<div class="IPBDescription">What was before focus?</div> Well the title basically says it all, I was just wondering what upgrade was there for sensory before the oh so .... (i just wont say anything about focus) Focus came to life.
Before focus there was Advanced Hive Sight, i think. It made marines/marine buildings light up like your teammates when you have your flashlight on. Pheromones (sp) was also in sensory category. It made the marines leave glowing footprints in the ground for a short amount of time.
Advanced hive sight: you know the alien flashlight? with this upgrade, the flashlight also lights up marines and their structures. This was somewhat useful for those of us who didnt crank up the gamma
was replaced by:
Pheremones (its probably spelt wrong...sue me): marines leave a trail of yellow cloud, so you can trail them. This was pretty much drop dead useless. By the time you can see the clouds, you can probably hear the marine. It also gets annoying in battle (lots of yellow clouds everywhere)
was replaced by:
Focus. The most useful of the lot. Results may vary <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I dont like focus, but dont get me wrong i never liked pheremones either. Lets make something else! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1) what. if u die to 1 bite and feel the need to **** about it, do the math first. 1 skulkbite=75 dmg therefore focus=150. 1 marine armor point=2 hp.
2) you dont like focus because u either cant use it or cant hit the skulk before it bites you. dont u realise focus is a BUFF for the aliens. goddamit u should all be freaking grateful forever for that.
edit: 3) YEAH lets replace focus with something.. umm wait, what? hey i dont like celerity because i hate it when celerity leap skulks kill me even tho i have HMG. oh yeah that brings us to another point: leap is totally unfair skulks are for AMBUSHING jeez. replace leap with, i dunno, think of something.
<u>Sensory Upgrade: Inteligence Lift</u> Allows gorges to pickup and drop alien buildings elsewhere and one at a time, also gives other species of alien, LerkLift, or fades carrying gorges.
evidently you never played with pheremones... focus is extremly usefull. Quit trying to remove anything that gets in your way instead of learning strategies to cope with it... (IE when a fade swiipes with focus, duck and move to the left/right opposite of his direction hes comming, he'll miss that first swipe and odds are throws off his attack timing.) DUH!!!!!
Or don't play combat and you don't have to deal with focus/cara/rege/celerity fades. Because in all honesty going sens first vs competent marines is like shooting ones self in the foot. The first upgrade marines get in classic totally negates any advantage that focus gives. Infact you're better off without focus when they get armor1 due to the rof being like 150% less
No upgrade they put in Sensory is going to singlehandedly fix the issues with it going first, since one hive Fades and especially Onoses are still crippled without Defense(and Sensory first probably means no Movements ever).
Kenichi-SNK is one of the Reasons why Aliens are so weak. People like him whine about something which results in a nerve of the Aliens. Please think before posting such a crap.
<!--QuoteBegin-Chem+Sep 15 2004, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chem @ Sep 15 2004, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or don't play combat and you don't have to deal with focus/cara/rege/celerity fades. Because in all honesty going sens first vs competent marines is like shooting ones self in the foot. The first upgrade marines get in classic totally negates any advantage that focus gives. Infact you're better off without focus when they get armor1 due to the rof being like 150% less <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> wow...wrong we have won many rounds going sensory first in matches..gg
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->going sens first vs competent marines is like shooting ones self in the foot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->we have won many rounds going sensory first in matches.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
this kind of flow of conversation continues to amuse me.
and my first post was dead serious, because i dont play aliens, heavens sake who can with all these 15-shots-1-kill hackers rampaging our peaceful community.
<!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Sep 15 2004, 12:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Sep 15 2004, 12:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ... because i dont play aliens, heavens sake who can with all these 15-shots-1-kill hackers rampaging our peaceful community. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> YOu said it yourself, you dont play aliens... thats my opinion of why problems have started to arise as is, and its comming from the co_ only areas. (its just my opinion).
Focus is only a 1 hit kill if you dont play smart and get armor. What, you think goin all heavy weps with no defense will win teh game? It dont work that way. Besides, what use would welders have then in CO cept for the CC? Geez.
on a side note... isnt it kinda embarrasing having people watch you jump up in down in the marine selection with 5 other people waiting for someone to go alien so you can stack marine?... I know its mean but... bleh... I wont finish that thought. Play aliens and you'll see how the game really is, being one sided like that your opinion is kind of invalidated.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Sep 15 2004, 09:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 15 2004, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Id be grateful if they got rid of it.
Perhaps we should fling in some new ideas like..
<u>Sensory Upgrade: Inteligence Lift</u> Allows gorges to pickup and drop alien buildings elsewhere and one at a time, also gives other species of alien, LerkLift, or fades carrying gorges. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> New sensory upgrade:
Fade-lift
"Fade blinks into marine base, chucks a gorge at the comm chair, killing it for 15,000 points of damage!"
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> "OMG WHAT WAS TAHT"
dont you mean point? (co_) WTH you spend 1 point and negate that. (in NS) Comm spends 20 res and negates that (which costs the aliens min of 30 res to be able to get to that point lvl2 focus doesnt do as much). Which also means no regen for the skulk if in NS.
On a side note, in order to have 3 early game it will also tie up two lifeforms for gorge and sens, one stays to drop the 3rd, which means a minium of 2 lost RTs and a higher lifeform. Plus harder to survive as lerk/fade.
<!--QuoteBegin-Raistlin666+Sep 15 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Raistlin666 @ Sep 15 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Kenichi-SNK is one of the Reasons why Aliens are so weak. People like him whine about something which results in a nerve of the Aliens. Please think before posting such a crap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Precisely why i never go aliens anymore, oh and speak nicely to others man, you dont even know me. I support many actions in trying to make the marines stronger, why do you think i want rid of 'focus'?
"Fade blinks into marine base, chucks a gorge at the comm chair, killing it for 15,000 points of damage!"
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> "OMG WHAT WAS TAHT" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hahaha! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Yeah thats a great way to look at that. Gorge soccer or bowling.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kenichi-SNK+Sep 15 2004, 10:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kenichi-SNK @ Sep 15 2004, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Raistlin666+Sep 15 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Raistlin666 @ Sep 15 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Kenichi-SNK is one of the Reasons why Aliens are so weak. People like him whine about something which results in a nerve of the Aliens. Please think before posting such a crap. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Precisely why i never go aliens anymore, oh and speak nicely to others man, you dont even know me. I support many actions in trying to make the marines stronger, why do you think i want rid of 'focus'? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You missed the point. His point is that you are suggesting nerfs to the aliens, but you never play them, so you don't have any idea how it will affect them. You always play marines and want marines to be stronger. Many people will simply see that you just want to make the game easier for yourself and that you aren't concerned with the overall balance.
As for TOmekki.... I&S forum buddy <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well all if I knew anything about coding n stuff I'd try to make both teams evenly matched with outrageous buildings,battles,TOTAL on the edge of yer seat gameplay where neither team knows what the heck is going on and to get "OUT THERE" to find out.hehe
One of the things I'd do is maybe give skulks the ability to "only" build oc's on the walls,ceilings to helpout the gorge hmmm could be intresting since skulks walk the walls and ceilings.Say imagine walking into a hiveroom "a cloaked one or whatever and there's oc's on the walls and ceilings as well as the ground."Seige" and nades could take care of this prob,but make it hell for jetpackers <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> OH YEAH baby there's one dead marine.
Second thing give "xenocide" to onos also and "upping" the damage it could cause,like being able to takeout half of marine base regardless of whatever's built n takeout afew marines with it.
Seriously I had a another dream where I was in a map and saw oc's on the walls and ceilings lol.
Ok back on topic lol I like focus although I hardly use it.and when I did use it,ah cool taking marines out in one bite <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Forlorn- I like the idea of Fade-lift hehe being able to blink into rine base n chuck a gorge at the CC , lol ah yeah would be good times.I'm serious there.
<!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+Sep 15 2004, 01:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Sep 15 2004, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You missed the point. His point is that you are suggesting nerfs to the aliens, but you never play them, so you don't have any idea how it will affect them. You always play marines and want marines to be stronger. Many people will simply see that you just want to make the game easier for yourself and that you aren't concerned with the overall balance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I 'HAVE' played as aliens and know the FULL DAMAGE AND UPGRADES calculations so i do know how it will affect the game, iv bin here 4 about 3 years least. I play marines and want them to be stronger cos at the moment theyre too strong in combat and too weak in ns.
Many people will think i want the game eaiser for myself, but the fact is the people I play with dont, so pardon me. I am very concerned with the balance of the game having playing it going days straight [edit] for those 3 years [/edit] playing the same people on the same server trying differant tactics every game.
-_- Does everyone think i know nothing? KNOW before you judge! I enjoy going aliens, but i simply prefer marine side by default experience.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Many people will think i want the game eaiser for myself, but the fact is the people I play with dont, so pardon me. I am very concerned with the balance of the game having playing it going days straight [edit] for those 3 years [/edit] playing the same people on the same server trying differant tactics every game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
wow. looks like u edited out the best part. ah well. but yeah "playing the same people?" why on earth? do u realise that that in itself makes all your arguments and opinions regarding this game NULL. also im interested in learning how its possible for u to discover new hackers weekly (as you have, tho indirectly, stated in various other threads. dont take this as a flame, at least not too much) if youve played this game with the same people for 3 years? cause that'd mean you are a pre-release pt. CONGRATS.
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it did basically the same thing as scent of fear, except it left a "trail" instead of an accurate indicator of the marine's location.
before they changed it, scent of fear used to appear only when marines were below a certain amount of health. this made pheramones useful.
but then they change SoF, and pheramones essentially became SoF's retarded little brother.
was replaced by:
Pheremones (its probably spelt wrong...sue me): marines leave a trail of yellow cloud, so you can trail them. This was pretty much drop dead useless. By the time you can see the clouds, you can probably hear the marine. It also gets annoying in battle (lots of yellow clouds everywhere)
was replaced by:
Focus. The most useful of the lot. Results may vary <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: damn you skeleton
edit2: and you teppla
I dont like focus, but dont get me wrong i never liked pheremones either. Lets make something else!
I dont like focus, but dont get me wrong i never liked pheremones either. Lets make something else! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1) what. if u die to 1 bite and feel the need to **** about it, do the math first. 1 skulkbite=75 dmg therefore focus=150. 1 marine armor point=2 hp.
2) you dont like focus because u either cant use it or cant hit the skulk before it bites you. dont u realise focus is a BUFF for the aliens. goddamit u should all be freaking grateful forever for that.
edit: 3) YEAH lets replace focus with something.. umm wait, what? hey i dont like celerity because i hate it when celerity leap skulks kill me even tho i have HMG. oh yeah that brings us to another point: leap is totally unfair skulks are for AMBUSHING jeez. replace leap with, i dunno, think of something.
<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Perhaps we should fling in some new ideas like..
<u>Sensory Upgrade: Inteligence Lift</u>
Allows gorges to pickup and drop alien buildings elsewhere and one at a time, also gives other species of alien, LerkLift, or fades carrying gorges.
To everyone else, WTH remove something just because you get nubed by it due to you forget to get armor1 in co_?
Deadly serious, focus bums and pheremones doesnt help. Chuck something else in! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
People like him whine about something which results in a nerve of the Aliens.
Please think before posting such a crap.
wow...wrong
we have won many rounds going sensory first in matches..gg
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->we have won many rounds going sensory first in matches.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
this kind of flow of conversation continues to amuse me.
and my first post was dead serious, because i dont play aliens, heavens sake who can with all these 15-shots-1-kill hackers rampaging our peaceful community.
YOu said it yourself, you dont play aliens... thats my opinion of why problems have started to arise as is, and its comming from the co_ only areas. (its just my opinion).
Focus is only a 1 hit kill if you dont play smart and get armor. What, you think goin all heavy weps with no defense will win teh game? It dont work that way. Besides, what use would welders have then in CO cept for the CC? Geez.
on a side note... isnt it kinda embarrasing having people watch you jump up in down in the marine selection with 5 other people waiting for someone to go alien so you can stack marine?... I know its mean but... bleh... I wont finish that thought. Play aliens and you'll see how the game really is, being one sided like that your opinion is kind of invalidated.
Perhaps we should fling in some new ideas like..
<u>Sensory Upgrade: Inteligence Lift</u>
Allows gorges to pickup and drop alien buildings elsewhere and one at a time, also gives other species of alien, LerkLift, or fades carrying gorges. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
New sensory upgrade:
Fade-lift
"Fade blinks into marine base, chucks a gorge at the comm chair, killing it for 15,000 points of damage!"
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> "OMG WHAT WAS TAHT"
to be clear:
how the hell can that little dog kill me in just 2 bites? wait theres more. it spends two (2) res for an upgrade that makes me die in ONE hit. bs.
On a side note, in order to have 3 early game it will also tie up two lifeforms for gorge and sens, one stays to drop the 3rd, which means a minium of 2 lost RTs and a higher lifeform. Plus harder to survive as lerk/fade.
People like him whine about something which results in a nerve of the Aliens.
Please think before posting such a crap. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Precisely why i never go aliens anymore, oh and speak nicely to others man, you dont even know me. I support many actions in trying to make the marines stronger, why do you think i want rid of 'focus'?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->New sensory upgrade:
Fade-lift
"Fade blinks into marine base, chucks a gorge at the comm chair, killing it for 15,000 points of damage!"
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> "OMG WHAT WAS TAHT" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hahaha! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Yeah thats a great way to look at that. Gorge soccer or bowling.
People like him whine about something which results in a nerve of the Aliens.
Please think before posting such a crap. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Precisely why i never go aliens anymore, oh and speak nicely to others man, you dont even know me. I support many actions in trying to make the marines stronger, why do you think i want rid of 'focus'? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You missed the point. His point is that you are suggesting nerfs to the aliens, but you never play them, so you don't have any idea how it will affect them. You always play marines and want marines to be stronger. Many people will simply see that you just want to make the game easier for yourself and that you aren't concerned with the overall balance.
Hurray! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As for TOmekki.... I&S forum buddy <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well all if I knew anything about coding n stuff I'd try to make both teams evenly matched with outrageous buildings,battles,TOTAL on the edge of yer seat gameplay where neither team knows what the heck is going on and to get "OUT THERE" to find out.hehe
One of the things I'd do is maybe give skulks the ability to "only" build oc's on the walls,ceilings to helpout the gorge hmmm could be intresting since skulks walk the walls and ceilings.Say imagine walking into a hiveroom "a cloaked one or whatever and there's oc's on the walls and ceilings as well as the ground."Seige" and nades could take care of this prob,but make it hell for jetpackers <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> OH YEAH baby there's one dead marine.
Second thing give "xenocide" to onos also and "upping" the damage it could cause,like being able to takeout half of marine base regardless of whatever's built n takeout afew marines with it.
Seriously I had a another dream where I was in a map and saw oc's on the walls and ceilings lol.
Ok back on topic lol I like focus although I hardly use it.and when I did use it,ah cool taking marines out in one bite <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Forlorn- I like the idea of Fade-lift hehe being able to blink into rine base n chuck a gorge at the CC , lol ah yeah would be good times.I'm serious there.
I 'HAVE' played as aliens and know the FULL DAMAGE AND UPGRADES calculations so i do know how it will affect the game, iv bin here 4 about 3 years least. I play marines and want them to be stronger cos at the moment theyre too strong in combat and too weak in ns.
Many people will think i want the game eaiser for myself, but the fact is the people I play with dont, so pardon me. I am very concerned with the balance of the game having playing it going days straight [edit] for those 3 years [/edit] playing the same people on the same server trying differant tactics every game.
-_- Does everyone think i know nothing? KNOW before you judge! I enjoy going aliens, but i simply prefer marine side by default experience.
this is what i read
joined: december '03
and btw ns has only been out for 2 years.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Many people will think i want the game eaiser for myself, but the fact is the people I play with dont, so pardon me. I am very concerned with the balance of the game having playing it going days straight [edit] for those 3 years [/edit] playing the same people on the same server trying differant tactics every game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
wow. looks like u edited out the best part. ah well. but yeah "playing the same people?" why on earth? do u realise that that in itself makes all your arguments and opinions regarding this game NULL. also im interested in learning how its possible for u to discover new hackers weekly (as you have, tho indirectly, stated in various other threads. dont take this as a flame, at least not too much) if youve played this game with the same people for 3 years? cause that'd mean you are a pre-release pt. CONGRATS.