Alien F4 Trick
Rabid_Llama
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4340Members
Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4340Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Exploit or valid tactic?</div> I was playing a game just now as aliens, and we were hurting for resources (I TOLD them four gorges on an eight man team was silly...). Anyway, one of them tells all non-gorges that had resources to hit f4 to go back to the readyroom in order to give their resources to the builders.
This should work -- Flayra has said that any alien who drops has his resources put into a pool
to be redistributed next distribution period (i.e. a few seconds later).
The question is if it's fair or not. On one hand, there is a large influx of resources into the pool, and most of it goes to the gorges. On the other hand, when the players re-join the team, they start back with 0, and continue to take their share of the resources (where a full-resource alien would have taken none at all).
So, what do you think? Exploit or tactic?
(I'm not totally sure myself)
-Rabid
This should work -- Flayra has said that any alien who drops has his resources put into a pool
to be redistributed next distribution period (i.e. a few seconds later).
The question is if it's fair or not. On one hand, there is a large influx of resources into the pool, and most of it goes to the gorges. On the other hand, when the players re-join the team, they start back with 0, and continue to take their share of the resources (where a full-resource alien would have taken none at all).
So, what do you think? Exploit or tactic?
(I'm not totally sure myself)
-Rabid
Comments
I think if you leave a team you shouldn't be allowed back on it again for at least 5 minutes. So if you do this, your gorges will a) have lots of resources and b) be sitting ducks with no defense aliens with them
At the moment, it's an exploit... it requires you to leave the game to do it, which I don't think aliens can do IRL <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I WOULD like to see a way of doing this (maybe some sort of "consumption by the hive" function?) added in, though, since it does play a part in game strategies <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I think if you leave a team you shouldn't be allowed back on it again for at least 5 minutes. So if you do this, your gorges will a) have lots of resources and b) be sitting ducks with no defense aliens with them<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not so sure, though. I mean, when you join a team, you start with 0 resources. It's not like you start with 33, then hit f4, then start with 33, then hit f4 -- you have 33, hit f4, then start back at 0, and have to get resources the old-fashioned way (meaning less resource income for the gorges). Also, your team's offense is gone for a good few seconds.
But, I have to agree with the "if they had wanted it they would have coded it" comment. Seems like it'd be a pretty easy thing to add. Not sure how it'd effect balance, if at all.
you can give res?
i didn't know that!!
can u determine how much or who to? if not you should be able to, help that gorge get enough res for a hive for example!
It has been discussed before.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->('Use' the hive to give resources out.)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> lol <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I didn't know that.
Flayra wrote<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sounds like an exploit to me, I'll fix it in the next patch.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> vs Merkaba wrote<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's not really an exploit surely<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anywho, Fleyra has made his decision, looks like being able to remotely do this via observation mode is going to be removed next patch.
Edit: Just noticed what Flayra said on the other thread <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I thought I already fixed this problem, but I guess not. It'll be fixed in the next server patch.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
hmm, *ka-pwn*
you can give res?
i didn't know that!!
can u determine how much or who to? if not you should be able to, help that gorge get enough res for a hive for example!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't know either <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
It must work (ie, it must get rid of your parasite). After all, you're essentially leaving the server and relogging back in again. If you left the server though, you take your armour/ammo with you.. and then there's the respawn delay.. and i thought there was a cost for you to respawn too?
Sounds impracticle to me.. but devious.
New Marine = Free of any Parasite
it's common to have RPs at the wrong aliens who don't need them while a Gorge wanting to build a hive desperately needs them
it would give players the option to suffer a personal disadvantage for the greater good of the team
Sure its an exploit and slightly lame, but how are you goign to fix it? Making someone who leaves the team's resources vanish is much lamer. Even if you only do it to people who goto the ready room, what about valid team swaps?
Parasite
By ejecting tiny darts from its nasal cavities, the Skulk can "tag" an enemy. The darts release a stain of bacteria, that connects to the bacterium. The target is now permanently visible to Hive Sight – every alien always knows where it is. Not a pleasant sensation, and not good for survival odds. The darts do tiny damage when they strike – and a warning message will appear on the marine's HUD.
On the F4 trick, it is lame, and stupid. Just have your team cap out, then the gorges get everythign anyhow.
No, you shouldn't be able to donate resources to another player. With smart gorges, running at a ratio of 1 gorge for every 3 combOn the parasite issue, permanent does not mean through at alien, you can have all three hives up in under 5 minutes or so. It would be way too easy to have 3 hives up in the time it takes the aliens to move from one hive to the next.
Recap:
Parasite does not last through death.
F4 Tactics are lame and stupid
You shouldn't be able to donate resources.