[wip] Triple Barrel Shottie

Evil_Ice · July 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">let teh ugliness begin</div> Ok, its quite bit uglier than I envisioned it being, but I'll let yall be the judge, its has 3 alternating barrels, for added barrel venting, in really heated shottie combat, even though technically its not necessary, I thought I could try for something more original that doing another spas or usas or saiga shottie ya know <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottie01.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
it is still pump action, but now the pump also rotates the whole barrel assmembly on its guide ring, which you will see is tracked onto the pump handle, its kind of a neat concept, not one of my best, but its ok, and it also makes for a mean looking hand cannon, although ugly... and made in milkshape...
anyway, tell me what yall think so far... is it worth continuing to work on?

Thief · July 2004

I like the idea, and I see what you are going for, and this early on it doesnt look half bad to me <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

The only wierd looking parts to me are... well.. everything behind the shell ejection port (I like the barrels) I see that the barrels have been your focus and they look cool, but the stock and whole rear-portion of the gun looks all fat and bulbous... but seems like that could be fixed easy enough <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Crunder · July 2004

it looks like something from the mod Scientist Hunt....

good model though <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Evil_Ice · July 2004

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /> come on people more responces, needs more constructive criticism, so far all I've got is that some one thinks the stock portion looks too chubby <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />
more sshots to determine is needed possibly?
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottie02.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottie03.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottieAnim1.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
that last one is a 2 frame gif of the pump action concept, it is not in any way the actual pump animation... its just a concept, so don't flame the the animation <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />
[edit: fixed double post of same image]

StarStarGrizzly · July 2004

the trigger gaurd+trigger are a bit small. And the handle is a bit fat. It doesnt seem very ergodynamic. The handle should probly be a bit longer too. You should probly connect that ring to the barrels. Hope its the c&c u wanted <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />

zwing · July 2004

how will it reload? hmm those animations remind me of my nerf ball gun, will you just put ammo inside of the barrel just like the nerf gun or is it gonna be like the defaults?

Evil_Ice · July 2004

very similar to the defaults, but farther forward, as you can see from the first set sshot, there is a reciever port on the bottom of the gun, on the forward portion of the grip, before the pump, and yes, it does remind me of a nerf ballzooka now that you mention it

Evil_Ice · July 2004

Well, I'm guessing having more than a 10:1 view to responce ratio, no one has any opinion? Is that a hint that I shouldn't care to work on it any more and just scrap it or what? Come on people <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottie04.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Drfuzzy · July 2004

umm, planetside scatter max! D: lol

Black_Viper · July 2004

How will the casings eject? Whos skinning it?
GJ keep up the great work...

Since you put it that way, the pump part looks like a water gun pump, may be a model, but looks like id snap...

[Edit] Ub3r fat fingers!!!

Evil_Ice · July 2004

Most of the reason it looks so thin, is because, by default the top barrel leaves the other 3, in triangle formation, up some off of it, if were flipped upside down all that negative space would be filled, but if I don't leave that much space the barrels can't rotate when pumped... and as for stability, its got the ring around those 3 barrels for added support, if you can stap it attached to 3 barrels, you don't need weapons
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /> > <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /> ...
[edit: forgot to respond to this part
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>How will the casings eject? Whos skinning it?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Well, I really hate it when people only view the last few sshots, you see in the first sshot that ejection port on the right side of the gun? right where it should be? Yeah, the shell casings will come out of the ejection port, that is there and included in the first sshot <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />
as for skinning, I probably will be, why do you assume some one else will be?]

rabbity · July 2004

if all three are barrels, where would the tube magazine be? :o

CaptainPanaka · July 2004

I say add a drum mag and make it a GL <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

Evil_Ice · July 2004

Yes, the internal tube mag is cyclical, similiar design to that of the G11's cyclical feeding cylinder, the shells are loaded backwards, as you can probably see from the screenshots there is no room for them to be loaded like a normal shottie, the tube runs backwards and met by a cylinder which grabs and rotates them to the appropriate barrel chamber, yes this leaves more room for error, and more room for malfunction, but last I checked this was a sci fi mod anyway... the nanites do it... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

TheUdderOne · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> if all three are barrels, where would the tube magazine be? :o</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yes, the internal tube mag is cyclical, similiar design to that of the G11's cyclical feeding cylinder, the shells are loaded backwards, as you can probably see from the screenshots there is no room for them to be loaded like a normal shottie, the tube runs backwards and met by a cylinder which grabs and rotates them to the appropriate barrel chambe</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

owned!

Yeah i like the general principle...but it does need a bit of remodelling to generally make the weapon "flow" a bit more...it looks like sum boxes shoved together...u'r other models looks great (the ones in the converted fa ones thread) but this needs remodelling.

Its a very interesting concept tho...

Evil_Ice · July 2004

Indeed, it needs some fixing, but then again, all my works looked like **** from the start, and got better with time, and with textures <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />
You shoulda seen that pretty LongColt model in its earliest stages... ew... and that lightsaber looked like a baseball bat mixed with a ... female pleasuring device...
::pwnd the censoringness!::

I just need more feedback on what precisely people want to see, so I can fix it, usually in the FA forums all people had was negative feedback, and most of that wasn't even constructive criticism it was just "you suck" or "that's fugging ugly I'd never use it!" you know, that kind of motivation stuff...

TheUdderOne · July 2004

Some people are just born to annoy us...

Yes so if u want me to be more accurate....

could you add a bump for the grip on the sides, it depends on skinning ability...but i would like to see it modelled in....

also, general rounding on the handle...to make it look like its ergonomically designed.

Hunt round on google for sum pictures of ghost ring sights and whack them on.

also, change the straight cylinders to ones with 18 sides and one section. that way u get the roundess with a less polys.

Ghost rings:

<img src='http://www.arotek.com/Articles/GhostRingBlack.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://www.arotek.com/Articles/GhstRng.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Evil_Ice · July 2004

something you missed in that edit, is "18" I think you meant "8"
But I understand wat you mean, to get a round look just use the smoothing, and I may hollow out the barrels soon <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />
I amy even have some real creative fun with the barrels since they are rotated... I can see it now.. making the fire animations longer... and addning in a kind of idle animation after the actual firing animation, sync up the first part of the firing animation, then add in some idle time after it, so its still synced but with an added play time if you don't fire again... and I can model on some smoke sprites so the barrel that was just fired and is now rotated could smoke <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />
and I bet that kind of neat effect would draw attention away from the **** stock and handle <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />
[edit: forgot to add, about the 8 sided cylinders.. heh, they already are 8 sided 1 piece cylinders, I fool you!]

TheUdderOne · July 2004

meh i meant 18...i was just generally saying keep it rounded...i don't know if they already are 18 sided...but if not they should be.

Evil_Ice · July 2004

18 sided cylinders for barrels?<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />? I could understand understand if it was something like a rocket launcher tube or something, but 8 sides on a cylinder should never be needed, thats just a waste of polies, right now they are octagonal, but the game engine DOES support smooth shading, and that more than covers for the 8 sided octagonal smoothing making them look round, dunno why you'd wanna waste polies on 18 sided cylinders... thats 4 polies per side, times 3 barrels, which is 72 polies a barrel x 3 is 216 polies for solid cylinders?? craziness I tell you!
If I feel like wasting polies on the barrels it will be hollowing them out or something...
216 polies vs my current 96 polies... preposturous! That's 2.25 times more!
enough cylinder ranting... here's a slightly updated picture:
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottie05.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I took a few in flat shaded mode so you could see some of the less noticed details that are masked over in smooth shaded without a texture on them, crappy ms3d rendering <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />

DEATH_BRINGER · July 2004

looks cool i'd use it

Arctic_Banana · July 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DR_FUZZY @ Jul 12 2004, 11:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> umm, planetside scatter max! D: lol  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
More like the noobhammer <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

PS - Planetside rox

Evil_Ice · July 2004

OK, so I made the handle look more "comfortable" ... it really isn't any different except for the spike I added to the back of the handle, but that little thumb horn seems to be all it takes some times to get a much more aesthetically pleasing and comfortable look I guess <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' />
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottie06.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
C&C always welcome, except when its negative and pointless, in which case, its not... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />

Arctic_Banana · July 2004

me likes <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

if it gets a good skin and has decent animation,it would rock.Noobhammer time,NS style <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Evil_Ice · July 2004

You better plan on some neat animations, I plan on doing some really weird and yet complex animations for this bad boy <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />
but they will be very unique <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />
I hollowed out the barrels, and I must say, I think it looks ALOT better now with hollow barrels:
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottie07.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Sid · July 2004

Dang! Thats looking really good.

Although, the trigger looks like it would impale your index finger. =/

Jasp · July 2004

Im not sure if this is of much use to you since your model is mostly complete but details on a real life tri-barrel shotgun can be found here.

<a href='http://www.gunshop.com/fanzoj.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.gunshop.com/fanzoj.htm</a>

Jean_Luc_Picard · July 2004

You made me poop myself!

AAWWWWWSSSOOOMMMEE

Though, it leaves me to wonder... why didn't hte TSA come up with this? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

and... can I fire all 3 barelles at the same time? SKULK SOUP!

Evil_Ice · July 2004

Ok, here's an update,
1) no its alternating barrels, it won't fire all 3 at once
2) ... here's a new pic:
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottie08.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://clanrra.com/uploads/NSNewShottieAnim2.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
animation too!
as you can see I bulked up the pump, lengthened the guide ring, and made a few more improvements, I finally think its starting to shape up, but its not really my opinion that matters, tell me what YOU all think
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' />

CaptainPanaka · July 2004

nice <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

But I still want this to be a GL D:
Maybe with a 4th barrel...? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />

MrSnapple · July 2004

I likes it <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

Heres a planetside movie that may help you explain a tri barrel shottys behavior.
<a href='http://www.planetsidemovies.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=209' target='_blank'>http://www.planetsidemovies.com/modules.ph...p=getit&lid=209</a>

<img src='http://www.phantomphoenix.com/Planetside/NC-Jackhammer.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[wip] Triple Barrel Shottie

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