Just Back From Weapons Training!
Zig
...I am Captain Planet! Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
...I am Captain Planet! Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
<div class="IPBDescription">baaaadd aaasss.</div> I have about 20 guys in my USMC recruiting station's DEP (delayed entry program) pool. that is to say, we're all enlisted and waiting for boot camp some time or another.every month we have a pool function - that is, we do something as a pool every month (we PT three times a week but not everybody can make it). last month we had an IST (initial strength test) to determine who would become guide after the original guide shipped out (i'm one of the three squad leaders, and we report to the guide). the month before, we had a big barbecue at the beach.
this month, we went up to a Marine reserve station for weapons training <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> we paired up with another recruiting station's DEP pool. they were from San Jose.
i'll relate my experiences in order of coolness.
there were about ... 7 or 8 Marines present with us, and they instructed us in the functions and use of the M16A2 service rifle. it was me and this other guy (out of about 45 poolees) who knew the most about the weapons. we were instructed in firing positions and their variations (standing, kneeling, sit-kneeling, high kneeling, sitting, prone, etc.), and then we were sent off in groups of four, one group at a time, to go do something i'll talk about later.
while we waited to be sent out, they brought in an M240G GMPG, an M2HB, a Mk19, and an M249 SAW. we got to play around with those, all learned how they loaded and unloaded and how their respective actions work. VERY cool stuff.
a little while later we were brought through the motor pool, which was a collection of.. i'd say 15-20 humvees (military specs obviously), 5-10 special purpose (Mark) humvees, that are used for communication or refridgeration or anything that can fit in the back of a humvee with an expanded trunk.. there were about 3-5 old 5-ton trucks in various stages of decay, and about 4 new ones that were, frankly, some huge badass pieces of machinery. the highlight of this little excursion, for me, was the litter of stray kittens living in one of the roofless humvees.
now the COOLEST part.. was the <a href='http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/0/D9E53A94C0EF538485256EE0001FF52C?opendocument' target='_blank'>ISMT</a>. it stands for Indoor Simulated Marksmanship Trainer. it's basically a system of
1) live weapons converted to project laser and recoil with CO2
2) computers that register the shots
3) a bigass screen that you fire at, projected by the computer, with real-time images of a firing line and range.
you need to reload the weapon, utilize the charging handle, engage the safety, etc, all like a live weapon. being the gun-horny little bastard i am, i scored nice and high. i was already familiar with the mechanics of the M16A2 so i could focus on shooting, which was nice. wish i could have done more, but there was a **** load of kids who needed to shoot.
the recoil was almost that of a .223 in person. it was very cool. unfortunately we were only able to use the M16A2's... there were M249s, M240Gs, M2s, Mk19s, and i suspect a few sniper rifles (but i didn't get that much time to snoop into their weapons locker in the ISMT room). it was still by far the coolest thing we did.
all in all, pretty fun stuff <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
this month, we went up to a Marine reserve station for weapons training <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> we paired up with another recruiting station's DEP pool. they were from San Jose.
i'll relate my experiences in order of coolness.
there were about ... 7 or 8 Marines present with us, and they instructed us in the functions and use of the M16A2 service rifle. it was me and this other guy (out of about 45 poolees) who knew the most about the weapons. we were instructed in firing positions and their variations (standing, kneeling, sit-kneeling, high kneeling, sitting, prone, etc.), and then we were sent off in groups of four, one group at a time, to go do something i'll talk about later.
while we waited to be sent out, they brought in an M240G GMPG, an M2HB, a Mk19, and an M249 SAW. we got to play around with those, all learned how they loaded and unloaded and how their respective actions work. VERY cool stuff.
a little while later we were brought through the motor pool, which was a collection of.. i'd say 15-20 humvees (military specs obviously), 5-10 special purpose (Mark) humvees, that are used for communication or refridgeration or anything that can fit in the back of a humvee with an expanded trunk.. there were about 3-5 old 5-ton trucks in various stages of decay, and about 4 new ones that were, frankly, some huge badass pieces of machinery. the highlight of this little excursion, for me, was the litter of stray kittens living in one of the roofless humvees.
now the COOLEST part.. was the <a href='http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/0/D9E53A94C0EF538485256EE0001FF52C?opendocument' target='_blank'>ISMT</a>. it stands for Indoor Simulated Marksmanship Trainer. it's basically a system of
1) live weapons converted to project laser and recoil with CO2
2) computers that register the shots
3) a bigass screen that you fire at, projected by the computer, with real-time images of a firing line and range.
you need to reload the weapon, utilize the charging handle, engage the safety, etc, all like a live weapon. being the gun-horny little bastard i am, i scored nice and high. i was already familiar with the mechanics of the M16A2 so i could focus on shooting, which was nice. wish i could have done more, but there was a **** load of kids who needed to shoot.
the recoil was almost that of a .223 in person. it was very cool. unfortunately we were only able to use the M16A2's... there were M249s, M240Gs, M2s, Mk19s, and i suspect a few sniper rifles (but i didn't get that much time to snoop into their weapons locker in the ISMT room). it was still by far the coolest thing we did.
all in all, pretty fun stuff <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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/couldn't help myself
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doobers
sounds like fun though
HAHA! You said fortitude!
I will always feel this way, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I hope you continue to have some fun, soldier.
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No. The M-16A2 is clearly superior to the M-14.
I'm glad that you had fun there, Zig. The M-240, any varient, is a great weapon. It's easy to clean and you can't break that thing. It's built as solid as they come. I personally never cared for the M-249 SAW. I understand it's benefits, like standardized ammo, but I think that if you're going to use an automatic weapon, it should be a little beefier. The Mk-19 is fun, too.
The Ma Deuce is fun if you only have to fire it. I hated that damn weapon with a passion after a week of being introduced to it. It's heavy and it's a pain in the butt to take apart, clean and put back together. It's certainly effective, but when you have to hump a few of them from the armory to the motor pool, it just sucks.
The tricked out hummers certainly look nifty, but I wouldn't want to ride one into a firefight. 60 tons of armor > glorified grenade launcher.
<a href='http://brd3.chosun.com/bemil/files/BEMIL035/upload/020108-M-8643P-501_1.jpg' target='_blank'>armory refitted M14 DMR</a>
<a href='http://brd3.chosun.com/bemil/files/BEMIL035/upload/M14%20DMR.jpg' target='_blank'>notice the vertical stock grip and improved synthetic furniture.</a>
the M14 is still very much a formidable weapon of war. at ranges exceeding the practical range of the .223 round, specifically.
Awww Kittens!
Was the humvee being driven? Did any fall out?
On a side note, have you ever played the bf1942 mod "DesertCombat"? I have a friend who runs the largest tourny for it, lots of army guys play in it and say its pretty damned close to the real thing.
<a href='http://www.21stcenturywarfare.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.21stcenturywarfare.com/</a>
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Never heard of it, must not be to popular <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Stray kittens in the humvee. Thats hilarious. Sounds like a cool trip tho.
On a side note, have you ever played the bf1942 mod "DesertCombat"? I have a friend who runs the largest tourny for it, lots of army guys play in it and say its pretty damned close to the real thing.
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the kittens were OMG SO CUTE like less than 2 months old.. and no, this was at the motor pool, in which every vehicle was stationary.. nothin being driven at that point.
down at Camp Pendleton, though.. sheeit.. the motor pool was like a beehive of metal and wheels <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and yes i've heard of DesertCombat but battlefield in general is not a very realistic engine <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
yeah. marines kill each other all the time so they can get the vehicles that fall out of the sky before the other guy!
I hope you continue to have some fun, <s>soldier</s>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i won't be a soldier <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
but you can't call me a Marine, either... that term must be earned at boot camp... you can call me poolee haha <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I would have thought the recoil would have been a little more kick than that <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh well, drop us a line when you shoot some real guns like those sexy MG's <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I would have thought the recoil would have been a little more kick than that <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh well, drop us a line when you shoot some real guns like those sexy MG's <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
why would the recoil be more than that of a .223? that's what the M16 is chambered in lol
yeah. marines kill each other all the time so they can get the vehicles that fall out of the sky before the other guy! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And I hear in the army they train everyone to fly jets and helicopters, plus crew every tank and humvee. Also, vehicles respawn and to fix them you just bang a wrench at it. It is common practice to go in alone flying a jet, drop some bombs, and then parachute, hoping the falling jet hits a bad guy. Generally the best way to avoid tank fire is to jump around a lot, and working in squads of more than 3 is bad because then you might all die at once.
Just like real life.
yeah. marines kill each other all the time so they can get the vehicles that fall out of the sky before the other guy! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And I hear in the army they train everyone to fly jets and helicopters, plus crew every tank and humvee. Also, vehicles respawn and to fix them you just bang a wrench at it. It is common practice to go in alone flying a jet, drop some bombs, and then parachute, hoping the falling jet hits a bad guy. Generally the best way to avoid tank fire is to jump around a lot, and working in squads of more than 3 is bad because then you might all die at once.
Just like real life. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well thats why you dont be an **** like that...
What do you do, transform into some kind of ravenous canibal if you don't get your shot?
i think it's because, in a combat situation, you can be separated from your command unit or stranded somewhere, and unable to tend to your condition. it would be the same with, say, someone with a history of bipolar who needs medication to be stable.
it IS for your safety.
but... maybe the navy or AF might be able to take you, because the probability of getting a noncombatant MOS is higher..
i don't know. talk to recruiters, if you can.
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Answer any questions for you?
i think it's because, in a combat situation, you can be separated from your command unit or stranded somewhere, and unable to tend to your condition. it would be the same with, say, someone with a history of bipolar who needs medication to be stable.
it IS for your safety.
but... maybe the navy or AF might be able to take you, because the probability of getting a noncombatant MOS is higher..
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Yea, been there done that. I talked to Army, Navy, Air Force, USMC, even the coast guard...
None of em will take me, even for like a desk job or somthing like that...
But seriously, that sounds like fun. I hopefully be getting a chance to fire an M16A2/4 at Quantico, as my cousin is posted there. I do expect to be laughed at by the Marines, but oh well. Last time I went the guards had Benelli shotguns.