Its compleatly irrelevent, there are tonnes of great 'no F4, no recycle' servers out there, If you don't like it when people surrender keep looking around until you find one, or better yet, ask for a posted list of them in off topic. There is no hard coded obligation for your average pubber to remain in the game until all thier stuctures are legitimately destroyed, stop acting like other people only play the game for your amusement!
Like everyone is saying, it's a matter of taste. Personally, I could care less about a win or a loss, as long as I can keep playing the game. I'll enjoy every last second of it, as long as the other team isn't sitting there and camping the IP/spawnpoints. You can try and tell me I don't know what I enjoy, but you'd be getting nowhere. I've played the game just as long as most folks, and I have a pretty good idea of what I enjoy, in most/all of the situations NS can provide. It's a shame that you don't agree with me, but your best bet is to simply find a server (Of which there are many) where f4ing and all of that is completely acceptable.
As a hint, I wouldn't recommend browsing and reading threads if you don't want people's opinions shoved in your face, because that's what generally happens. It's also a bad idea to assume that your way happens to be the best way, and anyone who doesn't agree is a lesser being of sorts. I'm going to consider your viewpoint, but that certainly doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Please realise that everyone who disagrees with you or your beliefs isn't ignoring your points, but simply <b>not agreeing with them</b>, and if you have any hopes of participating in any form of communication whatsoever often, you'll have to accept that. It's not a "Well, I'm right, and if you can't see that, you simply aren't looking at it correctly" type of thing. You know, imho.
If youre not playing to win and youre not having fun why are you even bothering to play *AT ALL*.
If youre playing to win and refuse to acknowledge that strategy games are "all about mistakes" then what the hell are you doing trying to win in the first place, might aswell play 5 year olds at tic-tac-toe.
In this game you MAKE YOUR OWN FUN, this can certainly happen at endgame, if you refuse to do it you are a muppet.
In this game you EXPLOIT EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO WIN, if you dont then you are a scrub.
So if neither apply to you, ask yourself why the hell youre playing this game in the first place <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> The usual solutions you get from this response will mean you playing tictactoe with 5yr olds will make you happy, you gosu teamplayer you.
As for leaving near the end of a game, its simply demoralising for your opponents in that they finally (this may be a rare thing) achieve victory only for the game to end in a confusing (and unfun) manner. OMGBBQ
<!--QuoteBegin-Ness-Earthbound+Sep 6 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Sep 6 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Like everyone is saying, it's a matter of taste. Personally, I could care less about a win or a loss, as long as I can keep playing the game. I'll enjoy every last second of it, as long as the other team isn't sitting there and camping the IP/spawnpoints. You can try and tell me I don't know what I enjoy, but you'd be getting nowhere. I've played the game just as long as most folks, and I have a pretty good idea of what I enjoy, in most/all of the situations NS can provide. It's a shame that you don't agree with me, but your best bet is to simply find a server (Of which there are many) where f4ing and all of that is completely acceptable. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> F4ing doesn't automatically mean an end to all gameplay. The beginning of a next round establishes a fresh new start and even grounding. While I'm not trying to dissuade you, I'd like a little more clarification on why you'd rather play a game which has been decided than a game where you can influence the outcome.
It's fine if there isn't an obvious stack and if the other team is doing a concious effort to end the game. I'd just quit if people turret or oc farm at the end of the game just to prolong it. It's not fun, you just want to start a new round, and it takes forever to end.
<!--QuoteBegin-ZiGGY^+Sep 6 2004, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZiGGY^ @ Sep 6 2004, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> cba to read all this so my thought basically:
If youre not playing to win and youre not having fun why are you even bothering to play *AT ALL*. (etc.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, if you read the thread, you might not wonder anymore.
In the absence of a rolleyes smiley, I guess this one will have to do. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Al_Kaholic+Sep 6 2004, 12:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Al_Kaholic @ Sep 6 2004, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Sep 6 2004, 01:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Sep 6 2004, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Most of you dont realize this, but F4'ing IS essentially a vote for surrendering. When enough guys decide the game is not worth continuing and F4's, "they lose AND the game ends."
On the other hand, if only a few guys F4's, then the vote fails, and the game continues on. Generally, F4 guys come back in after a few minutes of jumping around in the RR. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, because two or three people F4ing is quite fair to the rest of the team actually trying to conduct an enjoyable game. What a terrific voting system. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, these guys feel that the game has ended already. They would be of no use to the rest of the team anyway (ie, if they stay, they'll probably just fork around, jumping into pits, knife rushes, etc).
If 3 guys F4 at roughly the same, chances are, the enjoyable bits are already over. Let it go, do better next time.
<!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Sep 6 2004, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Sep 6 2004, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Al_Kaholic+Sep 6 2004, 12:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Al_Kaholic @ Sep 6 2004, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Umbraed Monkey+Sep 6 2004, 01:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Sep 6 2004, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Most of you dont realize this, but F4'ing IS essentially a vote for surrendering. When enough guys decide the game is not worth continuing and F4's, "they lose AND the game ends."
On the other hand, if only a few guys F4's, then the vote fails, and the game continues on. Generally, F4 guys come back in after a few minutes of jumping around in the RR. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, because two or three people F4ing is quite fair to the rest of the team actually trying to conduct an enjoyable game. What a terrific voting system. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, these guys feel that the game has ended already. They would be of no use to the rest of the team anyway (ie, if they stay, they'll probably just fork around, jumping into pits, knife rushes, etc). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, see, that's the point. Only in a decided game can you do crap like that, fork around, knife an onos, become a gorge's pet, etc. It's fun because it's different. People who f4 apparently don't take pleasure from that, so they'd probably just go afk until the round ended, and I couldn't care less as long as they don't take up the spawn queue <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Keyser59+Sep 6 2004, 04:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Keyser59 @ Sep 6 2004, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ness-Earthbound+Sep 6 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Sep 6 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Like everyone is saying, it's a matter of taste. Personally, I could care less about a win or a loss, as long as I can keep playing the game. I'll enjoy every last second of it, as long as the other team isn't sitting there and camping the IP/spawnpoints. You can try and tell me I don't know what I enjoy, but you'd be getting nowhere. I've played the game just as long as most folks, and I have a pretty good idea of what I enjoy, in most/all of the situations NS can provide. It's a shame that you don't agree with me, but your best bet is to simply find a server (Of which there are many) where f4ing and all of that is completely acceptable. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> F4ing doesn't automatically mean an end to all gameplay. The beginning of a next round establishes a fresh new start and even grounding. While I'm not trying to dissuade you, I'd like a little more clarification on why you'd rather play a game which has been decided than a game where you can influence the outcome. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> As I've stated, I am not interested in winning or losing. Not being able to influence the outcome means nothing to me, as I get my enjoyment from playing. As long as I can still spawn and not <b>instantly</b> die, I can have fun. It may not be enjoyable to you, perhaps, but I enjoy it. I haven't said I'm against ending matches prematurely (or for it) here, but that I enjoy playing the game as long as it's possible. As I've said, I know what I enjoy, and you'd be hard pressed to convince me I don't enjoy it. I invite people who don't have fun like that to play on servers that do allow f4ing and the like, though. There are plenty of them out there, and it saves all the bitching and whining about "morons who want to keep playing a match they can't win" and the like. I'm sorry if I made that last sentence unclear.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Sep 6 2004, 10:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Sep 6 2004, 10:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-ZiGGY^+Sep 6 2004, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZiGGY^ @ Sep 6 2004, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> cba to read all this so my thought basically:
If youre not playing to win and youre not having fun why are you even bothering to play *AT ALL*. (etc.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, if you read the thread, you might not wonder anymore.
In the absence of a rolleyes smiley, I guess this one will have to do. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> shut up or be useful, this lacks even the contribution of a random input it is merely an attempt to troll me without any backing, every single element of this has been discussed to death a million times and Im damned if Im going to read it again
I've never really had much of a problem with this from either pov. When I'm playing our team usually ends up saying "Start attacking the hive/MS, were going to F4 if you aren't attacking us in 5 minutes." Usually gets the other team into gear, they DO want to have their little endgame fun, and usually they will come finish you off if you start bitching.
The only thing I don't like about the F4 system is the 4 person limit.
In a big game, 4 person limit is a serious disadvantage, but might still be doable. In a small game, 3 people may be enough to basically end it, so why leave it going with the other 3... (I've had a situation where one of the other 3 was AFK even.
Make it a percentage of the total players instead.
Play as if you were really there. Fight to the death. Always have hope. "Recycling" to start a new game means you aren't "living" the experience... you are just playing games to take up time in your life. Sell your computer, buy a paintball gun, and go play competition paintball on artificial fields.. those are your type of people... all in it for the wrong reasons. LoL.
<!--QuoteBegin-ZiGGY^+Sep 6 2004, 06:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZiGGY^ @ Sep 6 2004, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> shut up or be useful, this lacks even the contribution of a random input it is merely an attempt to troll me without any backing, every single element of this has been discussed to death a million times and Im damned if Im going to read it again <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You shouldn't post it again, either. You said nothing that hasn't already been said, and if you'd taken the <i>few minutes needed</i> to read the thread, you'd have realised that.
It wouldn't have been so annoying if you hadn't plain out admitted you ignored everything that was previously typed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Xaajeh+Sep 7 2004, 03:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xaajeh @ Sep 7 2004, 03:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> all in it for the wrong reasons. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm in it for the sw33t spacemarine chicks, like BOZO^ <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Lame and try to have some kind of fun. First devour and I'm out.
But I have to agree about recycling the base, especially since the aliens often take their time toying around. I just think that finding a new server is a lot more convinient.
yeah i agree too, but some times you can have fun in those games... keelem would know saving me as while a onos is digesting me and i pop out freaking out not even knowing what the hell just happend. <3 lol
You know what. You're absolutely right. I'm going to plead to my server(s) to enforce some sort of rule that'll get rid of marine turtling. Something to the effect to "Once the game seems hopelessly lost, you must recycle, get out of the chair, and initiate the kill timer.".
Hell why stop there? I'll start up an I&S thread about how the game should end precisely when the third hive goes up, then we can avoid this whole situation all together.
This is a game issue more than a player issue IMHO. Aliens aren't strong enough in end-game base breaking, namely with the lackluster hive 3 abilities. It is not reasonable to blame the aliens for taking too long to end it while the marines drop turrets and HMGs and make a game of seeing how long they can last(while simultaneously complaining to the aliens about it, mind you). On the other hand, you can't blame the marine team for trying to salvage a little bit of fun out of the game when they lost badly up until that point, and are just trying to make the best of it. Recycling or F4ing is equivalent to admitting that the game was a complete waste of time in my opinion, and nobody really likes to do that. The aliens want the satisfaction of a real win, and the marines want the satisfaction of putting up a good fight. Giving up early doesn't make anybody happy.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ness-Earthbound+Sep 6 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Sep 6 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Like everyone is saying, it's a matter of taste. Personally, I could care less about a win or a loss, as long as I can keep playing the game. I'll enjoy every last second of it, as long as the other team isn't sitting there and camping the IP/spawnpoints. You can try and tell me I don't know what I enjoy, but you'd be getting nowhere. I've played the game just as long as most folks, and I have a pretty good idea of what I enjoy, in most/all of the situations NS can provide. It's a shame that you don't agree with me, but your best bet is to simply find a server (Of which there are many) where f4ing and all of that is completely acceptable.
As a hint, I wouldn't recommend browsing and reading threads if you don't want people's opinions shoved in your face, because that's what generally happens. It's also a bad idea to assume that your way happens to be the best way, and anyone who doesn't agree is a lesser being of sorts. I'm going to consider your viewpoint, but that certainly doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Please realise that everyone who disagrees with you or your beliefs isn't ignoring your points, but simply <b>not agreeing with them</b>, and if you have any hopes of participating in any form of communication whatsoever often, you'll have to accept that. It's not a "Well, I'm right, and if you can't see that, you simply aren't looking at it correctly" type of thing. You know, imho. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I just had to post, because this is probably the most well-thought, mature, and intelligent thing said in this thread.
I hate it when people F4 early. If you don't, fine. Go find a server that will cater to that.
Lame and try to have some kind of fun. First devour and I'm out.
But I have to agree about recycling the base, especially since the aliens often take their time toying around. I just think that finding a new server is a lot more convinient. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Give this man a silver dollar. He states his opinion, accepts that the other side's right to play the way they want to play, and if he doesn't like something, he doesn't whine about it, he just finds another server.
I may not agree with his opinion, but this is the kind of post I like seeing here, and this is a post that could acctually be considered usefull to the servey format of this topic. Thank you Wirhe
And Weggy, I'll just point out that I have essentially been arguing the point that Ness made in that post 2 pages before Ness acctually made that post <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Sep 8 2004, 12:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Sep 8 2004, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And Weggy, I'll just point out that I have essentially been arguing the point that Ness made in that post 2 pages before Ness acctually made that post <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Haha, noted. I think Ness summed it up nicely though, with a big ribbon on top. One of those pretty ribbons, with many different colored stripes, and a little bit of glitter on it. But not too much glitter, because then it makes it look bad.
Also, not too many colors because then it just because this jumbled mass of colors. I mean, who wants brown on their ribbon? I sure as hell don't.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zek+Sep 7 2004, 10:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Sep 7 2004, 10:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is a game issue more than a player issue IMHO. Aliens aren't strong enough in end-game base breaking, namely with the lackluster hive 3 abilities. It is not reasonable to blame the aliens for taking too long to end it while the marines drop turrets and HMGs and make a game of seeing how long they can last(while simultaneously complaining to the aliens about it, mind you). On the other hand, you can't blame the marine team for trying to salvage a little bit of fun out of the game when they lost badly up until that point, and are just trying to make the best of it. Recycling or F4ing is equivalent to admitting that the game was a complete waste of time in my opinion, and nobody really likes to do that. The aliens want the satisfaction of a real win, and the marines want the satisfaction of putting up a good fight. Giving up early doesn't make anybody happy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sums it up for me.
I must agree with k33l3m. My clan mates and I were playing on another clans server, we had stacked the marines. So it was 4 of us plus a 1 pub against 8 aliens, among which there was one person who was a member of the clan which owned the server. Anyways, we were in the same situation, no nods, surrounded by the aliens, with offensive chambers on every exit of the base, on top of that they wouldn't come into the base, but slowly kill us from a distance over and over. After 10 minutes of that we decided that what was going on was completely pointless and wanted to start a new round, therefore we F4. What happened when we F4 to the lobby, well...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Message from admin [....]: Next time you all F4, you are all banned.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Make your own conclusions, but I don't see a point in trying to repel aliens when you are surrounded, and there isn't any possible chance for expending and overcoming the losing battle.* Why not end it when you can, instead of wasting time, when that time could be used in a new round with better chances.
* A comeback is very much possible, it is rare, but it is possible.
<!--QuoteBegin-Maximus~Titan+Sep 8 2004, 05:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maximus~Titan @ Sep 8 2004, 05:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I must agree with k33l3m. My clan mates and I were playing on another clans server, we had stacked the marines. So it was 4 of us plus a 1 pub against 8 aliens, among which there was one person who was a member of the clan which owned the server. Anyways, we were in the same situation, no nods, surrounded by the aliens, with offensive chambers on every exit of the base, on top of that they wouldn't come into the base, but slowly kill us from a distance over and over. After 10 minutes of that we decided that what was going on was completely pointless and wanted to start a new round, therefore we F4. What happened when we F4 to the lobby, well...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Message from admin [....]: Next time you all F4, you are all banned.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Make your own conclusions, but I don't see a point in trying to repel aliens when you are surrounded, and there isn't any possible chance for expending and overcoming the losing battle.* Why not end it when you can, instead of wasting time, when that time could be used in a new round with better chances. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well... What if you were winning, were about to march on the last hive, and the whole alien team F4ed? Would you like that? If not, then maybe you understand why everybody else got upset when you threw in the towel. If the aliens are actively trying to end it, it's just poor sportsmanship to steal the actual victory from them. If you really want it to end faster, then recycle the arms lab or something, but at least have the courtesy to allow the winning team to finish it.
If they don't look like they're trying to end it, then first consider the amount of resistance you're offering; if you're trying your hardest to repel the Onos that rushes in to kill you, even just with LMGs, then maybe that's why they're playing it safe? Unless you spent 10 minutes not firing a single bullet at the aliens and they still didn't finish you, don't try to tell me that your actions didn't have any impact on theirs.
they could have ended the round 10 mins sooner <i>if they were actively trying to end it</i>, what they were doing is just toying with us, instead of finishing the game
also, not that I said, that they didn't come into the base, but kill from far away, plenty of vents you could shoot from, where marines can't get to, nor can they spam them with grenades because there are no resources for upgrades.
also, if you have two onos, against 4 marines, no upgrades and no turrets in base, the round could be won very quickly. It isn’t that hard to overpower basic marines with an onos even if they are shooting at you, especially if your team mates are in the vents using acid and gas attacks.
Just for my opinion k33l3m, you have every right to recycle the base, but that does not mean you <i>should</i>. If people wish to continue playing, you should not ruin it for them and just leave. Leaving is faster than recycling anyways.
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As a hint, I wouldn't recommend browsing and reading threads if you don't want people's opinions shoved in your face, because that's what generally happens. It's also a bad idea to assume that your way happens to be the best way, and anyone who doesn't agree is a lesser being of sorts. I'm going to consider your viewpoint, but that certainly doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Please realise that everyone who disagrees with you or your beliefs isn't ignoring your points, but simply <b>not agreeing with them</b>, and if you have any hopes of participating in any form of communication whatsoever often, you'll have to accept that. It's not a "Well, I'm right, and if you can't see that, you simply aren't looking at it correctly" type of thing. You know, imho.
If youre not playing to win and youre not having fun why are you even bothering to play *AT ALL*.
If youre playing to win and refuse to acknowledge that strategy games are "all about mistakes" then what the hell are you doing trying to win in the first place, might aswell play 5 year olds at tic-tac-toe.
In this game you MAKE YOUR OWN FUN, this can certainly happen at endgame, if you refuse to do it you are a muppet.
In this game you EXPLOIT EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO WIN, if you dont then you are a scrub.
So if neither apply to you, ask yourself why the hell youre playing this game in the first place <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> The usual solutions you get from this response will mean you playing tictactoe with 5yr olds will make you happy, you gosu teamplayer you.
As for leaving near the end of a game, its simply demoralising for your opponents in that they finally (this may be a rare thing) achieve victory only for the game to end in a confusing (and unfun) manner. OMGBBQ
F4ing doesn't automatically mean an end to all gameplay. The beginning of a next round establishes a fresh new start and even grounding. While I'm not trying to dissuade you, I'd like a little more clarification on why you'd rather play a game which has been decided than a game where you can influence the outcome.
If youre not playing to win and youre not having fun why are you even bothering to play *AT ALL*. (etc.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, if you read the thread, you might not wonder anymore.
In the absence of a rolleyes smiley, I guess this one will have to do. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Most of you dont realize this, but F4'ing IS essentially a vote for surrendering. When enough guys decide the game is not worth continuing and F4's, "they lose AND the game ends."
On the other hand, if only a few guys F4's, then the vote fails, and the game continues on. Generally, F4 guys come back in after a few minutes of jumping around in the RR. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, because two or three people F4ing is quite fair to the rest of the team actually trying to conduct an enjoyable game. What a terrific voting system. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, these guys feel that the game has ended already. They would be of no use to the rest of the team anyway (ie, if they stay, they'll probably just fork around, jumping into pits, knife rushes, etc).
If 3 guys F4 at roughly the same, chances are, the enjoyable bits are already over. Let it go, do better next time.
Most of you dont realize this, but F4'ing IS essentially a vote for surrendering. When enough guys decide the game is not worth continuing and F4's, "they lose AND the game ends."
On the other hand, if only a few guys F4's, then the vote fails, and the game continues on. Generally, F4 guys come back in after a few minutes of jumping around in the RR. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, because two or three people F4ing is quite fair to the rest of the team actually trying to conduct an enjoyable game. What a terrific voting system. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, these guys feel that the game has ended already. They would be of no use to the rest of the team anyway (ie, if they stay, they'll probably just fork around, jumping into pits, knife rushes, etc). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, see, that's the point. Only in a decided game can you do crap like that, fork around, knife an onos, become a gorge's pet, etc. It's fun because it's different. People who f4 apparently don't take pleasure from that, so they'd probably just go afk until the round ended, and I couldn't care less as long as they don't take up the spawn queue <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
F4ing doesn't automatically mean an end to all gameplay. The beginning of a next round establishes a fresh new start and even grounding. While I'm not trying to dissuade you, I'd like a little more clarification on why you'd rather play a game which has been decided than a game where you can influence the outcome. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
As I've stated, I am not interested in winning or losing. Not being able to influence the outcome means nothing to me, as I get my enjoyment from playing. As long as I can still spawn and not <b>instantly</b> die, I can have fun. It may not be enjoyable to you, perhaps, but I enjoy it. I haven't said I'm against ending matches prematurely (or for it) here, but that I enjoy playing the game as long as it's possible. As I've said, I know what I enjoy, and you'd be hard pressed to convince me I don't enjoy it. I invite people who don't have fun like that to play on servers that do allow f4ing and the like, though. There are plenty of them out there, and it saves all the bitching and whining about "morons who want to keep playing a match they can't win" and the like. I'm sorry if I made that last sentence unclear.
If youre not playing to win and youre not having fun why are you even bothering to play *AT ALL*. (etc.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, if you read the thread, you might not wonder anymore.
In the absence of a rolleyes smiley, I guess this one will have to do. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
shut up or be useful, this lacks even the contribution of a random input it is merely an attempt to troll me without any backing, every single element of this has been discussed to death a million times and Im damned if Im going to read it again
In a big game, 4 person limit is a serious disadvantage, but might still be doable.
In a small game, 3 people may be enough to basically end it, so why leave it going with the other 3... (I've had a situation where one of the other 3 was AFK even.
Make it a percentage of the total players instead.
What?
You shouldn't post it again, either. You said nothing that hasn't already been said, and if you'd taken the <i>few minutes needed</i> to read the thread, you'd have realised that.
It wouldn't have been so annoying if you hadn't plain out admitted you ignored everything that was previously typed.
I'm in it for the sw33t spacemarine chicks, like BOZO^ <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Lame and try to have some kind of fun. First devour and I'm out.
But I have to agree about recycling the base, especially since the aliens often take their time toying around. I just think that finding a new server is a lot more convinient.
Hell why stop there? I'll start up an I&S thread about how the game should end precisely when the third hive goes up, then we can avoid this whole situation all together.
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As a hint, I wouldn't recommend browsing and reading threads if you don't want people's opinions shoved in your face, because that's what generally happens. It's also a bad idea to assume that your way happens to be the best way, and anyone who doesn't agree is a lesser being of sorts. I'm going to consider your viewpoint, but that certainly doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Please realise that everyone who disagrees with you or your beliefs isn't ignoring your points, but simply <b>not agreeing with them</b>, and if you have any hopes of participating in any form of communication whatsoever often, you'll have to accept that. It's not a "Well, I'm right, and if you can't see that, you simply aren't looking at it correctly" type of thing. You know, imho. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I just had to post, because this is probably the most well-thought, mature, and intelligent thing said in this thread.
I hate it when people F4 early. If you don't, fine. Go find a server that will cater to that.
I think there is a little bit of confusion here.
Lame and try to have some kind of fun. First devour and I'm out.
But I have to agree about recycling the base, especially since the aliens often take their time toying around. I just think that finding a new server is a lot more convinient. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Give this man a silver dollar. He states his opinion, accepts that the other side's right to play the way they want to play, and if he doesn't like something, he doesn't whine about it, he just finds another server.
I may not agree with his opinion, but this is the kind of post I like seeing here, and this is a post that could acctually be considered usefull to the servey format of this topic. Thank you Wirhe
And Weggy, I'll just point out that I have essentially been arguing the point that Ness made in that post 2 pages before Ness acctually made that post <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Haha, noted. I think Ness summed it up nicely though, with a big ribbon on top. One of those pretty ribbons, with many different colored stripes, and a little bit of glitter on it. But not too much glitter, because then it makes it look bad.
Also, not too many colors because then it just because this jumbled mass of colors. I mean, who wants brown on their ribbon? I sure as hell don't.
Yeah, one of those ribbons.
sums it up for me.
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Make your own conclusions, but I don't see a point in trying to repel aliens when you are surrounded, and there isn't any possible chance for expending and overcoming the losing battle.* Why not end it when you can, instead of wasting time, when that time could be used in a new round with better chances.
* A comeback is very much possible, it is rare, but it is possible.
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Make your own conclusions, but I don't see a point in trying to repel aliens when you are surrounded, and there isn't any possible chance for expending and overcoming the losing battle.* Why not end it when you can, instead of wasting time, when that time could be used in a new round with better chances. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well... What if you were winning, were about to march on the last hive, and the whole alien team F4ed? Would you like that? If not, then maybe you understand why everybody else got upset when you threw in the towel. If the aliens are actively trying to end it, it's just poor sportsmanship to steal the actual victory from them. If you really want it to end faster, then recycle the arms lab or something, but at least have the courtesy to allow the winning team to finish it.
If they don't look like they're trying to end it, then first consider the amount of resistance you're offering; if you're trying your hardest to repel the Onos that rushes in to kill you, even just with LMGs, then maybe that's why they're playing it safe? Unless you spent 10 minutes not firing a single bullet at the aliens and they still didn't finish you, don't try to tell me that your actions didn't have any impact on theirs.
also, not that I said, that they didn't come into the base, but kill from far away, plenty of vents you could shoot from, where marines can't get to, nor can they spam them with grenades because there are no resources for upgrades.
also, if you have two onos, against 4 marines, no upgrades and no turrets in base, the round could be won very quickly. It isn’t that hard to overpower basic marines with an onos even if they are shooting at you, especially if your team mates are in the vents using acid and gas attacks.