Big Changes At Nsarmslab!

RyanNSARyanNSA Join Date: 2004-09-03 Member: 31223Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
edited September 2004 in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Back to the Basics...</div> Hey Natural-Selection community! This purpose of this post is to inform you of some major changes at NSArmslab. NSA (NSArmslab) as you may know is approaching its one year anniversary. While it has been a very interesting year, NSA feels that it could have been far better. Our mission has been threefold: to provide custom content to the Natural-Selection; to help the community as a whole to grow; to provide a fun gaming experience at our servers. While we feel we have done decently well at the first goal and had a good start on the second and third, the path to completing those goals as we wished had became foggy and convoluted. Frankly, we feel we have failed. That is why we are here today; to explain ourselves and what we are doing to fix our issues. We have spent a lot of time thinking and reviewing our attitudes and actions, and have clearly seen our faults and the way to fix them. This is what we call the “Back to the Basics” plan. The following is a quick list of MAJOR changes within NSArmslab with short explanations. For further specifics and information please visit www.nsarmslab.com/forums

1) The Rules - The rules on our forums and servers have been radically adjusted. We realized that they were unjust and unfair. The punishments were too extreme and abusive. You can find our new set of rules at <a href='http://www.nsarmslab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1991' target='_blank'>http://www.nsarmslab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1991</a>

2) Admin Attitude - The attitude and actions of our admins and how they treat players has been totally reversed. Our previous attitude was far too negative and disrespectful. Our admins will now strive to treat everyone fairly and with respect, regardless of the people involved, what clan they are in, or how good a player they are.

3) Amnesty - All previously banned players are now unbanned. The ban list has been wiped. We realized many people were banned unfairly and never given a proper chance to prove their innocence. We have forgotten any old grudges against clans and players. As far as we are concerned now, these people never did anything wrong.

4) “Clan Bans” - No longer will an entire clan or organization be held responsible for the actions of its members on our servers. We now realize that everyone acts on their own person, and only they are responsible for what they have done.

5) Server Changes – We have found and corrected many problems with the software of our game servers. We have also within the last few days purchased a far better server. There should be no more lag, “hangs,” or long spikes. Because of the new recently upgraded box that our servers are running on, we are increasing the slots of the Classic server from 21 to 24, and the Combat from 19 to 32. The combat server has been TOTALLY redone and now plays completely differently then it used to (it closely resembles official combat).

6) Veteran Benefits – NSA feels that it has unfairly and disrespectfully treated many top NS competitive clans. NSA has only recently realized how much the NS competitive community has contributed to the welfare of the entire Natural-Selection community as a whole (such as nslearn). So as an effort to reward those who help NS grow (our objective as well), we are providing the following “veteran benefits” that apply to active, large competitive clans:
- Free reserved slot on our servers to a “clan liaison” to NSA.
- Five free reserved slots monthly to the top competitive players on our server.
- “Monthly Spotlight” for one NS competitive clan who will receive a “spotlight” position on our website for all visitors to see that acknowledges the achievements of this clan.
- Sponsored TeamSpeak servers to top NS competitive clans.
- Sponsored professional web hosting to up to 10 competitive clans (one gigabyte of space and ten gigabytes of bandwidth).
- Server admins are being sought. The main requirement is that you fully understand Natural-Selection and play extremely frequently. If you are a member of a competitive veteran clan and are of good character, contact us along with your clan leader. If you can spend enough time on our servers, you may very likely get server admin.

Hopefully, we can work together to mend the divide that has grown between much of the NS community and ourselves. Also, we hope that this plan will help us fulfill our mission to help the NS community far better in the time to come. If you have any questions or your clan would like to apply for some of these benefits, contact Ryan at ryan@nsarmslab.com or Gary at gary@nsarmslab.com

Thank you for your time,

NSArmslab.com Staff and Administrators

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Server IP: NSArmslab.com Combat Facility 67.19.204.36:27015
Server IP: NSArmslab.com Classic NS 3.04ba 67.19.204.37:27015
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  • camO_ocamO_o Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Members
    wow, what can i say.

    we forgive you forever i guess.
  • WarningForeverWarningForever Join Date: 2004-05-06 Member: 28503Members
    No f4ing out of the game? I suppose you want to avoid wasting server slots, but if my team is being spawn camped, I generally want the game to end faster.
  • RyanNSARyanNSA Join Date: 2004-09-03 Member: 31223Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Yeah, if spawn camping gets to be a problem, that rule will probably change.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Theki11er+Sep 2 2004, 09:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Theki11er @ Sep 2 2004, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No f4ing out of the game? I suppose you want to avoid wasting server slots, but if my team is being spawn camped, I generally want the game to end faster. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If a team is being spawncamped and you F4, its you being stupid. If they are able to do it over 2 minutes, the server admins should be in there and kicking appropriately. Hopefully this server is different, though I'm not even gonna stick around to see(my fav server already houses all of my needs).
  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ryan-NSA+Sep 3 2004, 12:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryan-NSA @ Sep 3 2004, 12:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 4) “Clan Bans” - No longer will an entire clan or organization be held responsible for the actions of its members on our servers. We now realize that everyone acts on their own person, and only they are responsible for what they have done. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Woot! My clan is unbanned!

    Party!!!!
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    NSA = teh secs. Always has, always will in my book.
  • RyanNSARyanNSA Join Date: 2004-09-03 Member: 31223Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    By the way, when I mean "veteran" I don't mean just the yellow icon people. That applys to ANY clan who has more then 5 members and plays NS competitively in a league. Sorry for the confusion <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ShootMeShootMe Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28016Members
    Thank you for the change of heart <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    ps. Please unban me from the forums <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    <!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ryan-NSA+Sep 2 2004, 11:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryan-NSA @ Sep 2 2004, 11:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> By the way, when I mean "veteran" I don't mean just the yellow icon people. That applys to ANY clan who has more then 5 members and plays NS competitively in a league. Sorry for the confusion <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Nice. Any tiny effort that gives people an incentive for putting a clan together and joining a league helps with the stagnating competitive scene. Thanks.
  • RyanNSARyanNSA Join Date: 2004-09-03 Member: 31223Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-ShootMe+Sep 3 2004, 12:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ShootMe @ Sep 3 2004, 12:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thank you for the change of heart <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    ps. Please unban me from the forums <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Done Shoot_Me <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    For those who's accounts are still "Banned" on the NSA forums, just e-mail me and I'll take care of it immediately.
  • gazOzzgazOzz Work&#39;s a ... Join Date: 2003-12-25 Member: 24747Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    Sig ftw Ryan... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Goodluck on your efforts...
  • RyanNSARyanNSA Join Date: 2004-09-03 Member: 31223Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-gazOzz+Sep 3 2004, 12:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gazOzz @ Sep 3 2004, 12:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sig ftw Ryan... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Goodluck on your efforts... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hah! Thanks, it makes me feel "flame-proof."

    After all, who could flame someone with a sig that cute <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ryan-NSA+Sep 3 2004, 01:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryan-NSA @ Sep 3 2004, 01:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-gazOzz+Sep 3 2004, 12:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (gazOzz @ Sep 3 2004, 12:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sig ftw Ryan... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Goodluck on your efforts... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hah! Thanks, it makes me feel "flame-proof."

    After all, who could flame someone with a sig that cute <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG u fu- ohhh look at the bunny.
  • Gerald_R_FordGerald_R_Ford Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22544Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ryan-NSA+Sep 2 2004, 11:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryan-NSA @ Sep 2 2004, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->



    2) Admin Attitude - The attitude and actions of our admins and how they treat players has been totally reversed. Our previous attitude was far too negative and disrespectful. Our admins will now strive to treat everyone fairly and with respect, regardless of the people involved, what clan they are in, or how good a player they are.

    3) Amnesty - All previously banned players are now unbanned. The ban list has been wiped. We realized many people were banned unfairly and never given a proper chance to prove their innocence. We have forgotten any old grudges against clans and players. As far as we are concerned now, these people never did anything wrong.


    6) Veteran Benefits – NSA feels that it has unfairly and disrespectfully treated many top NS competitive clans. NSA has only recently realized how much the NS competitive community has contributed to the welfare of the entire Natural-Selection community as a whole (such as nslearn). So as an effort to reward those who help NS grow (our objective as well), we are providing the following “veteran benefits” that apply to active, large competitive clans:
    - Free reserved slot on our servers to a “clan liaison” to NSA.
    - Five free reserved slots monthly to the top competitive players on our server.
    - “Monthly Spotlight” for one NS competitive clan who will receive a “spotlight” position on our website for all visitors to see that acknowledges the achievements of this clan.
    - Sponsored TeamSpeak servers to top NS competitive clans.
    - Sponsored professional web hosting to up to 10 competitive clans (one gigabyte of space and ten gigabytes of bandwidth).
    - Server admins are being sought. The main requirement is that you fully understand Natural-Selection and play extremely frequently. If you are a member of a competitive veteran clan and are of good character, contact us along with your clan leader. If you can spend enough time on our servers, you may very likely get server admin.



    Thank you for your time,

    NSArmslab.com Staff and Administrators <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    2) THANK GOD that you have changed your admin's attitude. I was banned for requesting medpacks and ammo, and would refuse to unban me because he thought that I was annoying for requesting them so oftern (going 21-2 might require a few meds and ammo).

    3) I'll be happy to play on your server again.

    4) The benefits are crazy, I just think it's great enough that you've not kicking or banning people JUST because they are veterans (unlike Halls of Armaggedon who kicks EVERY veteran who joins). I'm very happy that you even provide benefits to veterans who play often and can contribute to the server as an admin.


    Finally a server that actually <i>wants</i> veterans to play at and contribute.
  • RyanNSARyanNSA Join Date: 2004-09-03 Member: 31223Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Thanks, that's the objective <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • YumosisYumosis Join Date: 2003-01-12 Member: 12222Banned
    edited September 2004
    Wow, number 6 is rather impressive.

    I don't think I've ever seen anything like it infact, a place thats gone from hating competitive play to supporting it...
  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    edited September 2004
    Hello [NSA]Ryan.

    I heard the news about your server being made to be a far more friendly environment, and immediately decided to give it a try. In order to follow the rules, I disabled F4 and decided to play my very best.

    I saved up and built the second hive. While the marines set up their siege base on the side of Computer Core, the fade got telefragged on the phase gate and the marines walked all over the almost-built second hive before MCs could go up. Barely hanging on to enough RFK to go lerk, I did, since the marine hadn't bothered getting heavy armor at any point. Maybe we could have taken back CC, but we didnt, they moved on the last hive, pushing over skulks and OCs as most games like this go. For some reason, because I was the last one alive and either didn't suicide or went for a vent, a member of my team began continually verbally harrassing me as a waste of res and a **** and so on and so forth, after which I was kicked.

    If you would like, we can talk about this friendlier, better server. May we?

    I'm just asking because I was sort of kicked and I'm wondering if I shouldn't just play something else instead. Source has problems, but at least I don't have to deal with this sort of grief.

    Plz respond before next bowl~10 minutes.
  • al_gorgeal_gorge Join Date: 2004-01-20 Member: 25515Members, Constellation
    some of the big problems with vets is that they dont play as a team on the server, they go off and rambo and then expect the coms to shower them with meds and ammo and it aint happening, when I com I tell people if you go out alon you die alone, unless they ninja for a phase gate near a hive or something, but NOONE needs meds n crap in the begining of the game.

    i try to encourage no tfs, and no upgrades to win a game, just simple teamwork but everyone has there own way of playing com.

    if you see me com dont ask for anything just get me res so i can rush teh upgr4d3s.

    GG to all.

    we also will be sponsoring the Flaytona thats coming up for readyroom .org


    see you all on the new servers <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TheAdjTheAdj He demanded a cool forum title of some type. Join Date: 2004-05-03 Member: 28436Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    That's your style of playing, and that doesn't mean it's the only way to play. Supporting a marine that's mowing down skulks left and right with an occasional med and some ammo keeps the aliens busy and the other marines accomplishing something else. Use your players that do this effectively, otherwise you're simply not utilizing a resource that's at your disposal as commander. A 75 hp marine is simply a liability and not an asset, give that marine a medpack and suddenly they become an asset again.

    Edit: Wonderful that the NSA servers are becoming more supportive of veterans and clans in general. If other communities did this, the NS community would definitely become better overall. I hope that it's not just all good words and no real change in policy, I'll go see for myself later.
  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-al gorge+Sep 3 2004, 03:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (al gorge @ Sep 3 2004, 03:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> some of the big problems with vets is that they dont play as a team on the server, they go off and rambo and then expect the coms to shower them with meds and ammo and it aint happening, when I com I tell people if you go out alon you die alone, unless they ninja for a phase gate near a hive or something, but NOONE needs meds n crap in the begining of the game.

    i try to encourage no tfs, and no upgrades to win a game, just simple teamwork but everyone has there own way of playing com.

    if you see me com dont ask for anything just get me res so i can rush teh upgr4d3s.

    GG to all.

    we also will be sponsoring the Flaytona thats coming up for readyroom .org


    see you all on the new servers <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And that's why I own you hardcore every game <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • camO_ocamO_o Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Alkiller+Sep 3 2004, 03:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Alkiller @ Sep 3 2004, 03:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    And that's why I own you hardcore every game <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    thanks for helping prove his point.

    ive always had a bit of a grudge against nsa ever since i was banned for "bhop scripts." >_>, but im willing to look past that if you're willing to look past the whole veterans suck thing.
  • RyanNSARyanNSA Join Date: 2004-09-03 Member: 31223Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    Yeah, scripting is not a problem any more on NSA. As long as it's not CHEATING (bhop is not) it's not a problem. And we are done with the "vets suck" mentality. We welcome everyone <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ikirikir Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18265Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
    Your website looks good :-)
  • pSyk0mAnpSyk0mAn Nerdish by Nature Germany Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer
    @Swift_idiot: Maybe Ryan hasn't told the big changes to his admins, yet...

    Whatever, good to see someone saw his mistakes, thought bout them and give it a new try.
  • CaMCaM Join Date: 2004-07-05 Member: 29735Members
    Nice work NSA staff, i assure you that you havnt lost any respect from the community, the way you guys have progressed through NS history in a professional manner has been exellent so dont be too harsh on yourselves. Your website is looking great by the way & i enjoy playing on your servers even with Aussie ping <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> im sure your team have set realistic goals which will definitely be met in time.

    -peace <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • N1RampageN1Rampage Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24420Members
    edited September 2004
    NSA are still a bunch of <span style='color:orange'>why did you even post this if you know flaming isn't allowed?</span>
  • RyanNSARyanNSA Join Date: 2004-09-03 Member: 31223Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Thanks for all the positive comments! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    We really are trying hard to make the NS community grow. I've had a few people take me up already on some of the benefits, so for those that don't believe them, they are real and they are waiting.

    Just have your clan leader get in touch with me and I'll hook you up <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    Also it'd be real nice if the files on your site had full and detailed readmes.

    I've tried several times to get a proper readme in the predatorless "AvP pack", and at last check it only mentioned my stuff. Funny, I recall sending off a rather detailed readme covering about 80 percent of the pack's content, but the person I was in correspondance with didn't reply.


    And, as I recall, wasn't there a problem with the non-removal of files which the creators had asked you to remove?


    Has this sort of thing been fixed perchance?
  • NSASil3ntdeathNSASil3ntdeath Join Date: 2004-01-16 Member: 25365Members
    I would like to add WELCOME BACK ALL and begood this time around even tho we are now less strict and some of the admins have to be less stupid dont bug annoy back talk any 1 and eery thing will be ok and like i said WELCOME BACK
  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    It's hard to do an about-face, but good for you. People think you're being wishy-washy, but it often means you're just continuing to have an open mind and willing to try new approaches.

    I'll try to swing by there some time this weekend after my part of the beta 5 madness ends.
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