Onos -- I Just Don't Get Them
HavoK
Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3698Members
Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3698Members
<div class="IPBDescription">My onos all die within seconds to HMGs</div> I have come to the conclusion that Onos are a waste of RPs. Let me give you some examples.
<b>Example 1:</b>
I do not recall the map name, but it is the map with all of the breakable glass, and with the Mess Hall located just past the human start (which also has breakable glass).
Our alien team had control of the Mess Hall (and the rest of the map). I was an Onos standing on top of the table in the Mess hall that is closest to door leading to the human base. We had 3 defensive chambers, 2 offensive chambers, and the Resource Tower in there. I had Level 3 Carapace, Level 3 Scent of Fear, and Level 3 Adrenaline.
The door was closed, and I was on the table facing it. About 3 steps away.
We hear the door beep, and it opens to reveal 1 Heavy + HMG, 1 marine + HMG, and 1 marine + LMG. They open fire on me (I'm right in front of them), and I click charge. There were no other humans nearby. No grenades. No turrets.
I was dead before I got through the door. Yep, they took me out in about 3 steps. I was shocked. And apparently they were too, as a couple of them apolgized and said that I was "ripped". I really wonder if there isn't a bug with the HMG sometimes. I have been insta-gibbed as a Fade also (not that they have much health, but one burst should not gib).
<b>Example 2:</b>
Getting insta-gibbed the first time did not deter me, so I grabbed another Onos. This time I chose the same upgrades, switching out Adrenaline for Celerity. Hopefully I would at least reach them with my speed before getting shredded like wet paper.
Another teammate went Onos and joined me. Again we entered the mess hall and waited for the door to open. It was the same Heavy Marine and a marine + LMG. My Onos buddy and I charged in (yes, I clicked charge) and killed the marine on the way to the heavy. Both of us were attacking the Heavy who emptied an entire clip into us. He then proceeded with the extremely long reload time on his HMG, and dumped another load into us. He killed me, and the other Onos had to run off. The heavy lived. We were both gorging him the entire time. He wasn't even strafing, just tanking us while shooting. And yes, I did switch from charge over to weapon 1.
<b>Example 3</b>
Another map, another day. My Onos (always have carapace) VS a Heavy + HMG. I lose.
<b>Example 4</b>
Again I do not know the map names. But I was an Onos going to attack the human base. There was a door that required a button to open. I walked up, pushed the button, and got stuck on the button. NOT the door, but the actual button. /kill
Then got stuck on the elevator. /kill
My teammate's Onos got stuck on the elevator. /kill
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While I'm complaining, I don't see how Onos (if they can actually make it to the enemy base without getting stuck, insta-gibbed, etc.) can take out turret farms. Even with level 3 adrenaline and using Shout, I cannot kill more than 1 maybe 2 turrets before all of my energy is gone and I can no longer even attack using weapon 1. /shrug
So anyone have any ideas? Perhaps there is some strange technique that I am not getting. Like maybe you have to do twirls with your mouse to actually deal damage or something? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> ? No thanks. I'd rather have an un-upgraded skulk.
<b>Example 1:</b>
I do not recall the map name, but it is the map with all of the breakable glass, and with the Mess Hall located just past the human start (which also has breakable glass).
Our alien team had control of the Mess Hall (and the rest of the map). I was an Onos standing on top of the table in the Mess hall that is closest to door leading to the human base. We had 3 defensive chambers, 2 offensive chambers, and the Resource Tower in there. I had Level 3 Carapace, Level 3 Scent of Fear, and Level 3 Adrenaline.
The door was closed, and I was on the table facing it. About 3 steps away.
We hear the door beep, and it opens to reveal 1 Heavy + HMG, 1 marine + HMG, and 1 marine + LMG. They open fire on me (I'm right in front of them), and I click charge. There were no other humans nearby. No grenades. No turrets.
I was dead before I got through the door. Yep, they took me out in about 3 steps. I was shocked. And apparently they were too, as a couple of them apolgized and said that I was "ripped". I really wonder if there isn't a bug with the HMG sometimes. I have been insta-gibbed as a Fade also (not that they have much health, but one burst should not gib).
<b>Example 2:</b>
Getting insta-gibbed the first time did not deter me, so I grabbed another Onos. This time I chose the same upgrades, switching out Adrenaline for Celerity. Hopefully I would at least reach them with my speed before getting shredded like wet paper.
Another teammate went Onos and joined me. Again we entered the mess hall and waited for the door to open. It was the same Heavy Marine and a marine + LMG. My Onos buddy and I charged in (yes, I clicked charge) and killed the marine on the way to the heavy. Both of us were attacking the Heavy who emptied an entire clip into us. He then proceeded with the extremely long reload time on his HMG, and dumped another load into us. He killed me, and the other Onos had to run off. The heavy lived. We were both gorging him the entire time. He wasn't even strafing, just tanking us while shooting. And yes, I did switch from charge over to weapon 1.
<b>Example 3</b>
Another map, another day. My Onos (always have carapace) VS a Heavy + HMG. I lose.
<b>Example 4</b>
Again I do not know the map names. But I was an Onos going to attack the human base. There was a door that required a button to open. I walked up, pushed the button, and got stuck on the button. NOT the door, but the actual button. /kill
Then got stuck on the elevator. /kill
My teammate's Onos got stuck on the elevator. /kill
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While I'm complaining, I don't see how Onos (if they can actually make it to the enemy base without getting stuck, insta-gibbed, etc.) can take out turret farms. Even with level 3 adrenaline and using Shout, I cannot kill more than 1 maybe 2 turrets before all of my energy is gone and I can no longer even attack using weapon 1. /shrug
So anyone have any ideas? Perhaps there is some strange technique that I am not getting. Like maybe you have to do twirls with your mouse to actually deal damage or something? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> ? No thanks. I'd rather have an un-upgraded skulk.
Comments
As for dealing with HA Marines, gore them with your slot 1 attack, I found the charge to be completely useless since it drains your stamina so much. Also even though the Onos is a huge target run around in circles around the marine. Ducking I also found lands more hits.
It just takes a little practice to judge when to run away and heal up.
The problem attacking heavies is that the area where the Onos does damage with his main attack is not actually very big. You DO have to make sure hes in the center of the screen and you are right up next to him.
Umm... Onoses? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Perhaps I'm just not aiming well enough to hurt these heavies with my Gore attack. Maybe I'll try aiming at their knees or something. Thanks for the suggestion.
Im pretty good with onos as a mega marauder rather than base assault... Defending is also fun though, since you can get healed easier then.
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Only once have I seriously tried to use paralyze, that was when a marine in light and HMG spotted me and started shooting. Then he thought better of it and tried to flee(hard to do at crawl speed), so i paralyzed him and BIT HIS 4$$!! YEAH BABY!
Oh I have to go now.
With the patch aliens seems to win all the time? Or maybe thats cause I usually play with lots of skilled alien players...
As to the plural form of Onos, I think it should be remain onos, so you look at the helper to determine whether it is plural or not.
In other news, It really appears to me that the Marines have had it soft and as such have developed half as quick as the dedicated Kharaa players. Now that were on even groun, the skill difference is becoming apparent.
dunno, personally I seem unstoppable as a ono, just make sure a cluster of DCs are setup near where your gonna attack, and heal when you run low.
Even as a fade with 4 DCs I took out a small base (6+ turrets plus the same marine in armor and HMG defending it twice) You just gotta know when to run back to heal. Actually attacking with two(or more) onos isnt always a good idea, cause those fat **obscenity** get stuck and then <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo-->
Some of the most successful assaults use onos as a main rush while fades acid rocket and bilebomb, and Onos charge the infantary. Onos is good on a server with lots of people, but not quite so useful in a server w/ eight people. Onosing just takes time to get used to. Except for nowing when to retreat to a D-tower, you really do have to act like a rabid rhinoceros <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
As for the plural of Onos... A marine once said "Oh No!" as he saw an Onos attacking him. Then they were called Onos. His buddy turned around and said "Oh **obscenity**!" because he saw about 6 more. Therefore, Onos = singular. Oshit = plural. Hmmmm... <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo-->
That would work if it was Latin. To me, Onos sounds Greek. But I don't know any Greek, so you'll need someone else to tell you the plural form of Onos. Wait! I have an idea...
According to a web translator, the masculine singular ending -os has the plural form -oi.
So I guess they are Onoi.
Though I think Oni sounds cooler, and that's all that really counts <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
First time I used this was when I was guarding base. I was just standing at the opening with lvl 3 cloak, carapace and andrenaline. Marine walks up and bumps into the 'invisible' barrier (me). I move a little backward and unstealth. Marine stumbles back to flee and I switched to paralyze instead of charge and attacked. Just stood there while I leisurely gored him to death.
From then on I've become a paralyze-addict... >=)