<div class="IPBDescription">and ns dies even more</div> <a href='http://www.csnation.net/comments.php?id=7393' target='_blank'>http://www.csnation.net/comments.php?id=7393</a> discuss
according to gotfrag, it's $5 per player. that can go up to as much as 60 or 70 bucks for some teams. NS doesn't have much to worry about, considering the can always all transfer to another league (in particular, the MLNS thing Lux is setting up), but it's gonna be hard for some counterstrike teams to come up with the money, and since CAL and UGS are all that matters in CS, well...
it won't happen this next season, but the season after that, so no worries for now.
It's their lost, Peoples will stop more and more to compete... 5$ per season per player can be costly for clans that have young players... Even more when there are leagues that are totally free. So top clans will stay, less clans will join (the new clans that join cal-o every year just to test skills will stop to do so) and in the end... They are shooting themself in the foot.
Ill be damned if pandas (the cal-ns admins) get my money.
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I think it's a good idea. It'll (hopefully) weed out the some of the less mature players and leave those those who are dedicated enough to be willing to pay. Anyways, It's only 5 bucks, and CAL has to cover the costs of operating some way.
back in my days of cs ::shudder:: playing in CAL was good and bad. sure, we weren't the CAL-i team of gamers, but we were decent enough to play in just CAL-o for fun. the point?
too many 8 year old kids decide it would be "cool" to make a clan.
need i say more?
unless the kid steals their parent's credit card, it's all good.
Heh, this is a problem for me b/c I am not alowed to send money over the 'net w/o my parents permission... and they already dont like me playing in Online Leagues... this a just an easy excuse for them to not let me play.
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If CAL does get to the point of P2P I hope they use the money to get decent servers for matches. To me that would be more than worth it. I can't even count the number of times my team has been screwed by a poor server in CS while in a CAL match.
I was under the impression all CAL Match servers are provided by the clans.
I'm just wondering where all this money would go. $40 per every clan in all of CAL is a ton of money. Sure, there's the website and bandwidth. And a salary for the admins would be nice (heck, if admins were paid, they might be around on match days in CAL ns), but where will that money go?
I hate P2P. Money is a ****. But it's a good move I guess.
BTW, some of us can't make the effort to steal our parent's password to paypal (Which I absolutely have not done <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
It will only hurt them depending on how they use the money. If they include prizes or more tournaments, or better servers I bet it may not hurt them at all. If they just use it to pay their admins I can see them losing alot of players to other leagues. Its really a risk depending on how they invest the money.
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DARN YOU CAL!!!!! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Your team would have to be a bunch of huge [self-censor]suckers to not collectively be able to field you 5 bucks per season <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Really, no reasonably stable would be totally unable to field the cost. Wether its sensible for a shaky division like NS is an entirely different question.
There should still be free leagues available of course, not everyone wants to be serious enough to compete for money but for those that want to take it that next step its perfect. As long as the money is put back into running the league it means that all those competing would have access to fast neutral servers, admins who aren't volunteers (or at least, not so much), a website that won't have adverts and of course, prizes.
It can't do anything but strengthen the competitive scene. The only slight worry is when you get people who compete only for the cash and lose sight of 'fun'.
Still, hopefully not everyone will be so mercenary.
I don't think it is a bad idea for a pretty stable game like CS Weeds out annoying players
But p2p for NS as it is now..? Nahhh I don't know anything about current NS clans other than in europe... but it's pretty much dead/sleeping. No point paying ANY amount of cash to play against what... 3 semi-active teams?
CAL isn't even WORTH paying for, even with prizes. yeesh. CPL sure because there's alot on the line, but I don't see the point in paying when I can hop on any ol pub and have a good ol time
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Why do you think it is just for CS? I read the article, it wasn't clear on who, just said CAL. CS could survive it, ns wont. If they charge for every player, no new team will join, alot of existing teams will quit, and you will be left with one division with 8 teams on it not caring because all 8 are making the playoffs regardless.
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it won't happen this next season, but the season after that, so no worries for now.
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less 8 yr-olds
less non-careing clans
and the second i saw the topic name, i thought "cal to person2person? WTH?"
person2personFileshareing is garbage like kazaa
back in my days of cs ::shudder:: playing in CAL was good and bad. sure, we weren't the CAL-i team of gamers, but we were decent enough to play in just CAL-o for fun. the point?
too many 8 year old kids decide it would be "cool" to make a clan.
need i say more?
unless the kid steals their parent's credit card, it's all good.
pay to play ftw.
*flame shield on*
DARN YOU CAL!!!!!
I'm just wondering where all this money would go. $40 per every clan in all of CAL is a ton of money. Sure, there's the website and bandwidth. And a salary for the admins would be nice (heck, if admins were paid, they might be around on match days in CAL ns), but where will that money go?
BTW, some of us can't make the effort to steal our parent's password to paypal (Which I absolutely have not done <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
GG nextmap CAL.
Maybe mlns will succeed. Who knows
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Your team would have to be a bunch of huge [self-censor]suckers to not collectively be able to field you 5 bucks per season <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Really, no reasonably stable would be totally unable to field the cost. Wether its sensible for a shaky division like NS is an entirely different question.
There should still be free leagues available of course, not everyone wants to be serious enough to compete for money but for those that want to take it that next step its perfect. As long as the money is put back into running the league it means that all those competing would have access to fast neutral servers, admins who aren't volunteers (or at least, not so much), a website that won't have adverts and of course, prizes.
It can't do anything but strengthen the competitive scene. The only slight worry is when you get people who compete only for the cash and lose sight of 'fun'.
Still, hopefully not everyone will be so mercenary.
Weeds out annoying players
But p2p for NS as it is now..? Nahhh
I don't know anything about current NS clans other than in europe... but it's pretty much dead/sleeping. No point paying ANY amount of cash to play against what... 3 semi-active teams?
Yeah, neither do I.
If there is a price, it will rise. Little by little, like in your local shop. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Today it's 5 bucks, tomorrow 10... per player, plus yearly CAL fee 50 + 27% tax. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Whatever, do not even know what CAL is.
CS could survive it, ns wont. If they charge for every player, no new team will join, alot of existing teams will quit, and you will be left with one division with 8 teams on it not caring because all 8 are making the playoffs regardless.