<div class="IPBDescription">Focus or...</div> Basically, i've seen a lot of disputes over Focus (including myself) being both a bad thing and a good thing so..
Do you think Focus is evil and should be replaced? if so then what would you replace focus with?
Focus isn't evil, or n00b. It's the alien equivalent of a shotgun in my opinion and it's a very strong weapon to use especially in coordination with a lerking teammate. As long it's in the game and the devs/PTers haven't made any changes, use it if it works for you.
Yes yes remove focus and make sensory as usefull as before. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i like it when im alien not to happy about it when im a marine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> but imo cloking is mutch lamer....
I second that, cloak walking I personally think isn't a viable strat at all, you might get one or two marines with that strat but it's way too time consuming. Plus sometimes as a fade or even onos, these cloak walkers do their thing in the middle of a friggin hallway, basically blocking me and causing my death. I know dying in CO isn't that big of a deal but it's annoynig as hell.
Focus is good but it reminds me more of a offensive upgrade rather than a senory.
Skulks and fades can really benifit from focus, more so if it could be combined with silence or cloaking. You can't see me, can't hear me, and I bite hard = deadly alien combo.
I think focus is great if you go super skulk <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
there are no lame upgrades. there are no lame lifeforms. there are no lame wepons. there are no lame strats. every thing in the game was placed in the game for a reson (not to mention was tested before hand).
so please when in game if you have nothing nice to say stut up...
im sorry but im tired of the fun being taken away by whiners.
<!--QuoteBegin-LittleToe+Sep 18 2004, 03:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LittleToe @ Sep 18 2004, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> there are no lame strats. every thing in the game was placed in the game for a reson <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> But not everything is always used in the way the devs intended when they put those things in the game...
I doubt when they were making v1 they built the tech tree up so marines could have an almost unstoppable JP/HMG rush every round.
(This isn't really referring to Focus, just the point that LittleToe made... if anything I think Focus is slightly underpowered compared to how it should be. (Bear in mind I only play ns_ mode, and if Focus were nerfed due to it being overpowered in co_ mode I'd be quite miffed.))
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<!--QuoteBegin-crisano+Sep 15 2004, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (crisano @ Sep 15 2004, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Focus isn't evil, or n00b. It's the alien equivalent of a shotgun in my opinion and it's a very strong weapon to use especially in coordination with a lerking teammate. As long it's in the game and the devs/PTers haven't made any changes, use it if it works for you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree with that statment, besides, its nothing a simple armour upgrade cant fix anyways whether it be CO or traditional NS.
Focus is in no ways lame - and is the Kharaa equivalent of the shotgun, and the Marine shotgun is FAR LOT BETTER.
In classic, focus is nullified by armour 1 - a 20 res upgrade, and will pay itself over time. Whereas the aliens will have to keep paying 2 res...etc etc...the only time a quick 3 sensory / skulks focus strat is viable is in the very first several minutes of lull time when a good competent commaner is upgrading to armour 1.
In combat? Stop bloody complaining, and get armour 1.
I'm one of the best players on my server, and in my opinion, the shotgun is better. In a square off between a focus skulk and a shotgun marine with no other upgrades, the marine will most likely win due to range. Yet - I don't see people complaining about the insta-kill shotgun, but readily hop on the bandwagon and say, "OGM!!! JOO USE FOUCSE! I MAEK U BANT!"
all the sensory abilities (cept SOF) require MORE "skill" if you are to use right, staying concealed as a cloaked ailen and makeing sure that rine runs into you is not an easy task, timeing the bites for focus is not an easy task either, if anything, you sould say "OMG! UBER KILLING MACHING WITH TONNES OF SKILL!!" instead of "OMG! YOU HACKER! I BAN YOU *******!!!"
In combat, focus makes your lethality as a skulk almost double - just like a shotgun. Combined with cloak its freaking annoying - but then again so is some guy buzzing the hive in a jp.
My only gripe with cloaking is this - why is it you cloaking nublards feel the need to cloak at the hive, then spend 5 minutes crawling towards the nearest marine? Why must said crawl ALWAYS be done in the middle of that narrow corridor, and especially when an onos is following/trying to retreat? I mean ffs if you really must cloak - then stay out of everyone's way!!!!
if i play combat i either go xeno silence cloak (lots of fun to cloak behind a group of rines and just xeno, silence now sileneces xeno so its awesoem) or i can go strait stomp onos..also fun <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->, thats only if im rapeing in first few mins and hit lvl 3 or 4 by the 2 minute mark, and i can sumtimes do a cloak focus nubsauce decision, in which case i bhop to the room where the rines are, then cloak....then walk on the wall until i come near one, hoping a alien can still get past me isnt a problem and most ppl appreciate the wall cloakers
<!--QuoteBegin-Beretta+Sep 18 2004, 07:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Beretta @ Sep 18 2004, 07:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Focus is evil, but thats the fun of it!!
In NS mode its kinda crap really because it means SC first, and well CO, who cares about co? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i have pulled off a sc then mov then def once, we won that game, but i best not derail this, dont listen to me.
Cloaking is a wonderfully useless upgrade. (I'm talking from a marines point of view.) I fail to understand what's so difficult about spoting a cloaked alien. It is, however free and quite usefull in a sensory chambers cloak radius.
Sensory balences itself out pretty well like that. While it's undoubtably a powerful chamber, it's very map dependant and specialized.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ollj+Sep 15 2004, 03:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ollj @ Sep 15 2004, 03:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes yes remove focus and make sensory as usefull as before. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
There is no such thing as "lame strats" in NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> whatever....you've obviously never played under a commander who decides to build a TF and 5 turrets around EVERY RT on the map before going after the last hive
believe me there is such things as "lame strats"
but I don't have a problem with focus, it costs 2 points for aliens, and you can use thoose two points to get armor 2 which is plenty at beggining game
I think the reason people are having such a problem with focus in combat is that they originally played classic, where the gameplay is completely different. One of the reasons that combat is so "alien dominated" is that the maps are more atmospheric and closer range. There are more places where skulks can come from, and less places for marines to run around in. Also, marines travel in tighter packs, making it impossible for that one 1337 sg masta to take down that celerity/carapace/focus skulk.
The more combat you play, the better you get used to focus. At a certain point you realize that it really is a fair upgrade for all lifeforms to have, and it is only overpowered in certain people's hands.
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There is no such thing as "lame strats" in NS.
not to happy about it when im a marine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but imo cloking is mutch lamer....
I second that, cloak walking I personally think isn't a viable strat at all, you might get one or two marines with that strat but it's way too time consuming. Plus sometimes as a fade or even onos, these cloak walkers do their thing in the middle of a friggin hallway, basically blocking me and causing my death. I know dying in CO isn't that big of a deal but it's annoynig as hell.
Both are fine in regular NS.
Skulks and fades can really benifit from focus, more so if it could be combined with silence or cloaking. You can't see me, can't hear me, and I bite hard = deadly alien combo.
but wait they learned that in 2.01
or did they?
find a better server i'd say.
Armour upgrade 1 + welders = focus
same cost.............
IMO, focus is a viable upgrade just like any others.
there are no lame upgrades. there are no lame lifeforms. there are no lame wepons. there are no lame strats. every thing in the game was placed in the game for a reson (not to mention was tested before hand).
so please when in game if you have nothing nice to say stut up...
im sorry but im tired of the fun being taken away by whiners.
But not everything is always used in the way the devs intended when they put those things in the game...
I doubt when they were making v1 they built the tech tree up so marines could have an almost unstoppable JP/HMG rush every round.
(This isn't really referring to Focus, just the point that LittleToe made... if anything I think Focus is slightly underpowered compared to how it should be. (Bear in mind I only play ns_ mode, and if Focus were nerfed due to it being overpowered in co_ mode I'd be quite miffed.))
I agree with that statment, besides, its nothing a simple armour upgrade cant fix anyways whether it be CO or traditional NS.
But ummm... actually using your brain is overpowered; please remove yourself...
In classic, focus is nullified by armour 1 - a 20 res upgrade, and will pay itself over time. Whereas the aliens will have to keep paying 2 res...etc etc...the only time a quick 3 sensory / skulks focus strat is viable is in the very first several minutes of lull time when a good competent commaner is upgrading to armour 1.
In combat? Stop bloody complaining, and get armour 1.
I'm one of the best players on my server, and in my opinion, the shotgun is better. In a square off between a focus skulk and a shotgun marine with no other upgrades, the marine will most likely win due to range. Yet - I don't see people complaining about the insta-kill shotgun, but readily hop on the bandwagon and say, "OGM!!! JOO USE FOUCSE! I MAEK U BANT!"
if anything, you sould say "OMG! UBER KILLING MACHING WITH TONNES OF SKILL!!"
instead of "OMG! YOU HACKER! I BAN YOU *******!!!"
My only gripe with cloaking is this - why is it you cloaking nublards feel the need to cloak at the hive, then spend 5 minutes crawling towards the nearest marine? Why must said crawl ALWAYS be done in the middle of that narrow corridor, and especially when an onos is following/trying to retreat? I mean ffs if you really must cloak - then stay out of everyone's way!!!!
In NS mode its kinda crap really because it means SC first, and well CO, who cares about co?
In NS mode its kinda crap really because it means SC first, and well CO, who cares about co? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i have pulled off a sc then mov then def once, we won that game, but i best not derail this, dont listen to me.
Cloaking is a wonderfully useless upgrade. (I'm talking from a marines point of view.) I fail to understand what's so difficult about spoting a cloaked alien. It is, however free and quite usefull in a sensory chambers cloak radius.
Sensory balences itself out pretty well like that. While it's undoubtably a powerful chamber, it's very map dependant and specialized.
There is no such thing as "lame strats" in NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
whatever....you've obviously never played under a commander who decides to build a TF and 5 turrets around EVERY RT on the map before going after the last hive
believe me there is such things as "lame strats"
but I don't have a problem with focus, it costs 2 points for aliens, and you can use thoose two points to get armor 2 which is plenty at beggining game
The more combat you play, the better you get used to focus. At a certain point you realize that it really is a fair upgrade for all lifeforms to have, and it is only overpowered in certain people's hands.