<!--QuoteBegin-kida+Sep 13 2004, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Sep 13 2004, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "No subject is not taboo in this thread..." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But that doesn't work because it is a double negative right? Or was that your point? I'm kinda confused about this.
The subject is the subject, and the word taboo is describing the subject, subject. The word no isthere to specify that a subject cannot be taboo. It's good, I think.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I Was Thinking, about this grammer problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
grammar. :P
I couldn't resist man, its in the freakin topic! :P
<!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Sep 13 2004, 10:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Sep 13 2004, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "No men are not tolerated in this thread..." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Double negatives would cancel eachother out -
.lol. doomeh. i did that on purpose. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But yeah. The point I should've stated more clear before was that if you read in proper diction from left to right, word for word, it wouldn't make sense because you can't ascribe a quality to something that is nothing. Ack, stupid scrupulous mind of mine, always doubting positive truths. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"No men are not tolerated in this thread..."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
that would equal something along the lines of:
not having any men in this thread is untolerable / men must be in this thread
But you don't read sentences word for word and decipher the meaning as you go along one word at a time. You read the phrases and then use the words in the context of the phrase to determine the meaning. This is why most newspapers/books use short, easy sentences, and the harder books use long, undecipherable phrases and words that take several re-readings in the entirety of the phrase to figure out what it is really saying
"I don't NOT like you. Double negative you see, yes yes, quite smart, Hmm."
I couldn't resist man, its in the freakin topic! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Doom there is two spellings of Grammar.
I couldn't resist man, its in the freakin topic! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Doom there is two spellings of Grammar. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yup, the right way and the wrong way
<!--QuoteBegin-Crono5788+Sep 13 2004, 10:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crono5788 @ Sep 13 2004, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Sep 13 2004, 10:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Sep 13 2004, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "No men are not tolerated in this thread..." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Double negatives would cancel eachother out -
"Men are tolerated in this thread." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> double negatives are illegal in grammar. thus, they cannot cancel each other out because the sentence would be WRONG.
<!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Sep 14 2004, 02:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Sep 14 2004, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Crono5788+Sep 13 2004, 10:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crono5788 @ Sep 13 2004, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Sep 13 2004, 10:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Sep 13 2004, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "No men are not tolerated in this thread..." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Double negatives would cancel eachother out -
"Men are tolerated in this thread." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> double negatives are illegal in grammar. thus, they cannot cancel each other out because the sentence would be WRONG. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Since when? They're perfectly ok in logic...
Saying "I like you" and "I don't not like you" don't really mean the same thing. Well, they do technically, but the former statement is positive, while the latter is negative and usually followed by "...but I'm changing my mind about that". :P
double negatives can equal a positive and a negative... some info - if you're intetersted <a href='http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/023.html' target='_blank'>http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/023.html</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-kida+Sep 14 2004, 01:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Sep 14 2004, 01:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> One thing that kind of strikes me odd is how nothing can have a quality to it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ODDLY!
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<!--QuoteBegin-kida+Sep 13 2004, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Sep 13 2004, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "No subject is taboo in this thread..."
"No subject is not taboo in this thread..."
One thing that kind of strikes me odd is how nothing can have a quality to it.
meh. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The word choice you've selected represents poor sentence structure. The real problem here is that "No subject" denotes plurality. A better sentence structure would be:
"Subjects are not taboo in this thread..." or "Subjects are taboo in this thread.."
Next lesson: How to stop scratching your armpits in public.
I couldn't resist man, its in the freakin topic! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Doom there is two spellings of Grammar. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yup, the right way and the wrong way <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Indeed.
"I don't not like you" sounds very wrong.... "I do not NOT like you" is a better one, although a bit longer.
Remember, double negatives are possible, you just have to get them to sound right.
I'm gonna take an example of le internet <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> "No websites with no advertisements are <insert some comments about how ads ARE needed>"
I'll extend that into something everyone dreams of just for the heck of it. "No websites with no advertisements are deemed paradise on the internet."
<!--QuoteBegin-RaVe+Sep 14 2004, 11:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Sep 14 2004, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "I don't not like you" sounds very wrong.... "I do not NOT like you" is a better one, although a bit longer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's a family guy quote <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
EDIT : You're probably wondering why such a person like me, who hasn't watched Family Guy at all, exists in this world.....like I said in another thread, I didn't ask to be born, and I'd prefer that I'd not been born at all....
Then you won't have to live a horror that is a person who hasn't watched Family Guy. In guess it just happens <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Double negitives do not equal a negitive, by definition they cancel eachother out. I this case it isn't as clear cut as some of us are making it out to be however, a double negitive here acctually changes the definition.
"No subject is not taboo in this thread..." could also read
"All subjects are taboo in this thread..." but isn't prefectly congruent with
"Subjects are taboo in this thread..." (which is just canceling the negtives)
This is due to the fact that the word 'no' is not simply a negitive, it has a encompasing nature. By saying "no subject" we refer to the fact that all the subjects fall under the condition in a negitive state to the adjective, where as in the example of the true cancelization I give, it is implyed that some sujects in the thread may not be taboo, but it is true that some are definately taboo.
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But that doesn't work because it is a double negative right? Or was that your point? I'm kinda confused about this.
about this grammer problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
grammar. :P
I couldn't resist man, its in the freakin topic! :P
<!--QuoteBegin-dirtygabbsnevada's_sig+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dirtygabbsnevada's_sig)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>WE LIKE THE MOON!!!</span></span><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Couldn't be as bad as whatever proliferated that! Nyah nyah. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
thus, saying
"No subject is taboo in this thread..." would equal
"No men are tolerated in this thread..."
"No subject is not taboo in this thread..." would equal
"No men are not tolerated in this thread..."
where men is the subject, and tolerated is the adjective describing the subject.
at least i think...
Double negatives would cancel eachother out -
"Men are tolerated in this thread."
But yeah. The point I should've stated more clear before was that if you read in proper diction from left to right, word for word, it wouldn't make sense because you can't ascribe a quality to something that is nothing. Ack, stupid scrupulous mind of mine, always doubting positive truths. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
that would equal something along the lines of:
not having any men in this thread is untolerable
/
men must be in this thread
"I don't NOT like you. Double negative you see, yes yes, quite smart, Hmm."
about this grammer problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
grammar. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I couldn't resist man, its in the freakin topic! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Doom there is two spellings of Grammar.
about this grammer problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
grammar. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I couldn't resist man, its in the freakin topic! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Doom there is two spellings of Grammar. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yup, the right way and the wrong way
Double negatives would cancel eachother out -
"Men are tolerated in this thread." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
double negatives are illegal in grammar. thus, they cannot cancel each other out because the sentence would be WRONG.
Double negatives would cancel eachother out -
"Men are tolerated in this thread." <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
double negatives are illegal in grammar. thus, they cannot cancel each other out because the sentence would be WRONG. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Since when? They're perfectly ok in logic...
some info - if you're intetersted <a href='http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/023.html' target='_blank'>http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/023.html</a>
ODDLY!
"No subject is not taboo in this thread..."
One thing that kind of strikes me odd is how nothing can have a quality to it.
meh. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The word choice you've selected represents poor sentence structure. The real problem here is that "No subject" denotes plurality. A better sentence structure would be:
"Subjects are not taboo in this thread..."
or
"Subjects are taboo in this thread.."
Next lesson: How to stop scratching your armpits in public.
about this grammer problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
grammar. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I couldn't resist man, its in the freakin topic! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Doom there is two spellings of Grammar. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yup, the right way and the wrong way <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed.
"I do not NOT like you" is a better one, although a bit longer.
Remember, double negatives are possible, you just have to get them to sound right.
I'm gonna take an example of le internet <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"No websites with no advertisements are <insert some comments about how ads ARE needed>"
I'll extend that into something everyone dreams of just for the heck of it.
"No websites with no advertisements are deemed paradise on the internet."
See? It makes sense no?
"I do not NOT like you" is a better one, although a bit longer. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's a family guy quote <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Let the beatings commence!
EDIT : You're probably wondering why such a person like me, who hasn't watched Family Guy at all, exists in this world.....like I said in another thread, I didn't ask to be born, and I'd prefer that I'd not been born at all....
Then you won't have to live a horror that is a person who hasn't watched Family Guy. In guess it just happens <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"No subject is not taboo in this thread..." could also read
"All subjects are taboo in this thread..." but isn't prefectly congruent with
"Subjects are taboo in this thread..." (which is just canceling the negtives)
This is due to the fact that the word 'no' is not simply a negitive, it has a encompasing nature. By saying "no subject" we refer to the fact that all the subjects fall under the condition in a negitive state to the adjective, where as in the example of the true cancelization I give, it is implyed that some sujects in the thread may not be taboo, but it is true that some are definately taboo.