Post counts...

KassingerKassinger Shades of grey Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 229Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">I think we should discuss this...</div>I think there are way to many posts on these forums that have less and less content, and I suspect people trying to achieve high post counts is the reason.

So that is why I want to bring this up now.

I think there are two good solutions for this problem.

1) Remove all post counts.
2) Move post count to profile.

By the last one I mean removing post count showing up in every post, and instead make it so you can only see it if you check a persons profile.

I've seen way too many threads where people (I won't mention names, even though it's very tempting) go way off-topic and come with a lot of one-liners commmenting avatars and such in a middle of a discussion.

ED: Might I add that this will keep people from looking at new comers as newbies? That way we will be judging the posts more on the content than on the person posting it. (Of course we'll still be doing that to some degree)

I hope by saying this we can see changes that will bring the quality of the posts to a higher level.

Thank you

Comments

  • ThrillKill1ThrillKill1 Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 136Members
    I will have to agree. I see post counts as some kind of game in forums these days, and it seems attaining a high post count seems to be quite the extension to one's manhood. (ladies, take no offence, you know I love you all  <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo--> )

    One thing I would simply adore is if we would be able to request custom titles, yet for some reason you are not permitted such an honor, no matter your post count it seems. I obviously don't have a chance in hell to get my own custom title, which I personally think sucks.

    But whatever, it's not like I run this board. I could live without a post count and I can also live with getting whatever title I get. This, of course, is just my opinion.
  • ChromeAngelChromeAngel Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 14Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    * Laughs loudly at double posting on topic about raiseing post counts *

    I try to treat everyone the same no-matter their post count.  Just because you have made fewer posts it doesn't mean that you have not been reading.
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    That IS very funny.  Double post in a topic like this...lol...

    But anyway, this forum is in a community, it's not a debate room, things don't always have to be seriously on-topic.  Many of us would comment on avatars just for that reason, because this, and should remain, a nice, thriving community.  There's nothing wrong with it.  Each thread is a new conversation, and just as any conversation, it tends to sway and curve with the people taking part.  I'm only against people making BS threads that are pointless and have no value what so ever, even as easy-going chats.
  • pielemuispielemuis Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 72Members, NS1 Playtester
    k rob I think people can go a bit offtopic in a thread but really some people are clearly just posting for their postcount, if they wanted to chat, then let them go to the IRC channel ( #naturalselection on gamesnet), it often irritates me 2 see pointless posts, sometimes just 1 line.
    K and I'm sorry 'bout my reply in the offtopic forum, but you had 2 threads each one where you'd have to tell a story, clearly just put there to raise postcounts......
  • KassingerKassinger Shades of grey Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 229Members, Constellation
    I do agree that going sligthly off-topic and such can be intresting/entertaining, but if you look around you might find pages filled with nonsense in a otherwise intresting discussion. :/

    As far as I know, this wasn't much of a problem until recently, when a few threads took off in the wrong direction. It's sad to see good discussions interupted by stuff we really don't care to read.

    I do think that more good will come out of taking away post counts that leaving them in. Just hiding the post counts in the profile section will help a lot against 'spam'.

    <b>Edit:</b> Oh yes, I thought that double posting was hilarious too <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->, but I refrained from posting a new post just to comment it. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->

    <b>Edit2:</b> Oh, sorry, didn't see your post, Infect, before after posting.

    I very much agree with you Infect, on IRC you can just about chat about anything without messing the forums up.
  • ThrillKill1ThrillKill1 Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 136Members
    Well crap... lol

    I suspected that would happen, so I tried to check to make sure. After waiting a few moments, and opening this thread again, I swear I did not see the post there, so I thought it was safe to post again!

    lol, my apologies.
  • MoleculorMoleculor Namer-of-Bob Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 9Members
    The duplicate post was an error in the database. A rather common one. In fact, it's so common, we (the moderators)have a tool that's specifically designed to fix the bug in a single click on every thread we load.

    Back to the topic at hand.... (which is actually one of my jobs as a moderator... something it sounds like I'm not doing as well as I should.)

    Yes. Posts can get off-topic. There are many forms of Off Topic, but there are two that I can give you like pure Black and White

    Bad/Black/Evil: One line or single emoticon responses to a single person within a thread, much like a chat response, that is off topic.

    Example:

    <b>X:</b> Blah blah blah blah and Y has always had a problem with mental tasks higher than breathing. Just ignore 'im. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->

    <b>Y:</b> <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->

    Good/White/Angelic: A thread evolving into a thread about something almost the same, but not quite the same at the same time... such as an improvement to an idea someone has put forth, or something.

    Everything else falls in a grey area.


    One last thing: As long as it follows the board rules that you agreed to when you signed up... Very nearly anything goes in the Off-Topic forums.



    <!--EDIT|Moleculor|Mar. 16 2002,21:32-->
  • JedisarJedisar Join Date: 2002-03-03 Member: 264Awaiting Authorization
    Heh heh, I think you guys are only posting this to raise your post counts <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->


    [Edit] Wow...You guys should be honored..This is my 400th post, lol. <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> [/edit]
  • KassingerKassinger Shades of grey Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 229Members, Constellation
    Well, Molec, you still haven't posted your thoughts about post counts... <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->

    I really think that we should remove them, or move them to the profile etc. It will come more good out of doing that than keeping them in.

    Post counts can be useful in new fora where you want people to post more, but after a while it just makes people post lots more rubbish than they would have otherwise. I'll be a loyal NS fan rest of my life if Flayra and company remove the post counts, a true way to show how much they care for the quality of the community rather than 'contests' of posting as much as possible. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->

    <b>Edit:</b> Tempted to start spammin' light just to prove a point. But I don't think I need to, I have enough fellow poster to do that for me. :S
  • PsymastaPsymasta Join Date: 2002-03-10 Member: 295Members
    As the gaming community refers to it in SG, "Post count != p*nis length."
  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    It amuses me how this is becoming rather a large thread in such a short amount of time. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

    However, I think that the amount of people who post to extremes is small in number, and does not need to be countered by moving everyones post count somewhere else. The odd PM from an admin to one of these could be just as good a solution, and probably an easier one at that.
  • Shuvit_ViperShuvit_Viper Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 62Members
    I think this is a very good idea... its in the NS 'no-score' (at least for the marines) setting <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->.
    I really like this idea. I want it. Only i think we should keep the titles (dark queen etc.)...

    just my opinion though.
  • KassingerKassinger Shades of grey Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 229Members, Constellation
    I agree with Shuvit Viper. Who needs post counts anyway except fora which need as many posts as possible.
  • BananBanan Join Date: 2002-02-22 Member: 235Members
    I think the post count thingy is fun, lol, I mean, I agree, it amuses me trying to get better "stats" or whatever you can call it, but it's mostly fun, and if I really do have to post something TOTALLY off topic I'll do it in the off topic forums.. I mean, a good idea would be, yes, to just have the post count in players profile, but anyways, why would YOU care how many posts I have? well, the thing is, you wouldn't, would you? Atleast I don't care how many posts other people have, just let them go on with theirs
  • Shuvit_ViperShuvit_Viper Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 62Members
    yep, but there are people (jedisar <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->) that dont care how many posts other people have, but do care how many posts THEY have. Therefore, i plee for total removal of post count, but keep the titles
  • Spyder_MonkeySpyder_Monkey Vampire-Ninja-Monkey Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 8Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Let me throw in a couple pennies here. Yes, I've seen many a good threads go astray. If you see this happen, try to steer it back in the right direction. We (Moleculor and myself), can always move threads to off-topic if they become too far gone, or if worse comes to worse, lock it. It should never come to that though.

    While random insanity is expected among our many members here, it shouldn't interfere with what these boards were intended to do, provide a way of sending suggestions, ideas, and creative criticism to the development team.
  • BananBanan Join Date: 2002-02-22 Member: 235Members
    But so what if you care how many posts you have you're self, I do, as I already said I think it's fun gathering posts!
  • KassingerKassinger Shades of grey Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 229Members, Constellation
    But while doing it you're coming with lots of nonsense posts. :| If we take away post counts you won't have the same reason to post as much stuff like that, without forcing you to not do it.

    Removing post counts won't force anyone to put more thought in each post, but it will certainly encourage them.
  • Shuvit_ViperShuvit_Viper Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 62Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Banan+Mar. 17 2002,19:42--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Banan @ Mar. 17 2002,19:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->But so what if you care how many posts you have you're self, I do, as I already said I think it's fun gathering posts!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    that is exactly what i mean kessinger. I irritate myself over all the nonsensposts, post-conversations and off-topic posts, just because people want a high post number. Right now it seems like the postcount is a status or something, which is not the goal, people are not more intelligent or something with more posts. So molec or spyder, can u remove the counts?
  • Spyder_MonkeySpyder_Monkey Vampire-Ninja-Monkey Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 8Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    That's not a decision we, as moderators, can make. That ultimately trickles down through Flayra and MonsE. They make all of the administrative decisions for this board.
  • BananBanan Join Date: 2002-02-22 Member: 235Members
    I think it is fun posting posts but I don't post toally meaningless posts... I was just reading through the forums and I saw what you ment, it would be a good idea to remove post count or most preferably to put it in player profile as so many other boards do...
  • Hida_TsuzuaHida_Tsuzua Lamarck&#39;s Heir Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 79Members, NS1 Playtester
    Don't really care about the post counts.

    However post count or not, did you know that after posting you recieve a shot of high inducing chemicals?  That's the reason for all the SPAM out there.

    /me goes high after posting

    The colors!  The colors!  /me faints
  • InfinityInfinity And beyond&#33; Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 50Members
    i dont care about my post count cuz im not posting much, im a gamer, not a forumer, but i stick around just incase somthing cool comes up

    and i hope ive said enough and topic related here...
  • TzarconTzarcon Join Date: 2002-02-28 Member: 259Members
    I don't really post much compared to some other members, but I know many people agree that I tend to post long, intelligent posts occasionaly, and I've helped form many things that are now in NS. I've been here almost since the beginning, and just because my post count is only 220 something doesn't make me any less important than someone higher than me, and anyone lower than me is just as important. I could name many people with posts lower than 50 that have helped mold NS into what it is now.

    But, I still get annoyed when I see people posting one line posts simply to increase their count. I know the post count thing is fun sometimes, but it really starts to get out-of-hand in some occasions. Mabye it is best to move the post count to the profile section. (I Pray MonsE or Flayra read this thread sometime soon)
  • BananBanan Join Date: 2002-02-22 Member: 235Members
    eh, I just got an idea, what if we move the post count to the player profile and start a thread in the off topic forum called:
    3000 POSTS!!!
    And let everyone get their post count as high as they'd want
  • JedisarJedisar Join Date: 2002-03-03 Member: 264Awaiting Authorization
    <!--QuoteBegin--[Shuvit.Viper]+Mar. 17 2002,07:54--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> ([Shuvit.Viper] @ Mar. 17 2002,07:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think this is a very good idea... its in the NS 'no-score' (at least for the marines) setting <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->.
    I really like this idea. I want it. Only i think we should keep the titles (dark queen etc.)...

    just my opinion though.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Viper likes being called the "dark queen" <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->


    But I just find it ironic, you guys don't like post counts, yet you keep posting stuff in here over and over, basically repeating yourselves. Hypocrites. <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
  • InfamousInfamous Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 127Members
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    <!--EDIT|Flayra|Mar. 18 2002,15:26-->
  • MoleculorMoleculor Namer-of-Bob Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 9Members
    Ok. The thread just got insulting and seems to be going nowhere. Sorry.
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