I've had my fair share of bad experiences with vets that have a stick up a very dark place, but I've also beaten vets to hell and back before, and they haven't said a word or they just had fun about it.
Drop the vet icon, it gives good players a bad name because of idiots who think they're hot stuff because they can own a whole team with an icon next to their name and a focus fade.
There's nothing wrong with knowing you're good. It's a whole new ball game when you say you're better.
I agree the Vet icon should just be done away with. Many of the vets that truly contributed to NS became playtesters, so just ditch the vet icon.
And for those people who are so "manly" that they need their little icon and some recognition, go donate $20 (instead of buying some pr0n) and become a constie--at least you are supporting them with your money.
Sorry if the post doesn't make sense. I'm tired. heh <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Umm, vet program is closed and no vet icons will be given out anymore. Any of the vet icons around now are given as a sign of appreciation for the work the vets did. It really doesn't mean anything anymore.
Vets shouldn't be banned because they are vets, they should be banned if they are cocky and don't appreciate nubs. Many people blame the whole vet population for soemthing a couple vets did. It's completely wrong and this thread really should be locked.
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
The vet icon really doesn't stand for anything anymore. It doesn't even serve as a sign of gratitude to those people that actually did what veterans were supposed to do. If anything, it promotes these threads. Thanks.
All veterans are rude hacking newbies who let scripts play for them. All conties are rich people who can can afford to throw money about. They also kick kittens. All PTs have no life and dedicate themselves exclusively to improving an obscure HL mod. All guides are trying to compensate for something.
Yet again the vets jump up to defend themselves against a non-existant "threat", some of which feel the need to insult (how droll) while some non-vets also decide it's a vet-slagging match.
I do believe the first guy was just (as many have before) trying to ask vets to be a bit nicer because as things, such as that AMX plugin, show that vets are being majorly paitned as arseholes.
So, the point was...stop being arseholes, be it the minority or majority of vets, or continue to have stuff created to keep you out of servers, regardless of how nice you are...not "all vets are arseholes!" as some of you seem to have taken it.
Also I'm a constie and I'm a student in the UK (yay for no grants or benefits, only loans). I paid for constellation thanks to the fun NS gave me before 1.04, and the fun it started to give me back with the tide of 2.0+. Needless to say I didn't buy food that week <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> But I do kick kittens <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the reason why most vets look like tiwits is b/c a good number of vets not auth 0 b/c they don't like the stigma attached to the icon.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's sort of a miniature of the CS community then? The nice people play on a LAN or on passworded servers with other nice people or stopped playing, hence the high concentration of complete idiots.
In all seriousness its not really a "vet" problem per se, but more of a clan/experience issue. For some reason once you pass X amount of time playing NS you suddenly feel empowered by the Great Gods of NS to claim to be the final authority on the game.
This afflicts a lot of players, and for the most part its easily ignored... except for 2 main groups -
Anyone with a tag Anyone with an icon
Anyone with a tag who causes trouble will bring notoriety to anyone else with that tag. See enough different tags and eventually you come to the conclusion that tag = griefer. Likewise with icons... it only takes 2 or 3 encounters with bad vets for the average player to equate icon with griefer.
Bad news always travels faster and further than good, so whenever a player is having a really bad game (no I don't mean losing, I mean asshats ruining the game) he tabs up the board and sees lots of icons and tags. If the icon bearers are the griefers then he'll remember that.. even if 1 or 2 were actually behaving.
If you tab up a scoreboard and its just a list of names then its pretty hard to label a griefer because he'd be "just another noob". However icon people and tagged people are rather noticeable, vocal, and in most cases full of conceited talk about "skills". So when they screw up its easy to spot them, and thanks to their icon/tag its easy to label the whole group.
Since the vet program was full of clan types this has led to the current dislike of clanners within the community, and IMHO why the clan community in NS is just not as strong as in other games. Yes, some people can blame constant betas and "skill less weapons" and "unbalanced play" but thats why there's a non-beta 2.0 floating around.
Thats beside the point. The main issue is that tags and icons will always cause people to be labelled based on the actions of a minority. Good players will accept this and drive on. Whining little children will instantly jump to the defence of their chosen "in crowd" and proceed to blame everyone else for not being up to their high standard.
So in short........ people will be smacktards. Ban the real troublemakers and drive on.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mercior+Sep 11 2004, 05:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mercior @ Sep 11 2004, 05:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sadly, the majority of vets are people who formed fake clans just so they could have the little icon next to their name. I think this alone says enough about these people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ^this is what it boils down to.
It isnt the "icon" so much, it just so happens that status was easy to get. (I'm trying not to make it to generalized) So... since it was an easy to aquire icon that was "1337" you had asshats with that type of mentality.. the only ones that still use it are typically just those people wanting to say thier special. That and notice alotv blatant aimbots seem to put the vet icon on? I dunno whats up with that. Its not the icon thats the problem. Its the people. Just move on and ban the **** not the icon.... but hey, its your server.
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
you can't ban the icon unless you have an admin on 24/7
you can ban all vets, and that just aint cool
hehe
the complaints about icons always cracks me up, the best is ofcourse Icon Stack, specialy when I am on the 'stacked' team <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
For those who have played with me you know I am a constie (random $20 that I had extra, payed for a great game, instead of going out to eat 2 times).
I am also one of the worst players in NS ever.
some one starts yelling icon stacks, then some one else points out that I don't count <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I love this game as much as any other donater, except the few I've run across that just donate so they can have an icon, and except I don't have $20 due to a lack of income problem, but thats besides the point. I've seen both sides of the vet spectrum, good, team-playing guys, and completely arrogant people who think if you aren't 30-0 you don't deserve to live.
Yes there are some people that ruin every group, and the vet icon just makes it that much easier to say "Hey, look, that guy is a vet, didn't that other guy always mocking us have a vet icon too? I hate those vets." I don't think vets should be banned from servers as a whole, but I think they should try to be a little less abusive towards the newer people, and the people that have been playing a while and still aren't uber. I'll be the first to admit I'm not that good, thats why 9 times out of 10 I'm the permagorge on any server I go to, but that doesn't mean I don't know the game any less than the vets do.
Icon stack is always going to happen, thats a big part of why some people don't like the vet icon. They have been on servers where theres 3 or 4 vets trying to body slam the marine portal door down in the ready room when the teams are 6-3 (little exaggeration, but the point is there). Stacking always happens, clan stack, icon stack, and even regulars stack. Theres no way to avoid it other than making all the doors random, or having something or someone that auto randoms people every round. Both will result in some people avoiding that server.
Again, I've met good vets, and I've met the ones that give the good ones a bad name. I don't have anything against the vets as a whole, but I think they should grow up a little, you are supposed to be the veterans and show people what good players can be like, don't waste your time and ours complaining cause you got spit killed or some guy didn't waste the 9 skulks rushing his way.
That's not what the point of this thread is, gg reading <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
Hah. Icon stack. Would you be whining if there were 4 iconless "vets" stacking a team? Yes. But wait! <span style='color:red'>THERE ARE NO 'VETS'!</span> There is no honourable knightly vet order that will play fair and strive to represent the best of NS. There are only skilled players, just like there are non-skilled players who come with a wide variety of psychiatric disorders.
Get it through your skull: vets do not exist, there are just icons for former vets (more than 80% of whom contribute to the icon's inflation). The players that 'stack' do so because they like playing together as a group - they do not have to cater to your needs and balance the teams, making everything fair. Icon stack means nothing.
BTW,
alias marinestack "special; jointeamone" alias +marinestack "alias _special marinestack" alias -marinestack "alias _special"
alias kstack "special; jointeamtwo" alias +kstack "alias _special kstack" alias -kstack "alias _special"
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"I don't have anything against the vets as a whole, but I think they should grow up a little, you are supposed to be the veterans and show people what good players can be like, don't waste your time and ours complaining cause you got spit killed or some guy didn't waste the 9 skulks rushing his way."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why? The vet icon means nothing. These people are players of the game just like you are. They can act like that annoying 12-year-old kid that spams through the microphone or they can be silent killing machines that get accused of hacking by that 12-year-old. They could be somewhere in-between. They can act however they want to. They have just as much reason to be nice/mature/caring/helpful/kind as any of the other jerks that circulate through your servers.
This is not a vet problem, but a preception problem.
That is: people see an icon, or a clan tag, and they assume and expect certain things, me f.i. having both a vet icon and a tag, find people expecting a lot from me: people asking me to com (while i have proven many times i have no knack for it) comes to mind, also i found some people become unfreindly twords me some times, despite the fact that i (despite my sometimes short temper) try to help people with the game: if somone asks i answear.
However, noone notices me at all if i auth 0 and altnick, its like i totally dissapear, they dont even accuse me of cheating as often...
The point is: icons and tags dont really say anything about somone personally, just what they have done for ns. You shouldnt expect them to act diffrently from other players because of it, and then become dissapointed when they dont live up to your expectations on how a vet/constie/whatever is supposed to act. This, combined with the fact that people notice an icon´ed player where they wouldnt notice somone else makes people remember disproportionately many vet ***holes, while in fact the bad attitude/good attitude ratio is about the same for icon and no-icon players.
Dont think that i´m trying to excuse other people, there are some real tards with icons out there, and they SHOULD get their act together, i´m just saying: the minority of vet´s i have met fall into that catigory, judge the player by the player, not the icon.
Helio: still wearing his vet icon to remind himself of the good ole´ days in the vet program (where the people that actually played at all were mostly the good ones).
Should people be made different from others just because they had a clan at the time of the tournament? (Did the tournament really happen?) What about people that have clans now and can't get a vet icon?
<b>But instead of just taking out the icon, add the option of assigning it to SteamIDs (server regulars), just like you can assign icons to ServerOps.</b> That way each server can have their vets.
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 12 2004, 02:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 12 2004, 02:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Guys, what's the point of this thread? Seriously. "I once played with an ****, and he had a yellow icon. Ban the yellow icons plz"
Open your mind a bit there. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry to say so, NGE, but it's ironic that you write this when Fletcher made the topic to ask all vets to behave themselves a little so as to reduce the taint on the icon, thus making that very plugin useless.
I agree with most people's assertion that this is the typical case of the vocal minority giving the silent majority a bad image. I also noted the points regarding a remedy to the situation. I'll discuss the issue with the powers that be.
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Sep 11 2004, 08:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Sep 11 2004, 08:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This reminds me of an NSGuide that was screaming at a newbie and threatening to ban him for dropping sensory first. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Now that is just comedy gold!
<!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+Sep 12 2004, 10:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ Sep 12 2004, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Sep 11 2004, 08:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Sep 11 2004, 08:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This reminds me of an NSGuide that was screaming at a newbie and threatening to ban him for dropping sensory first. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Now that is just comedy gold! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> u know some servers have the nsguide icon as some kind of recognition for their reserved slottists/whatever. which is the crappiest idea since umm free vet icons anyone.
Must've skipped over that post. Scoot, send the logs or screenshots of that incident to MajorChrome, please. If it's as you say, the person will've been a guide for the longest time.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Sep 12 2004, 10:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Sep 12 2004, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Sep 12 2004, 02:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Sep 12 2004, 02:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Guys, what's the point of this thread? Seriously. "I once played with an ****, and he had a yellow icon. Ban the yellow icons plz"
Open your mind a bit there. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sorry to say so, NGE, but it's ironic that you write this when Fletcher made the topic to ask all vets to behave themselves a little so as to reduce the taint on the icon, thus making that very plugin useless.
I agree with most people's assertion that this is the typical case of the vocal minority giving the silent majority a bad image. I also noted the points regarding a remedy to the situation. I'll discuss the issue with the powers that be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> NGE didn't say anything that made vets look bad, if anything he should be proud for pointing out the... irreleventness of this whole discussion.
*Sigh.* Show me the four posters in here that earnestly supported the AMX plugin. That's one per page. Shouldn't be too difficult, should it?
This'd be a whole lot more productive if our resident veterans would not feel unjustifiedly prosecuted whenever the discussion turns to the yellow icon.
<!--QuoteBegin-niaccurshi+Sep 12 2004, 12:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (niaccurshi @ Sep 12 2004, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yet again the vets jump up to defend themselves against a non-existant "threat", some of which feel the need to insult (how droll) while some non-vets also decide it's a vet-slagging match. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah getting automatically banned from servers unless i hit my 'auth' bind within a tenth of a second of joining is a nonexistant threat
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This'd be a whole lot more productive if our resident veterans would not feel unjustifiedly prosecuted whenever the discussion turns to the yellow icon.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> people can discuss it all they want because in game i have voice_enable 0, hud_saytext_time 1, and the "beep" sound that plays when people talk replaced with an empty file so i'm not distracted. if they're discussing "OH THAT VET IS RUINING THE GAME", i won't even notice, so i won't even be tempted to 'defend myself'. i <b>do</b>, however, feel unjustly prosecuted when i'm banned from servers because of "THAT DARN ICON" or because i have an "attitude problem" (<b>i don't have keys bound to either messagemode or voicerecord, so it's rather difficult to claim that i have an 'attitude problem' ingame</b>).
also, here is some food for thought <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"I once played with a black guy, and he had a yellow chain. Ban the blacks plz"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> there's no difference between saying this and what NGE originally (mockingly) said as far as i'm concerned
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Sep 12 2004, 04:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Sep 12 2004, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...the vocal minority giving the silent majority a bad image... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I see it the other way around... of all the vets I've seen on servers I can only think of maybe 3 who aren't idiots. When you make an icon easily available as a status symbol like the vets icon, most of the people who rush out to get it will be fools who want to dive onto a server and say "OMG LOOK AT MY ICON, YOU ALL ARE NOOBS".
Still, I'll say this for the vet icon... at least it gives you an idea of how many people on your team are going to res **** to fade, blame their death on noobs blocking them in or not building *them* DCs, and quit the server the moment things stop going their way. Similarly, I've found the guide icon a useful flag for people who'll CC block if they get in the command chair.
<i>Edit : Why is wh*re censored down to only 4 stars ?</i>
<span style='color:white'>Few things:<ul><li>Don't go off-topic.</li><li>Don't swear.</li><li>Don't think that I'll think twice about prosecuting a flame just because it encompasses myself.</li><li>This is not the first of your such posts. Consider this your official warning.</li></ul></span>
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Drop the vet icon, it gives good players a bad name because of idiots who think they're hot stuff because they can own a whole team with an icon next to their name and a focus fade.
There's nothing wrong with knowing you're good. It's a whole new ball game when you say you're better.
And for those people who are so "manly" that they need their little icon and some recognition, go donate $20 (instead of buying some pr0n) and become a constie--at least you are supporting them with your money.
Sorry if the post doesn't make sense. I'm tired. heh <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
the reason why most vets look like tiwits is b/c a good number of vets not auth 0 b/c they don't like the stigma attached to the icon.
Vets shouldn't be banned because they are vets, they should be banned if they are cocky and don't appreciate nubs. Many people blame the whole vet population for soemthing a couple vets did. It's completely wrong and this thread really should be locked.
no one is tarring all the vets.
everyone has said that there are lots of good vets, jsut some are realy not, and are espcialy b/c b/c of the visability.
the thread starter simply mentioned the amx mod for banning vets, he specificly said he didn't use it....
All conties are rich people who can can afford to throw money about. They also kick kittens.
All PTs have no life and dedicate themselves exclusively to improving an obscure HL mod.
All guides are trying to compensate for something.
Seriously. *snort*
I do believe the first guy was just (as many have before) trying to ask vets to be a bit nicer because as things, such as that AMX plugin, show that vets are being majorly paitned as arseholes.
So, the point was...stop being arseholes, be it the minority or majority of vets, or continue to have stuff created to keep you out of servers, regardless of how nice you are...not "all vets are arseholes!" as some of you seem to have taken it.
Also I'm a constie and I'm a student in the UK (yay for no grants or benefits, only loans). I paid for constellation thanks to the fun NS gave me before 1.04, and the fun it started to give me back with the tide of 2.0+. Needless to say I didn't buy food that week <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> But I do kick kittens <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
That's sort of a miniature of the CS community then? The nice people play on a LAN or on passworded servers with other nice people or stopped playing, hence the high concentration of complete idiots.
In all seriousness its not really a "vet" problem per se, but more of a clan/experience issue. For some reason once you pass X amount of time playing NS you suddenly feel empowered by the Great Gods of NS to claim to be the final authority on the game.
This afflicts a lot of players, and for the most part its easily ignored... except for 2 main groups -
Anyone with a tag
Anyone with an icon
Anyone with a tag who causes trouble will bring notoriety to anyone else with that tag. See enough different tags and eventually you come to the conclusion that tag = griefer. Likewise with icons... it only takes 2 or 3 encounters with bad vets for the average player to equate icon with griefer.
Bad news always travels faster and further than good, so whenever a player is having a really bad game (no I don't mean losing, I mean asshats ruining the game) he tabs up the board and sees lots of icons and tags. If the icon bearers are the griefers then he'll remember that.. even if 1 or 2 were actually behaving.
If you tab up a scoreboard and its just a list of names then its pretty hard to label a griefer because he'd be "just another noob". However icon people and tagged people are rather noticeable, vocal, and in most cases full of conceited talk about "skills". So when they screw up its easy to spot them, and thanks to their icon/tag its easy to label the whole group.
Since the vet program was full of clan types this has led to the current dislike of clanners within the community, and IMHO why the clan community in NS is just not as strong as in other games. Yes, some people can blame constant betas and "skill less weapons" and "unbalanced play" but thats why there's a non-beta 2.0 floating around.
Thats beside the point. The main issue is that tags and icons will always cause people to be labelled based on the actions of a minority. Good players will accept this and drive on. Whining little children will instantly jump to the defence of their chosen "in crowd" and proceed to blame everyone else for not being up to their high standard.
So in short........ people will be smacktards. Ban the real troublemakers and drive on.
^this is what it boils down to.
It isnt the "icon" so much, it just so happens that status was easy to get. (I'm trying not to make it to generalized) So... since it was an easy to aquire icon that was "1337" you had asshats with that type of mentality.. the only ones that still use it are typically just those people wanting to say thier special. That and notice alotv blatant aimbots seem to put the vet icon on? I dunno whats up with that. Its not the icon thats the problem. Its the people. Just move on and ban the **** not the icon.... but hey, its your server.
you can ban all vets, and that just aint cool
hehe
the complaints about icons always cracks me up, the best is ofcourse Icon Stack, specialy when I am on the 'stacked' team <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
For those who have played with me you know I am a constie (random $20 that I had extra, payed for a great game, instead of going out to eat 2 times).
I am also one of the worst players in NS ever.
some one starts yelling icon stacks, then some one else points out that I don't count <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yes there are some people that ruin every group, and the vet icon just makes it that much easier to say "Hey, look, that guy is a vet, didn't that other guy always mocking us have a vet icon too? I hate those vets." I don't think vets should be banned from servers as a whole, but I think they should try to be a little less abusive towards the newer people, and the people that have been playing a while and still aren't uber. I'll be the first to admit I'm not that good, thats why 9 times out of 10 I'm the permagorge on any server I go to, but that doesn't mean I don't know the game any less than the vets do.
Icon stack is always going to happen, thats a big part of why some people don't like the vet icon. They have been on servers where theres 3 or 4 vets trying to body slam the marine portal door down in the ready room when the teams are 6-3 (little exaggeration, but the point is there). Stacking always happens, clan stack, icon stack, and even regulars stack. Theres no way to avoid it other than making all the doors random, or having something or someone that auto randoms people every round. Both will result in some people avoiding that server.
Again, I've met good vets, and I've met the ones that give the good ones a bad name. I don't have anything against the vets as a whole, but I think they should grow up a little, you are supposed to be the veterans and show people what good players can be like, don't waste your time and ours complaining cause you got spit killed or some guy didn't waste the 9 skulks rushing his way.
Open your mind a bit there.
Get it through your skull: vets do not exist, there are just icons for former vets (more than 80% of whom contribute to the icon's inflation). The players that 'stack' do so because they like playing together as a group - they do not have to cater to your needs and balance the teams, making everything fair. Icon stack means nothing.
BTW,
alias marinestack "special; jointeamone"
alias +marinestack "alias _special marinestack"
alias -marinestack "alias _special"
alias kstack "special; jointeamtwo"
alias +kstack "alias _special kstack"
alias -kstack "alias _special"
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Why? The vet icon means nothing. These people are players of the game just like you are. They can act like that annoying 12-year-old kid that spams through the microphone or they can be silent killing machines that get accused of hacking by that 12-year-old. They could be somewhere in-between. They can act however they want to. They have just as much reason to be nice/mature/caring/helpful/kind as any of the other jerks that circulate through your servers.
That is: people see an icon, or a clan tag, and they assume and expect certain things, me f.i. having both a vet icon and a tag, find people expecting a lot from me: people asking me to com (while i have proven many times i have no knack for it) comes to mind, also i found some people become unfreindly twords me some times, despite the fact that i (despite my sometimes short temper) try to help people with the game: if somone asks i answear.
However, noone notices me at all if i auth 0 and altnick, its like i totally dissapear, they dont even accuse me of cheating as often...
The point is: icons and tags dont really say anything about somone personally, just what they have done for ns. You shouldnt expect them to act diffrently from other players because of it, and then become dissapointed when they dont live up to your expectations on how a vet/constie/whatever is supposed to act. This, combined with the fact that people notice an icon´ed player where they wouldnt notice somone else makes people remember disproportionately many vet ***holes, while in fact the bad attitude/good attitude ratio is about the same for icon and no-icon players.
Dont think that i´m trying to excuse other people, there are some real tards with icons out there, and they SHOULD get their act together, i´m just saying: the minority of vet´s i have met fall into that catigory, judge the player by the player, not the icon.
Helio: still wearing his vet icon to remind himself of the good ole´ days in the vet program (where the people that actually played at all were mostly the good ones).
<b>But instead of just taking out the icon, add the option of assigning it to SteamIDs (server regulars), just like you can assign icons to ServerOps.</b> That way each server can have their vets.
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Sorry to say so, NGE, but it's ironic that you write this when Fletcher made the topic to ask all vets to behave themselves a little so as to reduce the taint on the icon, thus making that very plugin useless.
I agree with most people's assertion that this is the typical case of the vocal minority giving the silent majority a bad image. I also noted the points regarding a remedy to the situation. I'll discuss the issue with the powers that be.
Now that is just comedy gold!
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u know some servers have the nsguide icon as some kind of recognition for their reserved slottists/whatever. which is the crappiest idea since umm free vet icons anyone.
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Sorry to say so, NGE, but it's ironic that you write this when Fletcher made the topic to ask all vets to behave themselves a little so as to reduce the taint on the icon, thus making that very plugin useless.
I agree with most people's assertion that this is the typical case of the vocal minority giving the silent majority a bad image. I also noted the points regarding a remedy to the situation. I'll discuss the issue with the powers that be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
NGE didn't say anything that made vets look bad, if anything he should be proud for pointing out the... irreleventness of this whole discussion.
This'd be a whole lot more productive if our resident veterans would not feel unjustifiedly prosecuted whenever the discussion turns to the yellow icon.
yeah getting automatically banned from servers unless i hit my 'auth' bind within a tenth of a second of joining is a nonexistant threat
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people can discuss it all they want because in game i have voice_enable 0, hud_saytext_time 1, and the "beep" sound that plays when people talk replaced with an empty file so i'm not distracted. if they're discussing "OH THAT VET IS RUINING THE GAME", i won't even notice, so i won't even be tempted to 'defend myself'. i <b>do</b>, however, feel unjustly prosecuted when i'm banned from servers because of "THAT DARN ICON" or because i have an "attitude problem" (<b>i don't have keys bound to either messagemode or voicerecord, so it's rather difficult to claim that i have an 'attitude problem' ingame</b>).
also, here is some food for thought
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"I once played with a black guy, and he had a yellow chain. Ban the blacks plz"<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there's no difference between saying this and what NGE originally (mockingly) said as far as i'm concerned
Loving it!
I see it the other way around... of all the vets I've seen on servers I can only think of maybe 3 who aren't idiots.
When you make an icon easily available as a status symbol like the vets icon, most of the people who rush out to get it will be fools who want to dive onto a server and say "OMG LOOK AT MY ICON, YOU ALL ARE NOOBS".
Still, I'll say this for the vet icon... at least it gives you an idea of how many people on your team are going to res **** to fade, blame their death on noobs blocking them in or not building *them* DCs, and quit the server the moment things stop going their way.
Similarly, I've found the guide icon a useful flag for people who'll CC block if they get in the command chair.
<i>Edit : Why is wh*re censored down to only 4 stars ?</i>