I Believe I Have The Answer

MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">to one of the most important questions</div> How Superhero teams decide who gets to be the leader and who gets to be the sidekick.

The answer my friends is a simple one; thumb wars.

For example, The Fantastic Four.
As there are four of them in the group, the only fair way to decide leadership would be through <s>a series of increasingly difficult riddles, each more fiendish than the last</s> a round robin thumb war tournament.

Firstly, some ground rules<ol type='1'><li> No body contact excluding that which occurs between the warring thumbs and respective hands</li><li> Competitors may not cause their opponents any harm through any means.</li><li> Competitors may 'psych' out their opponents by any means necessary unless in doing so they violate the first or second rules</li></ol>Now, lets have a look at how they would all go


The Thing vs The Human Torch - While The Human Torch does certainly have the whole combustable thing going for him, he is unable to use it to any great effect without breaking the second rule. Additionally, The Thing has a significantly larger hand, giving him the match.

The Human Torch vs The Invisible Woman - This is a tough one, The Invisible Woman does have a smaller hand, but she can go invisible. Eventually, The Human Torch would win.

The Thing vs The Invisible Woman - Same deal for this match, as The Thing's hand is significantly larger than that of The Invisible Woman, he wins this match.

The Thing vs Mr. Fantastic - As stated above, The Thing has the size advantage; not that it helps him in this match. Mr. Fantastic, as fans are probably aware, is damn stretchy. As such, he thumb is quite hard to pin, making him the favourite for this match. Admittedly, The Thing has the strength advantage, which would prevent Mr. Fantastic from pushing his thumb down. however, this is largely a moot point as when it is taken to the judges, they would rule in Mr. Fantastic's favour as he dominated the match.

Mr. Fantastic vs The Invisible Woman - Mr. Fantastic wins, no contest

Mr. Fantastic vs The Human Torch - Mr. Fantastic wins, no contest


After the round robin, we have The Invisible Woman with no wins, The Human Torch with one win, The Thing with 2 wins and our winner and team leader, Mr. Fantastic with 3 wins.


Now, myself and my team of researchers have been unable to disprove this theory. Which is why I pose this question to the public; are there any super heros who cannot beat their sidekick/team in a thumb war?

Comments

  • BahamutBahamut Join Date: 2003-01-20 Member: 12522Members, Constellation
    I'm sure if the invisible woman took off her top or dropped her pants she'd be owning the team pretty fast =)

    Silly heteros
  • aegixaegix Join Date: 2002-08-31 Member: 1256Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited September 2004
    Professor X vs Wolverine?

    although being a paraplegic I'm sure he has fantastic upper body strength.
  • TofumasterTofumaster Join Date: 2004-04-10 Member: 27829Members
    edited September 2004
    This truely is an interesting theory. However, I feel in the case of Han Solo and Chewbacca, this might be a different story. But then again, they are not 'comic book heroes'.

    In fact, this seems to work in every case, including the Xmen. Also, I feel that in the case of the Fantastic four, perhaps the Invisible woman would have triumphed over the human torch with ease. Her invisibility would make her impossible to pin down, and then out of nowhere, she would attack. yes... quite.

    Proffesor X is the clear champion of the X-men, all he has to do is dominate their minds and make them bow at his feet.

    by the way, this is hillarious.
  • TrojanTrojan Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4611Members
    edited September 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-@egis+Sep 13 2004, 04:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (@egis @ Sep 13 2004, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Professor X vs Wolverine?

    although being a paraplegic I'm sure he has fantastic upper body strength. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    One is allowed to sych out the other. Imagine how well someone could freak you out if they can read your mind...


    edit: Or he can just make you lose..
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    The Invisible Woman would win. She doesn't just turn invisible, she can create and manipulate force fields. It works out to be pretty much like Phoenix's telekinesis. She's beaten the Absorbing Man and She-Hulk on her own at the same time before, making her more powerful than the Thing. She could stop Mr.Fantastic from making a huge thumb by creating a force field around it.

    Yus indeed.
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    Inu-Yasha vs Miroku? I wouldn't want to thumb-wrestle with someone who has a black hole in their palm <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    Batman vs Robin - no real superpowers (they are ordinary humans), it would just come down to who is better at thumb wars. That would be a tough one to call
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Z.X. Bogglesteinsky+Sep 13 2004, 04:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Z.X. Bogglesteinsky @ Sep 13 2004, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Batman vs Robin - no real superpowers (they are ordinary humans), it would just come down to who is better at thumb wars. That would be a tough one to call <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Clearly Batman wins, as he is dressed in rubber <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited September 2004
    And also the fact that he's spent most of his life either training or fighting. I bet he's got awesome thumb control. Robin's just some punk kid.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Sep 13 2004, 10:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Sep 13 2004, 10:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And also the fact that he's spent most of his life either training or fighting. I bet he's got awesome thumb control. Robin's just some punk kid. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That, and Robin just sucks.

    Nobody likes Robin.
  • IsamilIsamil Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23552Members, Constellation
    I read the thread title, and thought you were going to say 42.
  • reasareasa Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Isamil+Sep 13 2004, 02:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Isamil @ Sep 13 2004, 02:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I read the thread title, and thought you were going to say 42. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I thought that to...however this is even more strange. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • docchimpydocchimpy Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18266Members
    I think Robin would win between him and Batman- he's a kid, and would theoretically spend more time thumb wrestling (I don't recall any adults thumb wrestling much). He'd still be fresh, while the Bat's skills would be old and stale. Robin would win.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    But batman has trained in martial arts for years!!!

    Besides Robin died... Bats wins by default ^~
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Geminosity+Sep 13 2004, 04:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Sep 13 2004, 04:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But batman has trained in martial arts for years!!!

    Besides Robin died... Bats wins by default ^~ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There's two left. The original Robin (who went solo and took on a new identity, Nightwing) and the latest one. He can't even thumb war against the corpse, because it was stolen...

    Batman has to have a wide variety of skills to survive - sharp wits, extensive knowledge of nutters, fighting skills and most important of all, the ability to win any thumb war ever ever ever ever ever.
  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    I don't think it is thumb wars. You've got it all wrong.

    Rock paper scissors. Oh yeah. The reason the sidekick is never as good as the superhero is because of the media hyping up the superhero with action figures and such. The sidekick, in fact, is just as good as the superhero in a lot of cases.

    "Alright Batman. On the count of 3, throw out your fist."

    "Right, Robin. On the count of 3... 1... 2... 3..."

    *Both throw out hands*

    "Rock again!? You always pick rock!!!"
  • PerditionPerdition Join Date: 2004-07-02 Member: 29692Members
    Kato > Green Hornet.
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Nonsense Hawkeye. Rock paper scissors is not a game for deciding such important matters.
  • SgtFurySgtFury Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13219Members
    Is this why in the justice society they are always having new leaders because none of them can stay dominant for long? !?!!? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> As soon as someone new comes along they win?

    Thinking about the JSA and The JLA wouldn`t the Flash family be the winner every time? As soon as someone said go they would have responded microseconds before the opponent and therefore caught them off guard and win?
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited September 2004
    He wouldn't be able to budge Superman's thumb of steel. Chances are that Supes would snap his opponent's thumb right off.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Sep 14 2004, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Sep 14 2004, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> He wouldn't be able to budge Superman's thumb of steel. Chances are that Supes would snap his opponent's thumb right off. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Against the rules.
  • RuByRuBy Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10732Members
    I can't think of that many heros have real sidekicks. Most of them just have a hot chick sidekick. I mean Superman could beat the crap out of Lois Lane and Spidey could take out Mary Jane anytime.
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited September 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Sep 14 2004, 08:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Sep 14 2004, 08:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Sep 14 2004, 09:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Sep 14 2004, 09:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> He wouldn't be able to budge Superman's thumb of steel. Chances are that Supes would snap his opponent's thumb right off. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Against the rules. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I didn't mean that he would do it <i>deliberately</i>. The guy can benchpress over a hundred tons, and can hold his own in a fight against a god. Thumb-warring against him would be risky, to say the least, unless you're someone like Martian Manhunter or Wonder Woman.
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    The powerpuff girls must have a really shaky command structure, considering they don't have thumbs (or fingers for that matter) and all.
  • PerditionPerdition Join Date: 2004-07-02 Member: 29692Members
    As I said before. Kato would pwn the Green Hornet. Thus, Kato should be the man and not the silent uber-cool sidekick he is. But he isnt, is he? You see, the command structure really has nothing to do with thier thumb abilities, it's all about the script and/or guy who drew the comic!

    Bruce Lee forevAr!1!!1!!
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