AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
Of course you did, because Frank Sinatra is awesome.
(in case you havn't realised, I am simply pretending you meant the old version so I don't explode at the concept that anyone would think that movie could be good)
<!--QuoteBegin-Surge+Aug 14 2004, 11:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Surge @ Aug 14 2004, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow, he just totally owned your English. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll be sure not to look back at my posts before posting to add spoiler warnings from now on then. Thanks for the update.
Yes, I'm familiar with the Weyland-Yutani (making better worlds <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )company. But seeing as this is 2004 (and the movie itself says: October, 2004) and the first alien film is around 2121, the company as a research model for xenomorph killing machines can't really exist yet.
Which actually seems kindof weird because I just realized this guys last name is Weyland, and in Alien 3 and Aliens he's Bishop. Which means Weyland and Bishop would have to be of the same family line in order to create any plauisble connection between the franchises.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Aug 13 2004, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Aug 13 2004, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That was nothing but an 'easter egg', it had absolutely zip zilch nada to do with anything Aliens, except for the fact that the Alien(s) special effects guys worked on Predator 2 as well. They put it in there because it was lying around and it was a joke for those that know Alien movies. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually it was done as a nod to the AvP comic books.
<!--QuoteBegin-Blobby+Aug 14 2004, 03:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Blobby @ Aug 14 2004, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here watch this... it'll be WAY better: <a href='http://members.tripod.com/~tasuki/tvavp/tap1.htm' target='_blank'>Mr. T vs Aliens vs Predator</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Pop up pop up MFing pop up!!!!
<!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Aug 14 2004, 02:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Aug 14 2004, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Of course you did, because Frank Sinatra is awesome.
(in case you haven't realized, I am simply pretending you meant the old version so I don't explode at the concept that anyone would think that movie could be good) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've seen the "classic" Manchurian candidate also. My point was that it was a good movie and Denzel Washington (and most of the other cast) did a very good job.
Whats the point of ever remaking movies if you can't accept change? It's not like they were going to remake the whole movie word for word.
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Mullet+Aug 14 2004, 06:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mullet @ Aug 14 2004, 06:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Aug 14 2004, 02:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Aug 14 2004, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Of course you did, because Frank Sinatra is awesome.
(in case you haven't realized, I am simply pretending you meant the old version so I don't explode at the concept that anyone would think that movie could be good) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've seen the "classic" Manchurian candidate also. My point was that it was a good movie and Denzel Washington (and most of the other cast) did a very good job.
Whats the point of ever remaking movies if you can't accept change? It's not like they were going to remake the whole movie word for word. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well my point is that they shouldn't remake movies. EVER. No matter if they change everything or nothing. I can't think of a single remake I have enjoyed.
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
I just came back from seeing the movie, and it's bad. Not as bad as I thought, but pretty bad.
SPOILERS:
I don't understand how one Alien manages to kill two Predators. And the Predator's seemed a bit big. In Predator, he almost takes Arnold, but can't because well... Arnold's better obviously. But these Predator's go down like nothing, at least the third one put up a fight.
What happened to the black girl? She was left with the spear in Antarctica... unless she can pilot a huge ship and helicopter, is she ment to make it back to main land?
Why'd she have to take Arnold's line, and not even say the whole line!? DAMN YOU!
I just got back from the movie, and I must say it was worth the money in laughs. The Predators were pitifully weak in this movie. Also, the part in which Lex is "blooded" was done incorrectly; the Predator is supposed to dilute the alien blood with its own first. Otherwise Lex would get burned quite badly, even from the small amount that was used. Also, Predator metals are supposed to be tempered against alien acid - the wristblades in the movie were melted after being used once. And since when have alien queens been so stupid? They're supposed to be smarter than humans, but in the movie it ran into a friggin' water tower! There are many other errors but I don't feel like pointing them out. The strange part is they did very little research into the AvP universe; I've only read the three books (Prey, Hunter's Planet, and War) once each a couple of years ago and these mistakes are glaring even to a casual fan like me.
I think it was funny after they kill the queen and he takes off his mask, and I swear they were about to kiss or something. Made our row of people laugh.
if I was that remianing pred I'd whacked lex as soon as she gave up the gizmo doo-hickey.
The whole bishop/weyland part from what I heard is that weyland made teh company lala and some point in the future they make a 'bot series that looks exactly like him
and I think he used a flare in teh flame thrower scene
<a href='http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=34709834&m=816003055631' target='_blank'>Uneditted version <b><span style='color:red'>with naughty words</b></span> and original author here</a> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Zoom in: Our new Ripley is all sorts of climbing on ice. This shows she's rowdy and ready for action. Weiland calls and needs her help and she's like "NO." And then she's like "YES."
The thing to remember from this scene? While climbing ice alone you must always pick up your phone.
Stafford: We need your help now. I have flown this helicopter here.
Black Ripley: You think I would have noticed the helicopter land. Or at least seen it.
Stafford: I'm sure it is very loud here, and making helicopters appear shows how rich and important the guy from Millenia is.
Fast forward. They find a pyramid in the ice. They get a bunch of experts who will all be dead in about five minutes.
Italian guy: This pyramid is like every other pyramid in different parts. This must be from the first people ever born ever, before they all got blown up and scattered around with different types of pyramids.
Guy from the ancient past: I'm going to be Egyptian! I call smooth walls!
His friend: I'm cambodian! I claim the spires!
Weyland: My experts say this may be Egyptian because the walls are smooth. This is in spite of the fact there are no freaking smooth walls when you see it.
Audience: We're drunk!
Blonde French Girl: A gun is like a condom.
Random guy: How do you figure?
Blonde French Girl: One fires bullets, and this is terrible writing.
Black Ripley: When we get on the ice no one ever goes anywhere alone. This is how people die.
Audience: Weren't you just CLIMBING UP A SHEER FACE OF ICE alone in the first scene?
Spud: I have kids and I'm scared of flying. I'm a chemical engineer.
Black Ripley: Why are you here?
Spud: It's a little known fact that every pyramid is made entirely out of chemicals. I have kids, and like to take pictures. These character traits will become important when....no wait nevermind I'm dead.
Team: Let's split up. This way we can all die. Half of us will die in ways ripped off of the first Aliens movies, the other half from ways ripped off of the first two Predator movies.
Predators: We must get to this pyramid to hunt the aliens! Shoot the laser so we can get down to it!
Black Ripley: So you found this pyramid using your satellites? Why are you using satellites?
Weyland: To find minerals?
Black Ripley: I thought you made billions in robotics?
Weyland: You use minerals to make robots. Now shut up [female dog]. By the way I'm dying. I have to suck my anti-cockroach sauce out of this inhaler.
Black Ripley: Is there a reason your inhaler is attached to an air compressor?
Weyland: We'll see!
Black Ripley: Hey, you said your satellites can see heat, right?
Weyland: Oh yeah, totally.
Black Ripley: So if someone shot a GIANT freaking LASER FROM SPACE to BURN A HOLE INTO THE ICE, you'd pick that up right?
Weyland: Of course not.
Predators: We remain undetected.
Everyone else: Hey this is a great pyramid. HOLY [poo] WE'RE ALL DEAD!
Blood French Girl: Hey, this facehugger is dead but I'm still alive OMG THE LIFECYCLE NOW TAKES FIVE MINUTES! ALIENS EVERYWHERE!
Weyland: Predator!
Predator: I will kill y.... No I won't, my Xray vision shows you are in fact sworming with cockroaches.
Weyland: Wow. This inhaler has surprisingly high pressure. Good thing I hooked it into this air compressor. BURN!
Aliens: Our lips curl CONSTANTLY. Let's kill every Predator but the important one with the giant red [female sex organ] for a face.
Black Ripley: I have given Steven Segal his gun back and accidently killed an alien. I am now his equal.
Predator: Jesus, we kind of suck against these aliens.
[female sex organ]: I am a flying [female sex organ]. I pop out of my [female sex organ] and infect people. I am killed by beings with [female sex organ] for faces.
Audience: We mostly have never seen a [female sex organ] ever so this is a brand new original design idea for a creature.
Italian guy: It's a good thing I can read every language in the world from back in the day, because now we get to flashback to when Predators killed all of civilization to destroy the aliens they couldn't control.
Black Ripley: What?
Italian Guy: Oh yeah, well, one guy escaped and he built THIS pyramid just in case.
Black Ripley: Just making sure.
Stafford: I'm what passes for an interesting character in this movie. I am not to be trusted and was hiding guns. These character traits will be important later because....nevermind I'm dead.
Italian Guy: MY CHEST IS EXPLODING!
Predator: I can catch this alien, and squish him, because HIS blood isn't acid yet. In fact, sometimes the blood is acid, this serves our real god, the **** Script God.
Black Ripley: Like how this alien head I use as a freaking retarded shield doesn't have any blood?
Predator: This is correct.
Black Ripley: Oh no! We are being chased, we must escape up the laser burnhole, it's a good thing the winch works again and is five billion times faster.
Aliens: Foiled!
Black Ripley and Predator: Wheee! We're flying! It's a good thing no one saw the X-Files movie or this would be a really sweet scene.
Queen alien: I don't miss the rest of me. I will now rampage around.
Black Ripley: I'm running through Bones! I've never seen Jurassic Park and this is a brand new scene!
Queen Alien: [have sex with you] YOU [female dog]! We're in the arctic! There are no airlocks!
Predator: I have strapped the alien onto this big heavy thing, using the chain it's been dragging around all movie, just to be sure we would know how the movie would end two hours ago!
Queen Alien: Don't let go Rose!
Predator: I will respect you by burning your face, just like my hideous red [female sex organ] face is burned.
Predator: I am dead.
Other Predators: Black Ripley, have a staff. We've never seen Predator 2 and this is a brand new original scene.
Black Ripley: Can I get a ride home?
Other Predators: No.
Predator's Body: I HAD AN ALIEN IN ME! OH THE SHOCK!
Predalien: I am supposed to be menacing except for the fact I'm in a Predator ship filled with Preds who are all armed to the teeth trained to kill the adult me.
Audience: Hey, wait a minute, so the alien life cycle is back to being like three hours? Wasn't it a week in the future?
Paul Anderson: We're assuming no one saw any other movie ever made. Back to counting my loot.
THE END.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who needs to actually see movies with summaries this good?
I went and saw the movie today, and I have to say it was actually very good. There were also a few references back to Aliens and Predator.
Namely when the guy who played Bishop (and Mr. Weyland.) was sitting at his desk with the gold pen, he goes at his fingers with it as if he is playing five finger filet. Anyone recall Hudson and Bishop at the table? Thought so.
Also the connection between current day Weyland and the Weyland-Utani corporation from Alien/Aliens/Alien3/Ressurection is simple, he started it, it exists then. The fact that Bishop looks like Mr. Weyland could be in homage of the creator of said company. Understand? Lets all think about the movie AI for a moment, the little kid was created to look like the creators real life (deceased) child.
Also the movie help many references back to the first AvP novel (Alien Versus Predator: Prey) which made it a joy to watch. All in all, I have to say that Paul Anderson did a damn good job with this movie, as he obviously read the Comics, atleast read Alien Versus Predator Prey, played the video games, and had a pretty damn good understanding of the rest of it.
Everyone, let us clap for Paul Anderson.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Predator: I will kill y.... No I won't, my Xray vision shows you are in fact sworming with cockroaches.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You very obviously know nothing about the Predator or Alien stories, so ill have to enlighten you. The Yautja (predators) are a race of honorable hunters. If you are unarmed, weak, helpless, injured, a woman (this doesnt apply to all cases), pregnant or anything else that renders you useless in battle. They wont harm you, as it would be dishonorable to them and their clan.
If half of you critic nimwits read the novels or comics you'd understand this a lot more.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Other Predators: Black Ripley, have a staff. We've never seen Predator 2 and this is a brand new original scene.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Once again, read the novels. Any being that is deemed worthy is most of the time spared, or even blooded (accepted into the clan by) the predators associated by the one he/she/it has killed. i.e Machiko Noguchi, the black chick, Danny Glover.
In fact, Machiko Noguchi was blooded, taken offworld by the remainder of a friendly clan of Dachande's, and given the ceremonial armor of the Yautja (predators.) She became a clan member, because she assisted Dachande in killing a queen. The movie and the first novel had a few things in common like this.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Audience: Hey, wait a minute, so the alien life cycle is back to being like three hours? Wasn't it a week in the future?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An adaptable species like the Xenomorph could probably change something like that in a matter of days, plus she was out for quite a while.
<!--QuoteBegin-Perdition Flamethrower+Aug 15 2004, 02:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Perdition Flamethrower @ Aug 15 2004, 02:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Namely when the guy who played Bishop (and Mr. Weyland.) was sitting at his desk with the gold pen, he goes at his fingers with it as if he is playing five finger filet. Anyone recall Hudson and Bishop at the table? Thought so.
Also the connection between current day Weyland and the Weyland-Utani corporation from Alien/Aliens/Alien3/Ressurection is simple, he started it, it exists then. The fact that Bishop looks like Mr. Weyland could be in homage of the creator of said company. Understand? Lets all think about the movie AI for a moment, the little kid was created to look like the creators real life (deceased) child. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes...they're not cockroaches...I'm not sure what that guy was on...It's some kind of lung disease, either cancer or asthma I'd guess - but I don't really know of others.
On the other hand, the Weyland/Bishop thing makes absolutely no sense being as:
Bishop in Aliens is an android created after the image of Bishop the guy in Alien 3. Bishop in Alien 3 is an actual person who designed the Bishop looking series of androids and works for Weyland Yutani. Mr. Weyland lives 190 years in the past and looks just like Bishop.
It just...basically can't make sense.
Then the black girl killing the Alien with a spear looked like it was a complete accident, and I think the Predator would have recognized that she didn't do anything except hold up the spear and let the alien impale itself.
The screwed up Predator vision peeved me off a bit. It looks far too computer generated. I thought the outside part would just be because it's cold or something (which would have been cool, since it meant they were thinking about variable temperature changes) - however, they have the same heat signatures inside, where you can't see their breath, so it's obviously warmer - so it should show them like in the first 2 movies.
My only basis on the aliens would be that they shouldn't show up quite as much in thermal vision, because they must be cold blooded (...well acid-blooded) and going off the games, their blood would work like an electrical circuit, but probably would be more refined as to not heat them a lot.
Them there's the whole...whaling station everybody convieneny forgot about - but didn't really have a huge part in the movie anyway. The "Hey, this station went mysteriously out of service in 1904!" part didn't go anywhere either besides audience speculation.
The movie has a lot of characters that don't really go anywhere, and a story that is haphazardly thrown together - albeit with AvP universe hints thrown in. The only real reason to see the movie is to watch Predators and Aliens fight eachother. It just tries to hard without enough work put into it.
Just look at the original Predator "Yea, we're going to kill some rebels in the jungle." "Apparently Carl Weathers shouldn't have sent us here to kill a bunch of people - but we're here!" "Oh no, a cool alien is hunting us, we must defend ourselves!" See, the story makes no sense if you go before the current timeline, but the in-movie story is flawless. Why do they want to kill the rebels? God knows, but they look right doing it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Aliens' overall plot is a bit more firm, but it too has some shakey moments (barring Alien 3 and Alien:R for the plot connectivity).
So let's not all act like Aliens and Predator were the greatest, most flawless movies ever made and point to the actual fruits of the movie, which is the action and character actions (okay, the second part falls a bit short).
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Aug 15 2004, 01:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Aug 15 2004, 01:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why do they want to kill the rebels? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe it's because another team's missing, and they're sent in looking for them.
Perdition Flamethrower, I have read the following AvP books: Prey, Hunter's Planet, and War. How the hell can you think Anderson did a good job? Just because Lex got blooded (and improperly at that) doesn't mean the movie is all of a sudden accurate. Also, since when do Preds blood themselves? That's kind of like cheating. The thing got like 3 kills and put the mark on its head. And where was the hunt leader, you know the experienced Predator that's supposed to be there. And I never heard of a huge ship on these expeditions, usually like a 8 Pred expedition in something that amounts to an interstellar dropship. Also, Lex got one kill with a spear and a hit or two on the Queen and all of a sudden she'd badass? Noguchi was out there killing aliens left and right with her revolvers (or was it revolver? I haven't read it for a bit) and even took down a queen with Dachande. Now he was a badass Pred, not like these completely different Yautja in the movie. So, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you that this movie was faithful to the books and just about everything else ever established about Preds and Aliens...
I suppose you could say the predators got owned because they were inexperienced and didnt have their shoulder cannons, but even so, this movie portrays them as such weaklings when that whats-her-face woman killed an alien in such a half arsed accidental manner.
also, as has been said before, 'cut-away' death scenes are repetative, boring and lack impact of any sort.
Super Mario Bros was a kickass movie considering it was based on a platformer game. Unlike todays movies-game franchises where the game has <i>tons</i> of story but the movie ignores it, Mario had no story, he was a plumber rescuing a princess, they took that and made a damn good movie with the little they had to work with.
<!--QuoteBegin-DaMu+Aug 14 2004, 01:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DaMu @ Aug 14 2004, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Fr05t+Aug 14 2004, 11:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fr05t @ Aug 14 2004, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think what people mean by the pyramid being cliche is that a lot of movies have some obscure hidden ancient remnaints of a civilization (templs usually) and go to explore it and find something that want sto kill them all.
The only truely redeeming qualities of the movie were some of the acting sequences. Other than that, nothing else worth going to see it. You would expect that with a title such as AVP, they would be somewhat smart and try and make like 1/4 of the film a big fight between the Aliens and Predators. Just turns out to be a few moments plus lots of running. And there is too much talking in that movie, since every line they spoke was like driving a railroad tie into my brain, a millimeter at a time. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you trying to catch nems attention or are you from sweden too? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't know what you are talking about. As far as I know I spelt everything correctly and if I didn't, it's because I truely suck at spelling. I can't spell half the words I know because I don't read... Go modern day parenting rangers!
Anyways, I'm such an obscure, insignificant little speck of a forum goer that most people tend to ignore me anyways, like you are doing right now!
I'm going to go into my room and cry while listening to Dashboard Confession!
I personally thought Anderson had a hard on for the facehuggers since he made them look like big walking vaginas. And he gives them plenty of time where you can see it and masturabte to it if you are into that kinda stuff... I wouldn't let Anderson direct another film with ETs in it because of the fact that he licked the facehugger **** shots too much.
My roomate downloaded AVP last night (he watches some of the stupidest **** I tells ya). Dear lord, it was even worse than I thought.
I could literally go on and on forever about continuity issues comparing AVP to the Alien and Predator movies. I love the selective gestation periods of the Xenomorph in this movie. No more than 5 min. after the first few people get attacked by facehuggers, we've got full grown aliens on our hands baby. Yeah. The scenes with the lead actress (who was the one good part of the movie...eye candy)and the Predator; jesus christ. Awful, awful dialog.
I pray that they don't do a sequel, but that from the utterly predictable ending you know they are going to do one.
But what can you expect from a man who has Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil and Event Horizon on his resume. These franchises are dead. Gone are the days of Ridley Scott, James Cameron and McTiernan. Hell, even David Fincher made an awful Alien 3 script watchable, maybe even enjoyable. These are good directors; Paul Anderson couldn't even direct the commercials for these movies.
in reply to ultimagecko: Bishop 2 was always an andriod, i dont think u took the point of the android trying to convince Ripley. the hunt after the aliens etc, has been the MAIN mission for weyland/yutani over the years ever since AVP. If u get a hold of Alien 3 special edition, u will get an even clearer picture of Weyland/Yutani. many communication scenes between them and the warden shows their persistancy.
Is AvP as bad as Starship Troopers 2? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perdition Flamethrower, I have read the following AvP books: Prey, Hunter's Planet, and War. How the hell can you think Anderson did a good job? Just because Lex got blooded (and improperly at that) doesn't mean the movie is all of a sudden accurate. Also, since when do Preds blood themselves? That's kind of like cheating. The thing got like 3 kills and put the mark on its head. And where was the hunt leader, you know the experienced Predator that's supposed to be there. And I never heard of a huge ship on these expeditions, usually like a 8 Pred expedition in something that amounts to an interstellar dropship. Also, Lex got one kill with a spear and a hit or two on the Queen and all of a sudden she'd badass? Noguchi was out there killing aliens left and right with her revolvers (or was it revolver? I haven't read it for a bit) and even took down a queen with Dachande. Now he was a badass Pred, not like these completely different Yautja in the movie. So, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you that this movie was faithful to the books and just about everything else ever established about Preds and Aliens... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Even the predator blooding himself in the temple was improper, considering that would be the same as leaving his clan. And I am thinking the one with the ridges in his mask was the hunt leader, atleast...he acted like it in my mind (the way he reacted to seeing the other predator being gored on the aliens tail). Do you remember the one that defied Dachande? Tichende or something of the sort, I can't remember, that is how the predator who blooded himself and Lex was acting. The only thing I strongly disagree with what Anderson did, is the way the rest of the predators clan acted towards the one who had blooded himself.
The movie to me was a cross between elements from the novels, the comics, the movies before this, and the video games. I personally think it came together nicely.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally thought Anderson had a hard on for the facehuggers since he made them look like big walking vaginas. And he gives them plenty of time where you can see it and masturabte to it if you are into that kinda stuff... I wouldn't let Anderson direct another film with ETs in it because of the fact that he licked the facehugger **** shots too much. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They have always looked like little vaginas. Because they were designed by H.R Giger, who includes a lot of genitals/sex in a lot of his artwork. Hell, even the original piece of art that was picked out to be the alien was a womans body, with an alien head mounting some little robotic thing.
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WHy does everyone blame the director,
You people are aware that that half this movie with all the cool scenes was cut out at the last min, b/c the lamo producers wanted to make the movie PG-13 instead of R right?
And all of the best scenes in the movie contained really bad launguage/gore.
Even the director stated in an interview that with these new cuts the movie would suck. He recommended that people wait for the DVD then judge the movie. When they see the whole thing.
Yea when Movies come to the US or are made in the US the movie industries like to shoot themselves in the foot by cutting half the movie out.
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(in case you havn't realised, I am simply pretending you meant the old version so I don't explode at the concept that anyone would think that movie could be good)
I'll be sure not to look back at my posts before posting to add spoiler warnings from now on then. Thanks for the update.
Yes, I'm familiar with the Weyland-Yutani (making better worlds <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )company. But seeing as this is 2004 (and the movie itself says: October, 2004) and the first alien film is around 2121, the company as a research model for xenomorph killing machines can't really exist yet.
Which actually seems kindof weird because I just realized this guys last name is Weyland, and in Alien 3 and Aliens he's Bishop. Which means Weyland and Bishop would have to be of the same family line in order to create any plauisble connection between the franchises.
...not that you'd probably want one.
Actually it was done as a nod to the AvP comic books.
Pop up pop up MFing pop up!!!!
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I've seen the "classic" Manchurian candidate also. My point was that it was a good movie and Denzel Washington (and most of the other cast) did a very good job.
Whats the point of ever remaking movies if you can't accept change? It's not like they were going to remake the whole movie word for word.
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I've seen the "classic" Manchurian candidate also. My point was that it was a good movie and Denzel Washington (and most of the other cast) did a very good job.
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Well my point is that they shouldn't remake movies. EVER. No matter if they change everything or nothing. I can't think of a single remake I have enjoyed.
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I don't understand how one Alien manages to kill two Predators. And the Predator's seemed a bit big. In Predator, he almost takes Arnold, but can't because well... Arnold's better obviously. But these Predator's go down like nothing, at least the third one put up a fight.
What happened to the black girl? She was left with the spear in Antarctica... unless she can pilot a huge ship and helicopter, is she ment to make it back to main land?
Why'd she have to take Arnold's line, and not even say the whole line!? DAMN YOU!
I just got back from the movie, and I must say it was worth the money in laughs. The Predators were pitifully weak in this movie. Also, the part in which Lex is "blooded" was done incorrectly; the Predator is supposed to dilute the alien blood with its own first. Otherwise Lex would get burned quite badly, even from the small amount that was used. Also, Predator metals are supposed to be tempered against alien acid - the wristblades in the movie were melted after being used once. And since when have alien queens been so stupid? They're supposed to be smarter than humans, but in the movie it ran into a friggin' water tower! There are many other errors but I don't feel like pointing them out. The strange part is they did very little research into the AvP universe; I've only read the three books (Prey, Hunter's Planet, and War) once each a couple of years ago and these mistakes are glaring even to a casual fan like me.
I think it was funny after they kill the queen and he takes off his mask, and I swear they were about to kiss or something. Made our row of people laugh.
The whole bishop/weyland part from what I heard is that weyland made teh company lala and some point in the future they make a 'bot series that looks exactly like him
and I think he used a flare in teh flame thrower scene
<a href='http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=34709834&m=816003055631' target='_blank'>Uneditted version <b><span style='color:red'>with naughty words</b></span> and original author here</a>
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The thing to remember from this scene? While climbing ice alone you must always pick up your phone.
Stafford: We need your help now. I have flown this helicopter here.
Black Ripley: You think I would have noticed the helicopter land. Or at least seen it.
Stafford: I'm sure it is very loud here, and making helicopters appear shows how rich and important the guy from Millenia is.
Fast forward. They find a pyramid in the ice. They get a bunch of experts who will all be dead in about five minutes.
Italian guy: This pyramid is like every other pyramid in different parts. This must be from the first people ever born ever, before they all got blown up and scattered around with different types of pyramids.
Guy from the ancient past: I'm going to be Egyptian! I call smooth walls!
His friend: I'm cambodian! I claim the spires!
Weyland: My experts say this may be Egyptian because the walls are smooth. This is in spite of the fact there are no freaking smooth walls when you see it.
Audience: We're drunk!
Blonde French Girl: A gun is like a condom.
Random guy: How do you figure?
Blonde French Girl: One fires bullets, and this is terrible writing.
Black Ripley: When we get on the ice no one ever goes anywhere alone. This is how people die.
Audience: Weren't you just CLIMBING UP A SHEER FACE OF ICE alone in the first scene?
Spud: I have kids and I'm scared of flying. I'm a chemical engineer.
Black Ripley: Why are you here?
Spud: It's a little known fact that every pyramid is made entirely out of chemicals. I have kids, and like to take pictures. These character traits will become important when....no wait nevermind I'm dead.
Team: Let's split up. This way we can all die. Half of us will die in ways ripped off of the first Aliens movies, the other half from ways ripped off of the first two Predator movies.
Predators: We must get to this pyramid to hunt the aliens! Shoot the laser so we can get down to it!
Black Ripley: So you found this pyramid using your satellites? Why are you using satellites?
Weyland: To find minerals?
Black Ripley: I thought you made billions in robotics?
Weyland: You use minerals to make robots. Now shut up [female dog]. By the way I'm dying. I have to suck my anti-cockroach sauce out of this inhaler.
Black Ripley: Is there a reason your inhaler is attached to an air compressor?
Weyland: We'll see!
Black Ripley: Hey, you said your satellites can see heat, right?
Weyland: Oh yeah, totally.
Black Ripley: So if someone shot a GIANT freaking LASER FROM SPACE to BURN A HOLE INTO THE ICE, you'd pick that up right?
Weyland: Of course not.
Predators: We remain undetected.
Everyone else: Hey this is a great pyramid. HOLY [poo] WE'RE ALL DEAD!
Blood French Girl: Hey, this facehugger is dead but I'm still alive OMG THE LIFECYCLE NOW TAKES FIVE MINUTES! ALIENS EVERYWHERE!
Weyland: Predator!
Predator: I will kill y.... No I won't, my Xray vision shows you are in fact sworming with cockroaches.
Weyland: Wow. This inhaler has surprisingly high pressure. Good thing I hooked it into this air compressor. BURN!
Aliens: Our lips curl CONSTANTLY. Let's kill every Predator but the important one with the giant red [female sex organ] for a face.
Black Ripley: I have given Steven Segal his gun back and accidently killed an alien. I am now his equal.
Predator: Jesus, we kind of suck against these aliens.
[female sex organ]: I am a flying [female sex organ]. I pop out of my [female sex organ] and infect people. I am killed by beings with [female sex organ] for faces.
Audience: We mostly have never seen a [female sex organ] ever so this is a brand new original design idea for a creature.
Italian guy: It's a good thing I can read every language in the world from back in the day, because now we get to flashback to when Predators killed all of civilization to destroy the aliens they couldn't control.
Black Ripley: What?
Italian Guy: Oh yeah, well, one guy escaped and he built THIS pyramid just in case.
Black Ripley: Just making sure.
Stafford: I'm what passes for an interesting character in this movie. I am not to be trusted and was hiding guns. These character traits will be important later because....nevermind I'm dead.
Italian Guy: MY CHEST IS EXPLODING!
Predator: I can catch this alien, and squish him, because HIS blood isn't acid yet. In fact, sometimes the blood is acid, this serves our real god, the **** Script God.
Black Ripley: Like how this alien head I use as a freaking retarded shield doesn't have any blood?
Predator: This is correct.
Black Ripley: Oh no! We are being chased, we must escape up the laser burnhole, it's a good thing the winch works again and is five billion times faster.
Aliens: Foiled!
Black Ripley and Predator: Wheee! We're flying! It's a good thing no one saw the X-Files movie or this would be a really sweet scene.
Queen alien: I don't miss the rest of me. I will now rampage around.
Black Ripley: I'm running through Bones! I've never seen Jurassic Park and this is a brand new scene!
Queen Alien: [have sex with you] YOU [female dog]! We're in the arctic! There are no airlocks!
Predator: I have strapped the alien onto this big heavy thing, using the chain it's been dragging around all movie, just to be sure we would know how the movie would end two hours ago!
Queen Alien: Don't let go Rose!
Predator: I will respect you by burning your face, just like my hideous red [female sex organ] face is burned.
Predator: I am dead.
Other Predators: Black Ripley, have a staff. We've never seen Predator 2 and this is a brand new original scene.
Black Ripley: Can I get a ride home?
Other Predators: No.
Predator's Body: I HAD AN ALIEN IN ME! OH THE SHOCK!
Predalien: I am supposed to be menacing except for the fact I'm in a Predator ship filled with Preds who are all armed to the teeth trained to kill the adult me.
Audience: Hey, wait a minute, so the alien life cycle is back to being like three hours? Wasn't it a week in the future?
Paul Anderson: We're assuming no one saw any other movie ever made. Back to counting my loot.
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Who needs to actually see movies with summaries this good?
Edit: More funniez
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Namely when the guy who played Bishop (and Mr. Weyland.) was sitting at his desk with the gold pen, he goes at his fingers with it as if he is playing five finger filet. Anyone recall Hudson and Bishop at the table? Thought so.
Also the connection between current day Weyland and the Weyland-Utani corporation from Alien/Aliens/Alien3/Ressurection is simple, he started it, it exists then. The fact that Bishop looks like Mr. Weyland could be in homage of the creator of said company. Understand? Lets all think about the movie AI for a moment, the little kid was created to look like the creators real life (deceased) child.
Also the movie help many references back to the first AvP novel (Alien Versus Predator: Prey) which made it a joy to watch. All in all, I have to say that Paul Anderson did a damn good job with this movie, as he obviously read the Comics, atleast read Alien Versus Predator Prey, played the video games, and had a pretty damn good understanding of the rest of it.
Everyone, let us clap for Paul Anderson.
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You very obviously know nothing about the Predator or Alien stories, so ill have to enlighten you. The Yautja (predators) are a race of honorable hunters. If you are unarmed, weak, helpless, injured, a woman (this doesnt apply to all cases), pregnant or anything else that renders you useless in battle. They wont harm you, as it would be dishonorable to them and their clan.
If half of you critic nimwits read the novels or comics you'd understand this a lot more.
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Once again, read the novels. Any being that is deemed worthy is most of the time spared, or even blooded (accepted into the clan by) the predators associated by the one he/she/it has killed. i.e Machiko Noguchi, the black chick, Danny Glover.
In fact, Machiko Noguchi was blooded, taken offworld by the remainder of a friendly clan of Dachande's, and given the ceremonial armor of the Yautja (predators.) She became a clan member, because she assisted Dachande in killing a queen. The movie and the first novel had a few things in common like this.
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An adaptable species like the Xenomorph could probably change something like that in a matter of days, plus she was out for quite a while.
Also the connection between current day Weyland and the Weyland-Utani corporation from Alien/Aliens/Alien3/Ressurection is simple, he started it, it exists then. The fact that Bishop looks like Mr. Weyland could be in homage of the creator of said company. Understand? Lets all think about the movie AI for a moment, the little kid was created to look like the creators real life (deceased) child. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes...they're not cockroaches...I'm not sure what that guy was on...It's some kind of lung disease, either cancer or asthma I'd guess - but I don't really know of others.
On the other hand, the Weyland/Bishop thing makes absolutely no sense being as:
Bishop in Aliens is an android created after the image of Bishop the guy in Alien 3.
Bishop in Alien 3 is an actual person who designed the Bishop looking series of androids and works for Weyland Yutani.
Mr. Weyland lives 190 years in the past and looks just like Bishop.
It just...basically can't make sense.
Then the black girl killing the Alien with a spear looked like it was a complete accident, and I think the Predator would have recognized that she didn't do anything except hold up the spear and let the alien impale itself.
The screwed up Predator vision peeved me off a bit. It looks far too computer generated. I thought the outside part would just be because it's cold or something (which would have been cool, since it meant they were thinking about variable temperature changes) - however, they have the same heat signatures inside, where you can't see their breath, so it's obviously warmer - so it should show them like in the first 2 movies.
My only basis on the aliens would be that they shouldn't show up quite as much in thermal vision, because they must be cold blooded (...well acid-blooded) and going off the games, their blood would work like an electrical circuit, but probably would be more refined as to not heat them a lot.
Them there's the whole...whaling station everybody convieneny forgot about - but didn't really have a huge part in the movie anyway. The "Hey, this station went mysteriously out of service in 1904!" part didn't go anywhere either besides audience speculation.
The movie has a lot of characters that don't really go anywhere, and a story that is haphazardly thrown together - albeit with AvP universe hints thrown in. The only real reason to see the movie is to watch Predators and Aliens fight eachother. It just tries to hard without enough work put into it.
Just look at the original Predator "Yea, we're going to kill some rebels in the jungle." "Apparently Carl Weathers shouldn't have sent us here to kill a bunch of people - but we're here!" "Oh no, a cool alien is hunting us, we must defend ourselves!" See, the story makes no sense if you go before the current timeline, but the in-movie story is flawless. Why do they want to kill the rebels? God knows, but they look right doing it. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Aliens' overall plot is a bit more firm, but it too has some shakey moments (barring Alien 3 and Alien:R for the plot connectivity).
So let's not all act like Aliens and Predator were the greatest, most flawless movies ever made and point to the actual fruits of the movie, which is the action and character actions (okay, the second part falls a bit short).
I believe it's because another team's missing, and they're sent in looking for them.
also, as has been said before, 'cut-away' death scenes are repetative, boring and lack impact of any sort.
The only truely redeeming qualities of the movie were some of the acting sequences. Other than that, nothing else worth going to see it. You would expect that with a title such as AVP, they would be somewhat smart and try and make like 1/4 of the film a big fight between the Aliens and Predators. Just turns out to be a few moments plus lots of running. And there is too much talking in that movie, since every line they spoke was like driving a railroad tie into my brain, a millimeter at a time. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I don't know what you are talking about. As far as I know I spelt everything correctly and if I didn't, it's because I truely suck at spelling. I can't spell half the words I know because I don't read... Go modern day parenting rangers!
Anyways, I'm such an obscure, insignificant little speck of a forum goer that most people tend to ignore me anyways, like you are doing right now!
I'm going to go into my room and cry while listening to Dashboard Confession!
I personally thought Anderson had a hard on for the facehuggers since he made them look like big walking vaginas. And he gives them plenty of time where you can see it and masturabte to it if you are into that kinda stuff... I wouldn't let Anderson direct another film with ETs in it because of the fact that he licked the facehugger **** shots too much.
I could literally go on and on forever about continuity issues comparing AVP to the Alien and Predator movies. I love the selective gestation periods of the Xenomorph in this movie. No more than 5 min. after the first few people get attacked by facehuggers, we've got full grown aliens on our hands baby. Yeah. The scenes with the lead actress (who was the one good part of the movie...eye candy)and the Predator; jesus christ. Awful, awful dialog.
I pray that they don't do a sequel, but that from the utterly predictable ending you know they are going to do one.
But what can you expect from a man who has Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil and Event Horizon on his resume. These franchises are dead. Gone are the days of Ridley Scott, James Cameron and McTiernan. Hell, even David Fincher made an awful Alien 3 script watchable, maybe even enjoyable. These are good directors; Paul Anderson couldn't even direct the commercials for these movies.
Even the predator blooding himself in the temple was improper, considering that would be the same as leaving his clan. And I am thinking the one with the ridges in his mask was the hunt leader, atleast...he acted like it in my mind (the way he reacted to seeing the other predator being gored on the aliens tail). Do you remember the one that defied Dachande? Tichende or something of the sort, I can't remember, that is how the predator who blooded himself and Lex was acting. The only thing I strongly disagree with what Anderson did, is the way the rest of the predators clan acted towards the one who had blooded himself.
The movie to me was a cross between elements from the novels, the comics, the movies before this, and the video games. I personally think it came together nicely.
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They have always looked like little vaginas. Because they were designed by H.R Giger, who includes a lot of genitals/sex in a lot of his artwork. Hell, even the original piece of art that was picked out to be the alien was a womans body, with an alien head mounting some little robotic thing.
It wasn't THAT bad.
You people are aware that that half this movie with all the cool scenes was cut out at the last min, b/c the lamo producers wanted to make the movie PG-13 instead of R right?
And all of the best scenes in the movie contained really bad launguage/gore.
Even the director stated in an interview that with these new cuts the movie would suck. He recommended that people wait for the DVD then judge the movie. When they see the whole thing.
Yea when Movies come to the US or are made in the US the movie industries like to shoot themselves in the foot by cutting half the movie out.
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