(unrelated and silly) shaders that try to emulate the way you see things when you dream(blurry, ghosting, overbrightened, allmost black and white with very little reds in particular.). nr 3 looks most realistic IMO. You'd get pretty much slaughtered if you dared play with these in a real game though.

Crono5 · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>We know the effect does not work on Radeon 9200s.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> HOLY HELL, YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING.

I finally get a new card, and BOOF.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The best effect is in the bast lava... as seen here:</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> I'm afraid I'd have to disagree and say the best effects go to Hera, as I'll demonstrate in a screenshot series I've entitled "<a href='http://demon.x5788.net/storage/' target='_blank'>OMFGHERASEX</a>"

I used the low-spec precompiled .DLLs from VERC.

Narfwak · July 2004

Is it just me, or are those screens too dark to see much of anything?

Anyway, my favourite area would have to be the lava outside furnace hive in ns_origin. I don't have any screens, but hey - you (and by you, I mean <i>you</i>) should have this installed already, so go check it out yourself.

RyoOhki · July 2004

Man I can't believe I only found out about this now. This looks incredibly awesome. Hope it's a toggleable option in the next version of NS.

*hugs Geforce 4 ti4200*

SillyGoose · July 2004

do shaders work on the cat 4.6s? I have a 9600 so Im DX9 compliant but I cant seem to get the shaders solyvent posted to work.

Align · July 2004

I wonder if it works on my GeForce 3.

Soylent_green · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SillyGoose)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>do shaders work on the cat 4.6s? I have a 9600 so Im DX9 compliant but I cant seem to get the shaders solyvent posted to work.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Remember that if you're using the version of the SmartShader loader posted on that DriverHeaven page you linked to, you must be using Catalyst 4.2. If you're using the newer version posted on Beyond3D (I think it was), you have to be using Catalyst 4.3.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Just use winrar/winzip to extract the atioglxx.dl_ from the 4.2 catalyst installer, start->run->cmd-> navigate to the correct directory and type "expand atioglxx.dl_ atioglxx.dll". Backup and replace your openGL driver in windows/system32 with the new one and you can swap back when your done. Actually, I'm using the 3.6's openGL driver and the 4.2's controll panel and d3d driver, so all I had to do was replace the atioglxx.dll with my back up of the 4.2's.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Unless you want to experiment with smartshaders it's possibly a bit too much trouble for some really weird shaders.

SillyGoose · July 2004

so ATI removed smartshaders? Doesnt make since to me.

Guspaz · July 2004

No, they didn't remove it. They just haven't updated the loader program to work with the newer versions of the drivers.

Soylent: You can do that... or you can do the same thing with the 4.3 OGL driver and use the newer version of the loader <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

I'm using Omega's 4.6 drivers, which have an option (that I'm using) to install an older OGL driver that is faster for Half-Life. I'd guess it's somewhere between 4.1 and 4.3, probably 4.2. If it turns out to be 4.2 or 4.3, Omega's drivers might be the easiest way to get the loader to work without manual tweaking.

BTW, nice progress on messing with shaders, look forward to your next creations <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Soylent_green · July 2004

Got it sort of working, but it eats lots of memory for some reason and starts using the HDD in a few minutes. Even the blur shader by the catalyst team does. So either smart shaders that use temporary surfaces don't work properly with this loader and 4.2's or it's a problem with half-life and smartshaders in particular or it is a problem on my end.

I'm going to try with the 4.3's and the newer loader and try it with quake 3 or something to see if it's HL specific.

Tron.pss is the interesting one to try.

Glow Effect In Ns

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