Cs Bashing

AkfekaAkfeka Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6991Members
I'm really sick of reading people bash CS. I love NS and I love many of the things about. I also love CS. If you can't find a good server with good admins and players, thats your personal problem. If you think CS is a game without teamwork, you obviously don't play with the right people. If you think CS is over-run by hackers, you're mostly right...

But in a matter of weeks, NS will also be full of hackers. Its just a fact of online gaming, especially popular online gaming. Which means if hacking turned you away from CS, you're going to have to put more effort into finding a good NS server than you did CS, because if this continues up to #2, you're going to be quitting this because of hackers too.

NS has a very unique play-style, and I've spent the last week or so playing it with my friends. You know what, they all played CS with me too.

NS certainly encourages team-work a whole heck of a lot more than CS. It also has a much greater atmospheric feel than CS does. However, CS has a better weapon model than NS. The two are very different mods, and comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges.

If you are going to continue to be such a hater, you need to grow up.
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  • FishguyFishguy Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6995Members
    i loved CS back in the day (versions 5 - 1.3) but 1.4 ruined it for me and its just never drawn me back in like it had originally,
    so i dont play it.

    i play NS now, not becasue of hatred of CS, but because i feel NS is a superior mod,
    but that doesnt suddenly mean CS sucks
  • MerciorMercior Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4019Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Errrrr sorry, I'm not a "hater" as you put it but CS <b>does</b> infact suck. Excuse me for having an opinion!
  • WoggyWoggy Join Date: 2002-10-09 Member: 1466Members
    edited November 2002
    Yes. CS gets very boring very soon.
    BTW : NS has ways to deal with cheaters, including the Valve anti-cheat thingo that always updates when new hacks are released, I think.
  • NadagastNadagast Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6884Members
    edited November 2002
    NS is running with VAC support already? I'd like an answer <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->


    And I played CS from the day it was released (old skewl <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ) and my playtime started dropping off after beta 6, and finally was gone by version 1. It just got really lame, but back in the day before the netcode, CS was easily my favorite mod for HL, even above TFC. It was by far one of the most fun games ever. I come from TFC, and I personally hate a lot of CS players because their community sucks and all the **obscenity** newbies who buy it and don't know wtf they are doing. Oh yeah and there is that little hacking thing. I doubt there would be many cheats for the HL engine if there was no CS...

    Anyway, I hate crap thats so commercial...and newbies flock to it, and cheaters...
  • LokusLokus Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2106Members
    Stop sipping on the Hatorade.
  • deimos_telarindeimos_telarin Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6248Members
    lol

    Tell me how players would cheat in NS?

    The joy of playing NS, is the process, not the outcome.

    Because the outcome is rather obvious if the good progress is made.
  • smokedbaconsmokedbacon Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6006Members
    edited November 2002
    I spent the better part of yesterday being yelled at by an alien, forget the name, but he was claiming I was cheating, using an aimbot as a marine. He kept attacking me as a skulk, and I kept taking him down with my LMG. He finally left when everyone on his team, and the marines were calling him a newbie.

    About CS....It sucks _now_. It didn't use to. I played from Beta 1 to Beta 6.5. RELIGIOUSLY. There was nothing else I really played. It was my life. Then after Beta 7 it started to slow down, and then after that It stopped all together. I started back up just recently, and play every so often....it still sucks, but sometimes is fun.

    Theres not much motivation to cheat in NS, as its team win only. Really the only reason right now is to get kills as an Alien, but somehow I doubt there would be anyway to cheat, other than seeing through walls. I think the alien score count needs to be removed, just like the Marines.
  • deimos_telarindeimos_telarin Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6248Members
    lol

    True.

    Online CS is ruined forever when wall hack and aimbot was introduced.

    IMO, it is CS's own gameplay that allowed such hacks to be exist in the 1st place.
  • wutdaheckwutdaheck Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6015Members
    The number of hackers I've encountered on CS can be counted on one hand.
    CS is a good mod but it's just too repetitive. And the many of the players are far more... blech. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TabrisTabris Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4273Members
    I agree that cs can sometimes be very repetative....

    Another thing ive notced.. is we dont have any equivalents to ... heavy weapon guy **obscenity**.. or awp **obscenity**....

    Rts makes it a much different game and you cannot play by the same rules.
  • KissamiesKissamies Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4748Members
    Heh, I never liked CS and I have tried just about every version between beta 1 and 1.3, or whatever it was a year and few months ago. It was a bit more fun to play before it became popular, but it was never good in my books.

    The only time I played CS with any kind of regularity was during the 2 months between CS's first beta and Action Half-Life's first public beta. Although AHL beta 1 was really buggy (it was fixed in the first month or two), CS just couldn't compare with the style.

    This is only my opinion and I know there is a vast majority which disagrees with me (just look at the servers), but there is no need to flame me for that. I'm happy I'm not alone with my love with NS <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JorderonJorderon Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1793Members
    I started CS in Beta 4. I still play on and off today, but its not the same game as it once was.

    /rant

    I remember the "glory days" when you could jump and aim, and the colt had a scope, and the maps didnt suck as bad (in other words, when the game required SKILL). No server even bothers to host the time honored cs_siege and cs_docks maps anymore, cs_office has been defiled (what office building has 2 foot steel doors?) as_xxxx maps are unheard of. Whatever happend to the es_xxxx variety of maps either? Probably the most compelling type of map with a totally unique objective and new style of play. I'll tell you, nothing, the idiot community screwd it up for those of us who actually played the game to have fun. The same idiot community who shuns bunny hopping yet cheats more than any other gaming community I have ever seen. Wake up fools, bunny hopping is no more of an exploit than Rocket Jumping, or concing in TFC. Been in the game since day one, I don't know what all the fuss was/is about.

    CS is nothing but a bunch of whimp stat-**obscenity** jerks who care nothing about an objective or even a teammate. Their only goal is leet ratios. You need a gestapo like adminship to beat the griefing-camping crew away from your server, but they always come, eventually. There are a select few servers that can be played on, but they are few and far between. The game has simply lost itself.


    Now with 1.6 they're adding new weapons (this has a history of making the game SUCK COMPLETLEY btw). Also a totally new item for the CT's, a freaking shield.... whatever. The T's get a new rifle, whoptie freaking-do, it probably costs more than the AK, does half the damage, and half the fire rate, and double the recoil, but it costs more. Reminds me of when they introduced the new sniper rifles, and the UMP. Don't get me started on how absoloutley pointless the elites are.

    I've adopted a new playstyle for CS. When the game starts to suck, I leave the server. I'm lucky to get one map rotation in on my regular server before I become disgusted with the game in general.

    Oh well hope you enjoyed my rant, im done for the moment.
  • JA1numJA1num Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7261Members
    CS used to be my most favourite game,id' probably do anything just to play beta 4 again when there's soo little hackers and it's way more fun,less awp **obscenity** and bloody cheating accusations,and now since CS's retail the gameplay's totally ruined,u cant even identify a hacker anymore coz all the BS going on in CS everyday
  • deimos_telarindeimos_telarin Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6248Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rts makes it a much different game and you cannot play by the same rules.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes.

    NS is a RTS with heavy zone control elements.

    But I don't think the new players(both alien and marine players) has come to realise this fact yet.
  • padijunpadijun Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3419Members
    After playing it for 2 years or so, I've come to the conclusion that CS is just a team deathmatch with corny weapon physics and bad graphics. The community seems like a bunch of idiots and the game is full of cheaters. My opinion, and I don't go around spouting it off everywhere I go, but that's all CS will ever amount to in my eyes.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    CS was only good against bots or on a LAN with people you know.

    (I used RealBot really good and you don't need to wait for the round to re-start you just kill all the bots!)

    Online it was pretty lame, there's no teamwork or anything resembleing a team at all, At least bots support you!
  • StormehStormeh Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3541Members
    CS became booring when they removed the scoped m4 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    And another thing that annoys me is that they havent realy changed anything since CS 1.0. The only thing i notice are that you can bunnyjump anymore. Its the same weapons, and the same maps. They added a few maps but they are booring as hell. And the weapon models. They used to be the greatest looking models of all mods, but they are getting really old now i think, and they havent even bothered to make a new v_ or w_ model for the m4 (it still has the scope on it).
  • WingWangManWingWangMan Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5856Members
    I have grown a dislike for CS mainly because (1) The gameplay was repetitive... and sometimes predictable (ESPECIALLY ON De_Dust *hiss)... and (2) I often meet a LOT (and I mean a LOT) of either, immature players, general **obscenity**, or cheaters who always find a way around the anti-cheat stuff.
  • XaniethXanieth Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7280Members
    CS is too repetitive.. I was obsessed with it for a year or so. I downloaded it and I bought Half-Life for it because of all the things I've heard about CS Retail, and plus I wanted to experience other mods for Half-Life. Before 1.4, CS was great. It was fun for all! But nooo, they just had to take out bunny hopping. Even though I started at CS1.1, I loved playing the as_xxx and es_xxx maps.

    CS didn't just die because it went retail. It died because all cliffe and Gooseman wanted was money.
  • CyborgguineapigCyborgguineapig Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3233Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Akfeka+Nov 8 2002, 07:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Akfeka @ Nov 8 2002, 07:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->

    But in a matter of weeks, NS will also be full of hackers. Its just a fact of online gaming, especially popular online gaming. Which means if hacking turned you away from CS, you're going to have to put more effort into finding a good NS server than you did CS, because if this continues up to #2, you're going to be quitting this because of hackers too.
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    Um wrong. Nice try. There are plenty of popular games out there that have a way to block cheats completely and saying NS will be filled with hackers within a week is a little steriotypical just because its HL Community. I don't remember any other game thats been currently released where my fun was spoiled by "hackers" Its mainly CS for who knows why. CS has become too popular. I still just don't understand why CS, why not any other game?
  • AwakenAwaken Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7502Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--deimos_telarin+Nov 8 2002, 09:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (deimos_telarin @ Nov 8 2002, 09:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->IMO, it is CS's own gameplay that allowed such hacks to be exist in the 1st place.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not really. Valve had released the source code for Half-Life so it was only a matter of time until someone used it to exploit the game.

    Cheats have been out for Half-Life DM for ages, then CS and other MODs such as DoD. It wasn't CS's gameplay that allowed such hacks. Gee many other games have hacks ie. MOHAA, RTCW etc.

    It will only be a matter of time before their are hacks out for NS. For those who say that they run on the Valve Anti Cheat system, doesn't mean squatt. I was sent to this website for CS hacks the other day and it had a list of every CS hack out and whether they are detected or not by VAC. An alarming ammount of cheats were not detected by VAC. This would be the same with NS when cheats are made for it.
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    QUOTE (deimos_telarin @ Nov 8 2002, 09:07 PM)
    IMO, it is CS's own gameplay that allowed such hacks to be exist in the 1st place.

    Not really. Valve had released the source code for Half-Life so it was only a matter of time until someone used it to exploit the game.
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    No, CS is especially prone to hacking. In other games a death isnt really that important but in CS you get punished by having to sit out for a possible 4:59 (if your really unlucky). In other games you have time to respond if your being attacked and you can often fight off opponents even if they ambush you with a rocket to the face or something. In CS you have almost no possibility of returning fire if your ambushed, especially if your opponent is good. The style of the game means your more effective if you know where everyone is as finding people in the right situation is half the fight. Wall hacks would be almost useless in most DM games (except for hunting down the newly respawned players) because all your doing is finding them, you still have to kill them. In fact the best players would love to jump on to a public server with loads of wall hackers, let them come to him <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.
    CS is designed for hackers, name one game that would be better to hack for! Name one game where hacks will make more of a difference! Llama's and evil gits dont like to die and in CS dying is extremely bad (it isnt normally), people dont like to die without being able to fight back, how many times have you died in one shot from behind you?

    CS is good on a lan with friends... but then most games are and Id much prefer to play superbomberman with them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->



    Now think about NS. Someone said people will only want to cheat with the khaara but how are you going to cheat? Wall hack is a bit redundant as are aimbots, skin hacks so you can see them? Enhanced hive sight. The only possible ways they could cheat would be extremely obvious, onos on one hive? Loads of free resources? exactly, and they will soon be spotted. Of course those are new cheats so it will at least take some time for them to appear if they are even possible. NS isnt about personal success anyway. One skulk may be seriously kicking butt but if the rest of its team isnt then they will lose. Is anyone gonna say "Nice score Mr.Skulk" or will they say "aha, Marines>Aliens", maybe the cheater will get some credit if the aliens win but since when have cheaters cared about teams?

    NS>CS
  • hdeckhdeck Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2596Members
    wow, lots of cs haters. i'm thinking cs is kind of analogous to music. when it's not very popular it's an awesome game (like indie music & punk are "real music") but once it becomes popular that automatically means it sucks. It's really sad that so many people have this viewpoint. I've only played CS since 1.3, but I can still enjoy the game every couple of days. As far as people being too concerned with their ratios, find better servers, or join a league so that the focus isn't on kills/deaths, but rather winning the round.

    and whoever said colt still has a scope is sadly mistaken. it didn't have one in 1.3, doesn't have one now.
  • ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
    CS used to be my favourite game but now i hate it coz of its stupid aiming system.
  • NiteowlNiteowl Join Date: 2002-09-04 Member: 1274Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--CMEast+Nov 8 2002, 01:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CMEast @ Nov 8 2002, 01:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    CS is good on a lan with friends... but then most games are and Id much prefer to play superbomberman with them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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    ROFL


    yeah, my buddy has an XBox with like a BIJILLION games, and we'll be playing whatever, Desert Crisis or Silent Hill; out the blue he says "Hey, you wanna play Super Bomberman?". So we pull out the deprecated (tee hee) Dreamcast and go at it for a few hours.

    gameplay gameplay gameplay.

    it's ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC that NS devs, flayra, and NS PTs were able to combine amazing graphics (out of the HL engine!) and immersive, crack cocaine addictive gameplay.


    in my next life i want to be a Skulk <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    edited November 2002
    Im proud to say Ive always hated CS from its very first beta... or rather, not hated as such (dont hate the game now although many of its players disgust me) but Ive never liked the concept and found its gameplay shallow and unoriginal. Ive never been a fan of realism, especially not just enough realism to ruin the game but with enough unrealistic bits (no control over because of the engine/technology etc) for everyone to be able to complain i.e. BunnyHopping.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    find better servers, or join a league so that the focus isn't on kills/deaths, but rather winning the round
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    Why should you have to avoid cheaters. Why should whole servers been given over to llamas? Very few games have to do it and none as much as CS does. Id rather jump on to any NS or TFC server and have a good game than jump from server to server trying to find that golden IP with decent admins and no cheaters at all.

    [Edit] I play Superbomberman on the Genesis! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> [/Edit]
  • padijunpadijun Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3419Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--hdeck+Nov 8 2002, 11:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hdeck @ Nov 8 2002, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->wow, lots of cs haters. i'm thinking cs is kind of analogous to music. when it's not very popular it's an awesome game (like indie music & punk are "real music") but once it becomes popular that automatically means it sucks.

    and whoever said colt still has a scope is sadly mistaken. it didn't have one in 1.3, doesn't have one now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think it's more a matter of my realizing what it is. Team deathmatch, bad graphics, bad community, full of hackers. If you gave me that (fairly accurate) description of CS before I had played it, I would have avoided it like the plague. And the Colt DID have a scope up until the late beta 5, which was what the guy was saying.
  • Sgt_BortSgt_Bort Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7357Members
    In my opinion one of the biggest reasons CS turned out to be such a shallow game (on most public servers anyway) is because of the ridiculous individual frag scores...this deters from team play so much it's not funny. Having said that I still have great CS games in clan wars, in which we play as a team. NS doesn't have to turn out this way, and the dev's are already on a head-start with no individual frags for the marines...now we just have to convince them to rid the alien scores aswell. It might not stop all cheats from coming to NS, but it would DEFINATELY reduce it significantly as their incentive for cheating would not be here! Click on link below and let the dev's know!
  • AwakenAwaken Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7502Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--CMEast+Nov 9 2002, 01:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CMEast @ Nov 9 2002, 01:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    CS is designed for hackers, name one game that would be better to hack for! Name one game where hacks will make more of a difference! Llama's and evil gits dont like to die and in CS dying is extremely bad (it isnt normally), people dont like to die without being able to fight back, how many times have you died in one shot from behind you?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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    I personally don't really care if I get killed. So you have to wait a while? Big deal. Rounds only last 5 minutes, 5 measely minutes of your life. How about them real CT's who have to wait hours before even doing anything. The snipers who stay in the same position for hours waiting for the order to fire a shot. 5 minutes isn't much at all and if you lack patience to wait 5 minutes then I don't know why you play NS, as some maps I have seen and played in have lasted 2-3+ hours.

    "Name one game where hacks will make more of a difference!" Mate any game can have hacks that make more of a difference. As for HLDM - wallhack and aimbot together does the same job as it would in CS. QuakeDM - aimbots used to make sure you are dead on target. Many games have hacks these days and the people who use them have an advantage over the legit players. Regardless of wether you spawn after a few seconds or even 5 minutes, spawn times don't mean squatt when talking about hacks.

    It's basically the same as inputting a cheat into a game. Say you are playing Quake, you put in the godmode and all weapons cheat. Now that is making a dramatic difference in the game as you can't be killed and you have all the weapons at your disposal.

    Anything such as hacks or inputting a cheat is exploiting a game and doing so to give yourself advantage over the others. The fact that CS is full of hackers is due to it's popularity, not it's gameplay. All FPS games you shoot guns of some sort, you have walls around the maps, wallhacks and aimbots do the same job in all FPS games.
  • LurchyLurchy Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7374Members
    like i have said to alot of people, "if theres a online game there will be a online cheat for it", there are people out there that arent good at games and must cheat to feel good

    i personally think the best anti-cheat system out there for a online game was Tribes 2, though it does have a few cheats out there for it it does not work online,amd theres no way of using a hook cheaat with it as you have to login first which stops any way of a cheat working, plus when you buy the game you get given a cd key and with that cd key you have to register that key so that stops cd changing and ripping off

    i recon if valve want to make it anti-cheat start looking at Tribes 2 anti-cheat system

    i recon there will be cheats for NS soon enuff but just play and enjoy the cheat free ns while ya can

    good work to the designers i recon ya made a grat mod
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