Let's Debate This Alien Thing

DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">Once and For All</div> OK, so here are my views on "aliens" or beings from another planet etc. etc.

My personal views are as such: Does the U.S. Send out signals into space? I really don't know, it is a genuine question, I suppose SETI might but honestly now, if we DON'T then how do we expect any other life-form(s) to send out signals? If we DO then, good job but think about it, the odds of a life-form/force/thing speaking our same language, understanding our frequencies etc. is very limited, right?

I personally believe "life" exists outside our home planet but much like what is shown in the movie "Men in Black" with the world being inside a galazy and a galaxy inside space and space inside a marble with these other beings playing games with them really doesn't seem all that far-fetched to me. Who knows how big the universe is, what's beyond the universe? Does it end? If not then where does it begin? Or does it have neither or simply a portion of "space" devoid of any matter at all, just space, weightless, soundless, colorless, odoreless space with nothing to occupy it?

These questions plague me. State your views please,

~ DarkATi

Comments

  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited September 2004
    If you count radio and television waves, then yes, human beings have been sending signals into space for many years now. :P

    AFAIK, SETI only listens for stuff, they don't actually send anything out.

    As far as whether anything is out there or not... Who knows?
  • docchimpydocchimpy Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18266Members
    edited September 2004
    I think I read somewhere that some phycisists believe that the outside of the universe is "dark matter". What is dark matter? I believe it is basically just matter and antimatter coming into existence and then being annihilated. How did the universe begin? A infinetly smaller amount of antimatter than mater was produced, most likely through a fluke. This small amount became exponentially larger (See "Big Bang"). Voila- Universe.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Maybe the universe is one of those things that just happens every once in a while. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The science part of me believes that alien life forms exist, although not as we might picture them, with the big heads, green skin, etc. If we do find alien life, it will most likely be in the form of single celled organisms. Are there larger beings out there? Possibly, but we haven't found even a bacterium from space yet, so I'm not keeping myhopes up.

    Personally though, I'm one of those "God" nuts. Crazy bastards, going around having faith in something and whatnot.
  • ZaphodZaphod Join Date: 2003-12-30 Member: 24882Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-docchimpy+Sep 3 2004, 05:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (docchimpy @ Sep 3 2004, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think I read somewhere that some phycisists believe that the outside of the universe is "dak matter". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They're not talking about 'outside' the universe, they're talking about in the universe itself. 'Dark matter' is believed to be everywhere, most importantly, the 'vacuum' of space.
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    They don't need to be able to speak our language, decipher our signals, et cetera. They'd know an artificial signal when they see it. The problem is, it would be so faint, they'd need some serious equipment to see it.
  • BaconTheoryBaconTheory Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20615Members
    edited September 2004
    I'm pretty sure that there are other life forms out there. I mean, the universe is bigger then we can comprehend and it would seem ridiculous that there are NO other life forms in the unverse and that we are completeley and utterly alone.

    Also, why is it that most people automatically assume that these beings would exist in 3-Dimensional space? What if these aliens were creatures of time, or, they existed in 2D? They could be microscopic, they could be large. They could speak our language, they could speak in noises. There are so many possibilities for what these beings are. There are also a lot of questions that go along with them. What type of planet do they live on? Are there different sexes of these aliens? What do they look like?

    <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->They don't need to be able to speak our language, decipher our signals, et cetera. They'd know an artificial signal when they see it. The problem is, it would be so faint, they'd need some serious equipment to see it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well we would like to think that these aliens are WAY more technologically advanced than us. It would seem logical that they would have equipment that would be able to pick up faint signals.
  • AmplifierAmplifier Join Date: 2004-02-19 Member: 26708Members, Constellation
    Aliens MUST exist, it's just that I mean, they may be so advanced, and their could be so many planets like our own that it just comes down to the aliens saying "Why should we go their?"
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    And as the resident "I AM CHRISTIAN LEADER GUY"...or something, whatever, and you are Christian too(or most religions really), here's a question to ask yourself:

    Why would God waste his time making the other planets?

    Also along these lines, this suggests that there is more than one race of humans- the others must look just like us, because if their intelligent enough to get here, God must have loved them so much to put them into his image.

    Just my opinion.
  • laggerlagger Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1805Members
    I believe NASA sent out a probe with our DNA and some math stuff in hopes to find aliens or something along those lines. Seriously though its not profitable to go looking for aliens atm, therefore its not going to happen atm.
  • camO_ocamO_o Join Date: 2004-04-19 Member: 28028Members
    just so it's clear, the entire SETI signal business was a big fark-up, the media blew it completely out of proportion (with help from the internet). also, why would an alien race have to be more technologically advanced then us? you never know...

    my opinion is that there has to be another form of sentient ... being, somewhere out there. i don't want to use the word life, as our definition of life is limited only to what we've seen on earth.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    You can still be religious and believe that aliens exist. A God would be a god to all, not just lowly humans.
  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    Just recently planets belived to be solid (like Earth) have been found outside our solar system. Untill now we have only found gasseous planets (like Jupiter). This is a first step in finding life other place.

    *Barring any kind of wierd race that can live withen a gas planet, which doesnt seem possible becuase of thier low density, but who knows*
  • LegionnairedLegionnaired Join Date: 2002-04-30 Member: 552Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Sep 3 2004, 07:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Sep 3 2004, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can still be religious and believe that aliens exist. A God would be a god to all, not just lowly humans. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As a matter of fact, C.S. Lewis wrote a rather interesting Sci-fi trilogy called "Out of the silent planet," where mankind met a whole slew of other races, none of which were fallen from God as man is.

    It's certainly not scripture, but it makes an interesting point. The bible is the story of Man and Man's relationship to God, it's possible that there are other planets with other beings.

    Not that I think it's very likely.
  • voogruvoogru Naturally Modified (ex. NS programmer) Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1827Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    The universe is eternal, there is no end and no beginning. And of course there is other life out there, we're just seperated enough to prevent any possible interaction with something else. (We would end up fighting). I mean think about it, we cant even get along with people of our own species.
  • R_A_CR_A_C Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16273Members
    I agree with that voogru. There probably is other life, just so far away that we'll never contact them. And yes, we'd prolly end up fighting.
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Sep 3 2004, 08:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Sep 3 2004, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Sep 3 2004, 07:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Sep 3 2004, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You can still be religious and believe that aliens exist. A God would be a god to all, not just lowly humans. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As a matter of fact, C.S. Lewis wrote a rather interesting Sci-fi trilogy called "Out of the silent planet," where mankind met a whole slew of other races, none of which were fallen from God as man is.

    It's certainly not scripture, but it makes an interesting point. The bible is the story of Man and Man's relationship to God, it's possible that there are other planets with other beings.

    Not that I think it's very likely. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, I agree, I'm a believer in Jesus and God and I believe in the possability of Aliens. It is entirely possible that their is another race that HASN'T fallen from God out there. But in that case, would God allow us to find them and "contaminate" them with our sinful nature? Probably not but you never know. :\

    *so much for keeping religion out of this* LMAO

    ~ DarkATi
  • V_MANV_MAN V-MAN Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6217Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Sep 4 2004, 12:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Sep 4 2004, 12:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And as the resident "I AM CHRISTIAN LEADER GUY"...or something, whatever, and you are Christian too(or most religions really), here's a question to ask yourself:

    Why would God waste his time making the other planets?

    Also along these lines, this suggests that there is more than one race of humans- the others must look just like us, because if their intelligent enough to get here, God must have loved them so much to put them into his image.

    Just my opinion. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why wouldn't God make other planets? it's not like he would have anything else to do with his time now is it?

    An who's to say that any of his other possable creations out there would looks like us? It does say that man was made in Gods image but being the supreme being who's to say that he wouldn't have had a different image with which to mould his other possable creations on.
  • V_MANV_MAN V-MAN Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6217Members, Constellation
    I read somewhere that there are more stars in our galaxy than there are grains on sand on all the beaches an all the deserts on the Earth. Now that's a hell of a lot of stars.....So I would say that the odds of just one of those stars having a planet orbiting it with some form of intelligent life living there aside from our own planet are pretty good if you ask me.
  • JimBowenJimBowen Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16873Members, Constellation
    edited September 2004
    Dark matter..... in simple terms, physicists calculated the mass of the universe, and found out it was way too light. To be exact, it was half as light as it should be. So along comes the theory of antimatter to balance it out, and we have a nice big fatteh universe. The thing that get me tho, is that anti matter has a opposite charge to matter, which is neutral?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> but i guess its all relative and matter does have a charge.

    And I can once and for all say that god doesnt exsist, well at least the devil. When I was 12 I tried selling my soul for a SNES...... nothing happened.
  • V_MANV_MAN V-MAN Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6217Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-JimBowen+Sep 6 2004, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JimBowen @ Sep 6 2004, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dark matter..... in simple terms, physicists calculated the mass of the universe, and found out it was way too light. To be exact, it was half as light as it should be. So along comes the theory of antimatter to balance it out, and we have a nice big fatteh universe. The thing that get me tho, is that anti matter has a opposite charge to matter, which is neutral?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> but i guess its all relative and matter does have a charge.

    And I can once and for all say that god doesnt exsist, well at least the devil. When I was 12 I tried selling my soul for a SNES...... nothing happened. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's cos Satan was a SEGA fanboy in them days you prolly just disgusted him asking for a SNES tbh <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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