Smack-talk
RyoOhki
Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">An undesireable trend</div> I'd like to start by saying that I don't mind Combat. In fact currently I play it a lot more than Classic because I find Classic so woefully unbalanced. But that's my opinion and this is not the place to discuss balance.
What I have noticed is an alarming increase in "smack-talk". Comments like "Focus is so lame" , "Shotguns are so lame" , "Stupid no-skill lerks spam-gassing" , "Jetpack-shotgun is so unskilled". Bad language being directed towards other players. Derogatory referances to the "lameness" of certain weapons (and apparently any weapon used for killing is lame, from the knife to parasite). Abusing other players because of aforesaid lameness.
I've been playing since 1.0 and it's only with the arrival of Combat that I've seen a marked increase in "smack-talk". Sadly it seems that some people have entered into the community and brought this trend with them. And it has been passed on. Whereas previous to the arrival of Classic it would be rare to see smack-talk, it has now become much more commonplace.
To give an example: lerks. In Classic, prior to Combat's arrival, players rarely questioned the skill of a lerk gassing groups of marines. The alien was performing a strategic purpose; softening up the marines for their team-mates. Good marine teams would act quickly and attempt to neutralise the threat posed by the lerk, rarely if ever saying comments like "You skilless noob gassing from a vent".
Try the same thing in Combat, as I often do, and you'll get a hail of abuse. Despite the fact that <i>you are doing exactly the same thing</i> . You are strategically helping your team by softening up the marines. Yet whereas players in Classic prior to the arrival of Combat seemed to understand this, in Combat it's simply labeled as "lame" and "unskilled". Sadly, this trend is migrating across to Classic with the players moving from Combat to Classic.
This trend has to be discouraged. As NS continues to develop it will attract more people from varied communities, and this is a good thing. What's not a good thing is negative aspects like smack-talk. NS is all about strategy and teamwork, not individual skill and abusive language. So next time you're on an NS server and you see someone start up with smack-talk, don't join in.
What I have noticed is an alarming increase in "smack-talk". Comments like "Focus is so lame" , "Shotguns are so lame" , "Stupid no-skill lerks spam-gassing" , "Jetpack-shotgun is so unskilled". Bad language being directed towards other players. Derogatory referances to the "lameness" of certain weapons (and apparently any weapon used for killing is lame, from the knife to parasite). Abusing other players because of aforesaid lameness.
I've been playing since 1.0 and it's only with the arrival of Combat that I've seen a marked increase in "smack-talk". Sadly it seems that some people have entered into the community and brought this trend with them. And it has been passed on. Whereas previous to the arrival of Classic it would be rare to see smack-talk, it has now become much more commonplace.
To give an example: lerks. In Classic, prior to Combat's arrival, players rarely questioned the skill of a lerk gassing groups of marines. The alien was performing a strategic purpose; softening up the marines for their team-mates. Good marine teams would act quickly and attempt to neutralise the threat posed by the lerk, rarely if ever saying comments like "You skilless noob gassing from a vent".
Try the same thing in Combat, as I often do, and you'll get a hail of abuse. Despite the fact that <i>you are doing exactly the same thing</i> . You are strategically helping your team by softening up the marines. Yet whereas players in Classic prior to the arrival of Combat seemed to understand this, in Combat it's simply labeled as "lame" and "unskilled". Sadly, this trend is migrating across to Classic with the players moving from Combat to Classic.
This trend has to be discouraged. As NS continues to develop it will attract more people from varied communities, and this is a good thing. What's not a good thing is negative aspects like smack-talk. NS is all about strategy and teamwork, not individual skill and abusive language. So next time you're on an NS server and you see someone start up with smack-talk, don't join in.
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Plus, these players don't seem to know you actually need skill to use these "lame" weapons... (miss when you hve a shotgun or focus and you're often screwed)
In 3.0 we have alot more things like, one hit kill, both sides now have a wallhack, plus, since it's in beta, there are alot of exploitable bugs to go around...I've played on the same server since 1.04's release, and the people that I used to play with and always have a good time sometimes storm off the server in frustration because of various things...It might not be things like weapons, but just the environment of NS combined with other games to make it so it's much, much easier to get mad, or frustrated, in a regular game of NS...Especially Co.
I think it's only half the actual players attitude, and the other half the fact that you can't even blame them for being ****...
If I'm fading (a skill I'm still mastering) and get owned by 2 shotties, I expect to see a "pwned" or "lol" come back from my killers. My performance was embarassing. Would I prefer not seeing anything? Of course but, a little good natured ribbing doesn't hurt much.
What I find happening now, is people who don't know/understand the counters that are naturally in the game complaining about Focus, Cloaking or any of the other abilities that have been put in the game. To an extent it's because of the initial "cheapness" factor that was prevelant in the initial builds of CO and people never adjusted to the change in Focus et all from build to build.
I'm not sure what can be done beyond saying to the people that are here on the forums, set a good example.. Don't trash-talk and see if we can swing the balance the other way.
-Z
That's just because they're happy they managed to kill a fade.
perhaps the tip that has been proposed hundred times before: get regular on a server <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
that might help
i personally am playing in a clanenvironment and not in "real" pubs and there is not much to complain about even if there will be some remarks and comments too <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Bad language being directed towards other players. Derogatory referances to the "lameness" of certain weapons (and apparently any weapon used for killing is lame, from the knife to parasite).
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Well, that pretty much sums it up. Every weapon that is used to kill a player might be considered lame by him. I've seen anything from "Xenocide noob" (I still find xenocide to be one of the most fun parts of NS and consider being able to avoid the fire of 4 marines and blow up right in front of them a good performance) over "shotgun imp" (Those who played UT1 a lot might know the term "Flakimp" <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->) to the all time favorite "focus lamer". Some people just seem to
As Zunni already pointed out, especially in combat this "smack talk" usually results in a missing understanding of counters, no awareness of balance changes (for exaple still calling focus a "cheap" tactic when it's cost was upped) and/or the use of a "standard" techtree that does not cope with certain "lame" tactics on the other side. Some people should try and think about using Scan once in a while instead of getting another weapon upgrade and whinning about a cloaker killing you for ther 23159th time this round. Or they might even consider getting an armor upgrade early in the game so they don't die to focus all the time and leave the server crying "bloody focus lamers".
just my 2 (?-)cents
/Hyper
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The general "smack talk" around servers does get annoying, however. I don't personally mind insults and accusations flying around inside a group of friends, because hey, we're friends and no one reall means it, it's just for a laugh. But when you get "sKuLkKiLlAh911" calling you a stupid freaking focus noob because you managed to dodge his HMG and get down a corridoor to bite him, it does get annoying.
Saying that the simplest responses seem to work. If someone calls me a focus nub, i just say something short and to the point like "Get armour then", or "Get scan then", It seems to shut them up as they don't really have a leg to stand on.
One thing is to separate the people being friendly and poking fun at other people and then the people that are just being plain nasty.
As for me, I sometimes add a little =) or an =P , since I don't want people to take it wrong.
I had all my force power shortcutted to specific keys, I could take his weapon, then blind him, then kill him with just 3 button clicks... and everytime this happened, he'd whine that I was exploiting and cheating. "It's in the game, it's a natural force power, you have them too"... yet it would go on the same all the time.
Everytime we played, I had to make a new allowance for him "ok, no weapon steal"... "ok, no blinding"... "ok, not lightning"... "no force jump"... "no force seeing"... "no death choke"... AAAAGGGHHH why don't we just play Doom if you're gonna whine about all the elements of having the force in the game, especially since he was free to use those powers too. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ANYway, yeah, I noticed the same thing the other night on combat. I was a skulk... and this one marine-clanner was my first kill in the match, hadn't evolved any upgrades yet... I just jumped down from a vent and killed him. Next thing I see on the screen "****ing cloak nub". Anyway, I made another kill and got my first upgrade... cloaking, always my first choice in combat. Saw a marine coming in through the backdoor to the hive, killed him, turned out to be the same guy again, then again "****ing cloak nub camper"... so I developed my next skill, as always, silence. Again, he was my next kill again "you stupid nub alien, can't even kill properly" so I replied "stupid nub marine, can't even kill anything". Killed some more marines, then again I killed this guy, message popped up "nub focus lamer"... I replied "I don't even use focus" (seriously I hate it, I hate having a slow bite, i prefer having 3-4 rapid ones of a lower power to one slow higher-powered one) to which I got the reply "only nubs don't use focus". <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ok, anyway, the aliens smoked the marines, so if people have a problem with the regular playing-abilities in a game, then go play another game.
I think it was more for change..
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It's getting really annoying. You go to play Aliens and you can't do anything without some damn whiner bitching about everything you do. Sure, I use cloak and silence, but that's to stay alive. I'm usally always Skulk cause I'm not the best player..
Take when I played Angst. I killed some guy and then he started freaking out, he got kicked, came back, started insulting me again. "elimniatior of solus is a claokeing camper nebw" That's what he said almost exactly. <_<
If people are seriously gunna argue about the skills that you can have in the game, go play something else like HL. No skill atributes there.
Simple solution: Ignore smack talk directed at yourself and congratulate others to their good kills. Be a good sport. Set an example. Make a difference.
This guy was an onos. Several people were shooting at him, he killed them, then I begun to chase him with a shotgun... He was running away, walked on a mine, let me fire the whole clip and then finally died...
And now the typical sentence: ^^
:S
Failure to take into account other people's opinion of you is not always a good thing. Besides, it's not fun being continuously raped by one player over and over; especially with one bite/shot weapons.
NS is for fun; theirs as well as yours. A "good" player not only plays well, but will swich teams from winnning to loosing just for the sake of it. Heck, you get far more prestige if you then continue to turn the game around and crush your former alies. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Why do you think they added Combat? Right! So all these Smacktards had a place to argue on, while the good and friendly NS people could play Classic undisturbed.
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Give that man a cookeh.
Still, I find that idiots can be dealt with quickly on CO (amx_ban, as has been said, works wonders,) and the general CO comunity is not as bad as it may seem. Often you get people who are willing to be co-ordinated into a team. This inevitably leads into a much more fun game; communication and teamwork give a sense of responsibility and purpose. This makes the less-good players feel important too, and so enjoy the game more.
In short:
Smacktards exist, but can be dealt with
Be nice, even to smacktards. Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity, remember?
Find a nice servercommunity and stick with it. (*Cough*, 213.228.215.163:27015, *cough* <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
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Sneaky firestorm, posting b4 me:
lol m8. Still, you may want to remove the ... "bad" word from the pick. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Good example though.
Rennex is right. That is why I don't care what people think of me on the internet.
So rennex, are you proud of me? Please be proud of me, I need you to think well of me.
The thing is, some people(I'll go out on a limb here and say myself definately) just don't put up with it. I dunno- may its just that I've got the balls to say something, but others tell me to just put up with it. Thats like saying someone insulting your mother is just something to put up with- No, it isn't. Frankly, I'm just the kind of guy that's been raised to believe you act to a certain level, NO MATTER WHERE, and those that obstruct something with no respect to those around deserve a good beat, whether physically, or in this case, verbally.
In case you wanna see what is going to happen to you, go
<a href='http://www.pwned.nl' target='_blank'>www.pwned.nl</a>
Good sir, I applaud you.
Some people that live today don't want to or have to deal with people who speak poorly of others due to their own skills (or lack thereof). Some people believe that if you act responsibly, respectfully, and in a manner deserving of praise, that you should not be abused or insulted. I agree with this, and though I may not be able to say so as eloquently, I AM capable of quoting.