Heavy Armour Is A Pile Of Onos

whiskas · November 2002

<div class="IPBDescription">its not even funny...</div> did yu know that i was killed by a HA marine with a welder???
i was a fade.
i had acid bombed and slashed that marine a good 50 times, literarily
he just stood still for 2 minutes while i slashed and bombed him while he welded me whenever i got close
even tho fades have been stepped up in 1.01, i still run from HA marines, because we get minced by them
either you change HA from stopping 99.9% of dmg
or you raise its price to 40 ea.
HA is absolute BS

deimos_telarin · November 2002

A group of Marines who value team work with HA/HMG are supposed to own Fades who are not that skillful, bear that in mind.

Gazaar · November 2002

You sure his commander wasn't dropping health on him in healthy chunks? As a side note, your sig is too large, max is 400X70

Typhon · November 2002

Not to say you suck, but it only takes like 4-5 successful swipes to kill a HA marine. You must have been missing.

ianski · November 2002

Just remember that we need heavy armour to stop the Onos'. I remember three marines with HMG/HA fighting an onos and they all got killed. Now with your theory, that's 3x40rp for the armour and 3x25rp (i think) for the HMG that just got wasted. Even if they did win, there's easily another onos coming from along the hall.
Agreeably though, HA with armour upgrades is very very tough. I'm interested in it's exact damage absorption rate for the four levels of upgrades .. anyone know?

Private_Coleman · November 2002

agreed

Jeebus · November 2002

Simple solution, DON'T fight them head on, hit them with a few acid rockets, run away rinse repeat. Unless that HA has a welder monkey with him his armor will soon be gone. You are much faster than him with blink and you can regenerate (I usually get regen when there are no def chambers near by) while he would have to have the commander spamming him with health packs to heal. The key thing is though the commander cannot heal armor. HA is expensive, if they have cash to outfit their whole team with it you've done something wrong :o

If they make good use of welders though dont take them on 1v1, get a partner, you might be able to kill him solo and you might not but why risk it when theres something called teamwork?

Atziluth · November 2002

hehe... there has to be mitigating circumstances in your experience.

Fades can cut through HA pretty quickly if they can get the hits in. Their armor stops only 95% dmg which means each slash you do does minimum 4 dmg to health. The other 76 dmg gets applied directly to armor... which fully upgraded is only 290 (I beleive.. have to check config file to confirm). So 4 hits from your arms drops there armor to 0 and one more swing drops their health to 0... So a HA in perfect conditions should drop in 5 fade swings. This is perfect conditions... so call it 7 swings and that is about average estimated. That is about the same time concentrated HM fire will kill a fade at point blank... since the fade costs slightly less... Everything seems balanced.

As a fade I have killed several marines in HA... rockets work better IMHO as you have distance and 99% time HA marine does not have a buddy welding him. Soften his armor and you can cut through him like butter.... On the same token... HM at close range can rip through fades quickly... Direct GL hits work wonders too... but most smart aliens stay within sprinting distance of defense chambers if they can. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Daxx · November 2002

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (whiskas @ Nov 10 2002, 02:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i had acid bombed and slashed that marine a good 50 times, literarily

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I think your exagerating a bit, thats more than enough to take out a base, let alone one marine, HA or not.

Its meant to be tough.

ianski : HA Damage absorbtion rate: 95% Edit: Atziluth, fully upgraded HA hitpoints = 290

Also wiskas, you may have been playing on a server with cheats enabled, and that marine may have had godmode on. I've run into that a few times.

ShadowDrgn · November 2002

The welder is <b>brutal</b>! It takes a few seconds to 'warm up' but after that it applies 10 (affected by weapon upgrades) damage every 1/10th of a second or so. A welder can burn through a kharaa structure in a few seconds; I've even killed a hive with one. They also weld a suit of heavy armor to full strength in a couple seconds.

Greedo · November 2002

Whiskas, you died. Deal with it. If you get welded to death by a single marine, and the marine isn't cheating (as someone pointed out) it is entirely your fault.

Not only that, but your post is unconstructive, biased, and factually incorrect.

Also, your sig image is 3 times taller than board rules allow. Change it.

Hayduke · November 2002

Haha pwned.

Greedo to the rescue. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'>

Heavy Armour Is A Pile Of Onos

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