did you ever use to own a sega mega drive and buy a game only to get stuck at a point and spend forever trying to get past it,then going and buying a gamin mag with cheats at the back and using either oen or two jsut so ya could get past that one stucky point?
i know i did and i'm sure theres alot of you or other people that have
i hate CS both because of the hacking, the players, AND the GAME!
It's a skillless deathmatch game and anybody who argues with that (short of clan matches) is simply one of the deathmatchers themselves. Any game where you can kill people in either 2 shots or 15 shots (in the exact same spot mind you) is a game about luck and randomness rather than skill. How come sometimes a shot to the chest does like 40 dammage and other times it does MAYBE 20? All those times of shooting somebody with an entire clip and WATCHING the bullets hit them, only to have them turn around and double tap you for instant death. Lets not even TALK about the LUCK involved with actually hitting somebody. Inaccuracy HAUNTS this game. There's no consistant dammage or grouping of bullets. The reason CS is so popular is because of this fact. People with only mediocre skill can get on a server and, with a little luck, own an entire team. This makes them feel like they have skills, even when they don't.
This is why it apealed to mass retailers who had never even heard of a mod before, they thought they were 1337 when they were simply lucky. This made these 12 yr olds very arogent and so when they lost, they complained that others were hacking and got their own cheats to balance it out. Back in B5 or even B6 i liked CS. I could consistantly get on a server and at least get in the top 3 on my team, EVEN though i had a 56k at that time. But then with every update to CS the accuracy got lowered, the dammage got more random, and the skill required deminished. Anybody who was around in B5 would tell you that the game required a lot more skill back then. And it got to the point where all i had to do was use a random number generator to find out where i would be this game. So many kills felt like they were extreamly cheap. I'd sneak up on somebody, fired in a whole clip and they'd pull a matrix to kill me in 2 shots. This should NEVER happen in a game designed to be fun.
It got to the point where my hand would hurt after a CS session because i became SO frustrated with the game that i'd pound my hand on the desk. I couldn't figure out what changed. I'd gone from owning the servers all the time to maybe winning sometimes by sheer luck or maybe getting owned myself because my random number happend to be 20 dammage while my enemies number was 50. It was these kind of frustrations that ultimatly made me give up the game. For a while i tried to convince myself that my skill in tactics and stealth could make up for the lack of skill required to kill somebody, but even that hope died out by beta 7, and that's when i left CS and i've had a burning hatred for it every since.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of decent people who play CS, and when most people (including me) refer to "CS newbies" we are speaking of the people who simply baught the game off the shelf and it was their first online gaming experience. They don't know how to use a 3rd party server browser, they don't know how to install a mod, they don't know the traditional ethical rules that the online community goes by, and thus they are CS newbies. This isn't a bad thing. If they are willing to learn we'll teach them, getting more people in the community is a good thing. It's the immature ones who like to spout racist remarks with names like "osama bin ladin" or "i_pwn_j00" that give CS newbies a bad name. We typically call this immature section of the community n00bs in order to mock their 1337 speak.
Because of this bad community and the fact that the whole game WANTS you to play team deathmatch (this is the only game i've seen thus far where the OBJECT is to kill the oposing team, yet they say it's not team deathmatch?). Team deathmatch is very repetitive, and for this reason CS would have died out after B7 except for the fact that it got thousands of new players via retail sales. CS is on the verge of death. The HL engine in general is in slow decline. Games such as BF1942 and UT2K3 are convincing people to buy better machines, so the HL engine which apealed to so many for it's low system requirements is gong the way of Q1. I'm guessing by this time next year the HL community will be at least 25% smaller, probably as much as 33% smaller. BF1942/wolfenstien/MOH already took much of the DoD community. NS is great, and i don't mind the fact that it's on the HL engine, i just can't wait to see it ported onto the TF2 engine (in the year 2004 of course <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->).
<!--QuoteBegin--Awake'n+Nov 8 2002, 01:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Awake'n @ Nov 8 2002, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally don't really care if I get killed. So you have to wait a while? Big deal. Rounds only last 5 minutes, 5 measely minutes of your life. How about them real CT's who have to wait hours before even doing anything. The snipers who stay in the same position for hours waiting for the order to fire a shot. 5 minutes isn't much at all and if you lack patience to wait 5 minutes then I don't know why you play NS, as some maps I have seen and played in have lasted 2-3+ hours.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bad comparison.
1. Real life is not video games. 2. I can think of better things to do than watch 2 idiots run around on opposite sides of the map with for 5 minutes. 3. In NS, you're dead for 30 seconds max (unless your hives/base is getting destroyed, of course). Deaths are fewer and further between.
<!--QuoteBegin--Tabris+Nov 8 2002, 11:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tabris @ Nov 8 2002, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As an ex cser.. i can tell you that the game does take skill... and it does matter where you aim.
Its just a different type of game... Just agree to that...so STOP COMPARING THEM AND FLAMING EACH OTHER><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> not trying to compare it to NS, i'm just saying the game is sux0r after B7 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
In DM aimbot won't do jack **obscenity** unless your using a sniper weapon, because most of the weapons have a spread shot or you don't even have to aim to do damage. I mean come on, even with a fast firing rocket launcher (i.e. quake 2) you really think having aimbot will help you kill someone? Get over yourselves, the whole point is to aim in front of them and maybe to the ground, aiming exactly where they are will only help you miss. On another point sometimes your alive just long enough to maybe see someone on your el33t cheater radar before you die. Seriously when you respawn YOU ARE being attacked.
<!--QuoteBegin--padijun+Nov 9 2002, 12:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (padijun @ Nov 9 2002, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Awake'n+Nov 8 2002, 01:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Awake'n @ Nov 8 2002, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I personally don't really care if I get killed. So you have to wait a while? Big deal. Rounds only last 5 minutes, 5 measely minutes of your life. How about them real CT's who have to wait hours before even doing anything. The snipers who stay in the same position for hours waiting for the order to fire a shot. 5 minutes isn't much at all and if you lack patience to wait 5 minutes then I don't know why you play NS, as some maps I have seen and played in have lasted 2-3+ hours.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bad comparison.
1. Real life is not video games. 2. I can think of better things to do than watch 2 idiots run around on opposite sides of the map with for 5 minutes. 3. In NS, you're dead for 30 seconds max (unless your hives/base is getting destroyed, of course). Deaths are fewer and further between.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah but with CS they are trying to make it somewhat realistic what with weapon recoil and what not.
The point is if you don't enjoy it, then don't play it, simple as that. No need to go on about how it "sucks". So you don't like it, whippedy doo dah day, there are thousands who do and who probably think something you like "sucks".
If you think it sucks so much then let's see you create a game that is better.
i agree with Bridger that the randomization in CS is turning it more and more into a game of luck rather than skill.
Lurchy. i use cheats on single player console games to get infinite lives or skip levels because i can't stand repeating things over and over that are exactly the same everytime. i want to experience the whole game and not drive myself insane with the repetetiveness, but i never cheat in multiplayer games because that is just being a total a$$hole.
I actually tried CS way before it went retail. Yes I suck at it. Trying to learn the game even after RTFM online is a bit daunting. Asking questions gets you yelled at, called names, and basically ignored even then. I found out of the 50 servers I tried to play on and winding up playing spectator for just about every match. Not many were willing to even help. Silence or the all important STFU or RTFM was all I ever received.
No, I understand you haven't asked why I hate CS.. I honestly don't hate the mod, I actually believe its a very good mod. I hate the elitest players who wont take time to help someone learn. After a week, I gave up on the mod all together.
At least with TFC you have a fighting chance, not much to read, but hop on in and start playing. People there will actually try and help you. True, you run into complete elitests who have the CS attitude and give you STFU and RTFM. But based against CS, they are much friendlier and not ready to rip your head off the first time you ask a simple question.
The same is with NS, people are willing to help each other when someone has a question. Its one thing to RTFM and trying to do such online. The manual goes a long way in explaining all the features, however, it takes experience to understand them. At least on NS you get a chance to experience it without doing a spectator mode for 5 minutes until the next round.
I honestly hope that the NS population will never develop the elitism that has gripped the CS community.
I used to play cs back in the beta 5 days on my 56 k modem, back then i was running a p450 , 128 mb of rama nd a voodoo 3 ... guess what the game ran so smoothly , it loaded in like 5 seconds .. now try playing cs on that system .. it will fry your cpu .. i dunno wtf they did to it , but it sucks now.
Now all you see is a bunch of nubs spraying and get luck headshots. The cheats werent around till about beta 6 or 7, but by then the game was losing its appeal anyways . and odnt get me started on those 12 year old admins who have nothing better to do than ban anyone hwo kills them, and those stupid fy_ maps ... wtf is up with those ? i mean cmon fy_iceworld ? plz , the game is just for llamas and noobies now . no skill to it.
NS however takes skill ;p u have to know what your doing. But even better than that is it is extremely fun, something new, unique to the hl community , and a blast t play. Damn, this mod is so good u should sell it ;p
I see it the same as most these people, I was around when the game was just released. Just on shelves, I loved it! I couldn't stop playing! Then they updated, still good. Finally 1.4 sucked it up completly. These HD packs make it nice to look at but looks get old quick. I don't even hate it totally for the gameplay, hackers and sheer stupidity of the design (Cops buying guns? Please!) overall though is how people call it a REALISM GAME!!! It is SSOOOO FAR FROM BEING REALISTIC IT'S SICKENING! The damage is pethetic, the accuracy is far from realistic and well, the list goes on for months. Over all it could be a awsome game, I just wonder how it's so popular now when it sucks SO very much...
Awake'n, while you and I have enough patience to wait five minutes do you think hackers do? My brother (curse his mangy little hide) is a hacker wannabe (luckily hes been shipped off to Africa). I finally had to uninstall CS when he got fed up of spectating all round and told me he was gonna find some cheats like everyone else! I then told him that CS couldnt be reinstalled because my copy of HL had a bug somewhere and it kept crashing <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Of course he turned to sniping on TFC but at least he was honestly good at that even if he was completely useless.
Oh and comparing real life to CS isnt the best way to justify its little... eccentricities. So what if in real life you have to wait for hours compared to a minute or two, we arent playing real life, real life isnt fun, probably even less fun if your getting shot at. CS is a game and is supposed to be fun, if CS could be made the best game in the world by giving people custard pie weapons and making one team all look like penguins then so be it. Have you ever played an F1 game? They are fairly realistic (depending, of course, on the one you chose) and will always be more realistic than combat games... they are incredibly boring to all but the most hardcore F1 followers.
If realism is best then if you want I could make you a really realistic 'watch paint drying on wall' game. I could even enclose a small tin of paint which you could sniff as you play to make it even more realistic! Hey, maybe getting high offthe fumes will make it more fun <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
We dont enjoy it, we dont play it, it typifies everything we hate most about online games. You may love it but that doesnt mean that we arent right, I mean, some people play deer hunter <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->. Each to their own I guess, if it werent for people like you S&M just wouldnt exist <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I happen to like CS, although I've gotten kind of bored with it and I now find NS much more fun. The only real complaint I have about it is the awful AWP. It should never have been put in the game, although it's too late to take it out now. It isn't right for you to fear going up against someone in direct combat just because they have an AWP.
And anyhow, CS obviously can't be THAT bad of tens of thousands of people are playing it at any given instant of any given day.
if anything i think it will be easier to hack in NS then CS because NS is really complicated. You also cant see somebody 1st person view. If somebody accuses u of wallhack well that could just be "hive sight nub!"
Hacking isint about winning either. Its about **obscenity** ppl off. You guys know who myg0t is right? They dont call themselves a hacking clan they call themselves a rage clan. People can **obscenity** off everybody even more here then in CS. Recycling buildings, kiling the hive, and building stuff on ppl.
CS takes alot of teamwork in scrims/pugs/matches one person makes a noise can jeprodise an entire round. I think NS is more strategy while CS is more tactics IMHO. as for needing no skill then why dont u go to CPL? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I don't understand how so many people have had such a bad <edit>mind-blowingly devastating</edit> experience with the cs community. I must have really lucked out or something (maybe it's the fact that I mostly play on a local-ish server). But even picking through random servers, I find there are usually more mature players than cs n00bs and jerk-offs. It probably helps if you try out the public clan servers, since these servers generally have dedicated mini-communities and core groups of admins.
As far as ns goes, it seems as though the a$$ factor is a lot more randomly distributed (since it's newer). And although most players are mature enough, there are some people who are so annoying I just want to reach through their monitors and punch them in the face.
Conclusion: NS is good, CS is for the most part good, the human race sucks monkey balls...
yeah mr. smiles ive had a good exspierence with it too. I also find that before school gets out you almost never meet those ppl. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
CS and NS are worlds apart, don't compare them or you're extremely stupid.
CS -is- a great mod, the problem is that there's like 5 bizillion freaking people playing it, and when you have that many people playing, you're going to get stupid little kiddies and cheaters and Koreans (Oh man I'm going to get flamed for that one). CS has like what...14,000 servers?
If you want to enjoy CS, go find a GOOD clan server. I play on a clan server ran by [RAH] (Real American Heroes), private servers with people I know from a certain website, and that's IT. Most generic pub servers lick balls since there's a lack of Admins. A good admin can spot a cheater very quickly, so if you're on a good server that usually has an admin around, cheaters have very short lifespans.
CS requires lots of skill if you're playing with good people. If you don't think it takes skill, go play on a clan server and try to AWP people (because you know, the AWP is <i>SO</i> easy to use), after you get raped, come back here and feed me your lies about CS requiring "no skill".
Again, CS and NS are totally different playing experiences. If you want shoot-em-up blood-n-guts action with a team element and a nice selection of guns and short rounds, go for CS.
If you like suspense, amazing graphics (even compared to more modern games), awesome atmosphere and sounds, 2+ hour rounds, and simple non-light-speed-fragfest action, go play NS.
There'll be cheaters in NS, but they'll find out very quickly they don't help.
Don't listen to anyone from Myg0t. They're retards, and obviously don't understand how traditional cheats will be nearly useless in gaining the upper hand unless a whole TEAM is cheating (and even then, they won't help much).
I mean, what's an aimbot and wallhack going to do for an alien or marine? A marine can see aliens anyway with Scanner Sweeps, and being able to see EXACTLY where that Onos or fade is isn't going to matter, because even if you have an aimbot making sure you don't miss a shot, the fade/onos will just walk through your puny hail of bullets and gut you if you have no backup. Aliens can practically see through walls anyway with hivesight, and aimbots aren't going to help you if you run into a room of turrets and very angry heavy armor marines.
The worst point in time for CS was when it went retail. That is when you got a mass pack of n00bs starting to play and found it very hard as most of the others were experianced. Alot couldnt be bothered to learn so some started up cheats and others got em.
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> i would love to see the ballistics shield though, the way CS works an ak will probably shoot through it with ease and do slightly less dmg. With the rifles you can shoot through 6ft walls and crates and the bullets still hurt like hell.
I aint played it in ages though, there dont seem to be many ppl that played since early betas that still play.
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did you ever use to own a sega mega drive and buy a game only to get stuck at a point and spend forever trying to get past it,then going and buying a gamin mag with cheats at the back and using either oen or two jsut so ya could get past that one stucky point?
i know i did and i'm sure theres alot of you or other people that have
there will always be game cheats
It's a skillless deathmatch game and anybody who argues with that (short of clan matches) is simply one of the deathmatchers themselves. Any game where you can kill people in either 2 shots or 15 shots (in the exact same spot mind you) is a game about luck and randomness rather than skill. How come sometimes a shot to the chest does like 40 dammage and other times it does MAYBE 20? All those times of shooting somebody with an entire clip and WATCHING the bullets hit them, only to have them turn around and double tap you for instant death. Lets not even TALK about the LUCK involved with actually hitting somebody. Inaccuracy HAUNTS this game. There's no consistant dammage or grouping of bullets. The reason CS is so popular is because of this fact. People with only mediocre skill can get on a server and, with a little luck, own an entire team. This makes them feel like they have skills, even when they don't.
This is why it apealed to mass retailers who had never even heard of a mod before, they thought they were 1337 when they were simply lucky.
This made these 12 yr olds very arogent and so when they lost, they complained that others were hacking and got their own cheats to balance it out. Back in B5 or even B6 i liked CS. I could consistantly get on a server and at least get in the top 3 on my team, EVEN though i had a 56k at that time. But then with every update to CS the accuracy got lowered, the dammage got more random, and the skill required deminished. Anybody who was around in B5 would tell you that the game required a lot more skill back then. And it got to the point where all i had to do was use a random number generator to find out where i would be this game. So many kills felt like they were extreamly cheap. I'd sneak up on somebody, fired in a whole clip and they'd pull a matrix to kill me in 2 shots. This should NEVER happen in a game designed to be fun.
It got to the point where my hand would hurt after a CS session because i became SO frustrated with the game that i'd pound my hand on the desk. I couldn't figure out what changed. I'd gone from owning the servers all the time to maybe winning sometimes by sheer luck or maybe getting owned myself because my random number happend to be 20 dammage while my enemies number was 50. It was these kind of frustrations that ultimatly made me give up the game. For a while i tried to convince myself that my skill in tactics and stealth could make up for the lack of skill required to kill somebody, but even that hope died out by beta 7, and that's when i left CS and i've had a burning hatred for it every since.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of decent people who play CS, and when most people (including me) refer to "CS newbies" we are speaking of the people who simply baught the game off the shelf and it was their first online gaming experience. They don't know how to use a 3rd party server browser, they don't know how to install a mod, they don't know the traditional ethical rules that the online community goes by, and thus they are CS newbies. This isn't a bad thing. If they are willing to learn we'll teach them, getting more people in the community is a good thing. It's the immature ones who like to spout racist remarks with names like "osama bin ladin" or "i_pwn_j00" that give CS newbies a bad name. We typically call this immature section of the community n00bs in order to mock their 1337 speak.
Because of this bad community and the fact that the whole game WANTS you to play team deathmatch (this is the only game i've seen thus far where the OBJECT is to kill the oposing team, yet they say it's not team deathmatch?). Team deathmatch is very repetitive, and for this reason CS would have died out after B7 except for the fact that it got thousands of new players via retail sales. CS is on the verge of death. The HL engine in general is in slow decline. Games such as BF1942 and UT2K3 are convincing people to buy better machines, so the HL engine which apealed to so many for it's low system requirements is gong the way of Q1. I'm guessing by this time next year the HL community will be at least 25% smaller, probably as much as 33% smaller. BF1942/wolfenstien/MOH already took much of the DoD community. NS is great, and i don't mind the fact that it's on the HL engine, i just can't wait to see it ported onto the TF2 engine (in the year 2004 of course <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->).
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Bad comparison.
1. Real life is not video games.
2. I can think of better things to do than watch 2 idiots run around on opposite sides of the map with for 5 minutes.
3. In NS, you're dead for 30 seconds max (unless your hives/base is getting destroyed, of course). Deaths are fewer and further between.
Its just a different type of game... Just agree to that...so STOP COMPARING THEM AND FLAMING EACH OTHER>
Its just a different type of game... Just agree to that...so STOP COMPARING THEM AND FLAMING EACH OTHER><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
not trying to compare it to NS, i'm just saying the game is sux0r after B7 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Bad comparison.
1. Real life is not video games.
2. I can think of better things to do than watch 2 idiots run around on opposite sides of the map with for 5 minutes.
3. In NS, you're dead for 30 seconds max (unless your hives/base is getting destroyed, of course). Deaths are fewer and further between.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah but with CS they are trying to make it somewhat realistic what with weapon recoil and what not.
The point is if you don't enjoy it, then don't play it, simple as that. No need to go on about how it "sucks". So you don't like it, whippedy doo dah day, there are thousands who do and who probably think something you like "sucks".
If you think it sucks so much then let's see you create a game that is better.
Lurchy. i use cheats on single player console games to get infinite lives or skip levels because i can't stand repeating things over and over that are exactly the same everytime. i want to experience the whole game and not drive myself insane with the repetetiveness, but i never cheat in multiplayer games because that is just being a total a$$hole.
No, I understand you haven't asked why I hate CS.. I honestly don't hate the mod, I actually believe its a very good mod. I hate the elitest players who wont take time to help someone learn. After a week, I gave up on the mod all together.
At least with TFC you have a fighting chance, not much to read, but hop on in and start playing. People there will actually try and help you. True, you run into complete elitests who have the CS attitude and give you STFU and RTFM. But based against CS, they are much friendlier and not ready to rip your head off the first time you ask a simple question.
The same is with NS, people are willing to help each other when someone has a question. Its one thing to RTFM and trying to do such online. The manual goes a long way in explaining all the features, however, it takes experience to understand them. At least on NS you get a chance to experience it without doing a spectator mode for 5 minutes until the next round.
I honestly hope that the NS population will never develop the elitism that has gripped the CS community.
Take care all.
LS
Now all you see is a bunch of nubs spraying and get luck headshots. The cheats werent around till about beta 6 or 7, but by then the game was losing its appeal anyways . and odnt get me started on those 12 year old admins who have nothing better to do than ban anyone hwo kills them, and those stupid fy_ maps ... wtf is up with those ? i mean cmon fy_iceworld ? plz , the game is just for llamas and noobies now . no skill to it.
NS however takes skill ;p u have to know what your doing. But even better than that is it is extremely fun, something new, unique to the hl community , and a blast t play. Damn, this mod is so good u should sell it ;p
Of course he turned to sniping on TFC but at least he was honestly good at that even if he was completely useless.
Oh and comparing real life to CS isnt the best way to justify its little... eccentricities. So what if in real life you have to wait for hours compared to a minute or two, we arent playing real life, real life isnt fun, probably even less fun if your getting shot at. CS is a game and is supposed to be fun, if CS could be made the best game in the world by giving people custard pie weapons and making one team all look like penguins then so be it. Have you ever played an F1 game? They are fairly realistic (depending, of course, on the one you chose) and will always be more realistic than combat games... they are incredibly boring to all but the most hardcore F1 followers.
If realism is best then if you want I could make you a really realistic 'watch paint drying on wall' game. I could even enclose a small tin of paint which you could sniff as you play to make it even more realistic! Hey, maybe getting high offthe fumes will make it more fun <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
We dont enjoy it, we dont play it, it typifies everything we hate most about online games. You may love it but that doesnt mean that we arent right, I mean, some people play deer hunter <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->. Each to their own I guess, if it werent for people like you S&M just wouldnt exist <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
The only real complaint I have about it is the awful AWP. It should never have been put in the game, although it's too late to take it out now.
It isn't right for you to fear going up against someone in direct combat just because they have an AWP.
And anyhow, CS obviously can't be THAT bad of tens of thousands of people are playing it at any given instant of any given day.
Hacking isint about winning either. Its about **obscenity** ppl off. You guys know who myg0t is right? They dont call themselves a hacking clan they call themselves a rage clan. People can **obscenity** off everybody even more here then in CS. Recycling buildings, kiling the hive, and building stuff on ppl.
CS takes alot of teamwork in scrims/pugs/matches one person makes a noise can jeprodise an entire round. I think NS is more strategy while CS is more tactics IMHO. as for needing no skill then why dont u go to CPL? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
As far as ns goes, it seems as though the a$$ factor is a lot more randomly distributed (since it's newer). And although most players are mature enough, there are some people who are so annoying I just want to reach through their monitors and punch them in the face.
Conclusion: NS is good, CS is for the most part good, the human race sucks monkey balls...
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That sums up my feelings about CS. I only play 2 mods for HL. DoD and NS.
CS -is- a great mod, the problem is that there's like 5 bizillion freaking people playing it, and when you have that many people playing, you're going to get stupid little kiddies and cheaters and Koreans (Oh man I'm going to get flamed for that one). CS has like what...14,000 servers?
If you want to enjoy CS, go find a GOOD clan server. I play on a clan server ran by [RAH] (Real American Heroes), private servers with people I know from a certain website, and that's IT. Most generic pub servers lick balls since there's a lack of Admins. A good admin can spot a cheater very quickly, so if you're on a good server that usually has an admin around, cheaters have very short lifespans.
CS requires lots of skill if you're playing with good people. If you don't think it takes skill, go play on a clan server and try to AWP people (because you know, the AWP is <i>SO</i> easy to use), after you get raped, come back here and feed me your lies about CS requiring "no skill".
Again, CS and NS are totally different playing experiences. If you want shoot-em-up blood-n-guts action with a team element and a nice selection of guns and short rounds, go for CS.
If you like suspense, amazing graphics (even compared to more modern games), awesome atmosphere and sounds, 2+ hour rounds, and simple non-light-speed-fragfest action, go play NS.
There'll be cheaters in NS, but they'll find out very quickly they don't help.
Don't listen to anyone from Myg0t. They're retards, and obviously don't understand how traditional cheats will be nearly useless in gaining the upper hand unless a whole TEAM is cheating (and even then, they won't help much).
I mean, what's an aimbot and wallhack going to do for an alien or marine? A marine can see aliens anyway with Scanner Sweeps, and being able to see EXACTLY where that Onos or fade is isn't going to matter, because even if you have an aimbot making sure you don't miss a shot, the fade/onos will just walk through your puny hail of bullets and gut you if you have no backup. Aliens can practically see through walls anyway with hivesight, and aimbots aren't going to help you if you run into a room of turrets and very angry heavy armor marines.
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I aint played it in ages though, there dont seem to be many ppl that played since early betas that still play.