Before I tell you anything about Echoes, here is my opinon on Halo and the like:
Halo=Half-Life>all
Yep, I like shooters and Halo has the best story of any shooter I've ever played (OK, so I read the three books, but the sheer amount of speculation I put in makes the story more complex than you can imagine).
Echoes is going to be a great fun, and will probably keep me entertained for a month or two, but the lack of any replayability and absence of AI is what makes Halo more enjoyable than Prime for me. In fact, I prefer the 2D Metroid games to the Primes because they're simpler and don't seem out of place in the 3D world. Like I said, I don't have anything against Echoes, but November, December, January - Halo 2. After that I'll get into Echoes and Sonic Mega Collection Plus for Xbox.
Anyways, I'm obviously buying Echoes and I gave you a good reason for me liking Halo more. Oh, and Forlorn, it takes skill to beat Halo twelve times on Legendary without losing a single bar of health - I've done it.
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Sep 27 2004, 04:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Sep 27 2004, 04:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it takes skill to beat Halo twelve times on Legendary without losing a single bar of health - I've done it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You...
You have a lot of time on your hands, don't you....
<!--QuoteBegin-Infinitum+Sep 26 2004, 12:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infinitum @ Sep 26 2004, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Sep 27 2004, 04:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Sep 27 2004, 04:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it takes skill to beat Halo twelve times on Legendary without losing a single bar of health - I've done it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You...
You have a lot of time on your hands, don't you.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Less than you'd think; I've had Halo since it came out.
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Sep 26 2004, 12:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Sep 26 2004, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh, and Forlorn, it takes skill to beat Halo twelve times on Legendary without losing a single bar of health - I've done it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good to know you wasted your life on a pointless objective.
Today was a fairly average day for me. That was until I saw your joyous little thread! It is in my humblest opinion that Metroid sucks. That's all. Just plain sucks. I don't need reasoning! In actual fact I enjoy Halo 2, but rather than say so in the Halo 2 appreciation thread I decided to come in here, bad mouth your game and big note mine.
See, I don't really enjoy Buffy The Vampire Slayer. However I don't feel the need to go into the Buffy Appreciation thread and say "Buffy sucks. Series X rulez." that adds nothing to the arguement. Coming in and going "Buffy sucks, for such and such reason" is a much better presentation.
Halo 2 > All.
Well done. I can see you graduating Harvard at the top of your class, is right up there on your priority list. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ingenius. Now heres to hoping he sees it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nice. All I said was Halo 2 > all.
I never said Metroid Prime sucks, and I think you are taking this a wheeee bit too far.
Not only did I not say that, but you are disregarding my right to speak my opinion which breaks the forum laws. But forgetting that for a moment, it is also very unethical. I only wished to give my opinion. If it really bothers you so much that people can give their honest-to-god opinion on anything they want, then perhaps you should consider going to a forum which restricts its users to people who think very highly of Metroid Prime 2.
I have understood that Metroid Prime 2 hasn't even been released yet, and neither has Halo 2. So do you really want to get into whose **** is bigger when you don't even know? I know you like Metroid Prime, but at least wait before you take offense.
And you know technically Halo 2 was mentioned by the thread starter, so I do not think this is way off topic. I think your ego is hurt, and you think insulting me will redeem yourself somehow. Get over it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Sep 26 2004, 05:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Sep 26 2004, 05:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Sep 26 2004, 12:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Sep 26 2004, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh, and Forlorn, it takes skill to beat Halo twelve times on Legendary without losing a single bar of health - I've done it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Good to know you wasted your life on a pointless objective. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How many times have you played CS, or NS, or any other videogame?
<!--QuoteBegin-silent_shadow900+Sep 25 2004, 10:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (silent_shadow900 @ Sep 25 2004, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I rented metroid prime, but there was so much to do that i had to buy it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exact same happened to me. Had to have it.
I am in current possession of the MP2: Echos demo.
Ill tell you, it looks great!, and places great, except I was disappointed that they took out 2 beams, and replaced with Dark and Light beam. They both have ammo :\. Not sure what that forth beam is, but unless its a classic beam selecter <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->, ill probably be disappointed.
New Gamecubes are being bundled with Metroid Prime and a demo of Prime 2, so there's a good number of people who have played it. The demo was short, but definitely clinched the fact that I am buying this game without a doubt.
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Sep 26 2004, 06:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Sep 26 2004, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can't you also get the demo by renewing Nintendo Power or something? I don't remember. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Could be, sounds likely. I got mine for free because I work at Gamestop.
<a href='http://www.nintendo.com/pop_video.vm?url=http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/e2769481-390b-4eb6-94ca-9cac27d1fe87.mov&width=600&height=420' target='_blank'>Metroid Prime 2 Echoes Video From Nintendo.com</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-Hawkeye+Sep 26 2004, 12:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hawkeye @ Sep 26 2004, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nice. All I said was Halo 2 > all.
I never said Metroid Prime sucks, and I think you are taking this a wheeee bit too far.
Not only did I not say that, but you are disregarding my right to speak my opinion which breaks the forum laws. But forgetting that for a moment, it is also very unethical. I only wished to give my opinion. If it really bothers you so much that people can give their honest-to-god opinion on anything they want, then perhaps you should consider going to a forum which restricts its users to people who think very highly of Metroid Prime 2.
I have understood that Metroid Prime 2 hasn't even been released yet, and neither has Halo 2. So do you really want to get into whose **** is bigger when you don't even know? I know you like Metroid Prime, but at least wait before you take offense.
And you know technically Halo 2 was mentioned by the thread starter, so I do not think this is way off topic. I think your ego is hurt, and you think insulting me will redeem yourself somehow. Get over it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My ego isn't so much hurt as I prefer not to disrespect other people's opinions. I think you could have worded your initial statement better. But even bothering to post that in this thread just doesn't make sense, unless you came in with the intention of provoking someone. I mean, clearly, it is a sign of disrespect to do that just as it is to go in from of a group of people talking about something IRL and tell them that something else you do is better.
I mean, what's wrong with having some respect for other people's opinions every once in a while right? Then no arguements even have to be made. Rather than risk an arguement just for the sake of telling people you know of something better.
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Prime's control scheme is an interesting alternative to the one popularized by Halo. The two sticks makes a lot of sense and works well for many games, but I think Nintendo's decision with Prime's control scheme was ultimately a good one.
My roommate and I both had issues with the idea of a strafe-modifier key rather than discrete strafing and turning controls. But the simple fact is that you don't NEED to strafe and turn simultaneously in Prime. And if you do, it's actually quite easy to do so. Over my two and a half playthroughs (currently stuck on Omega Pirate on Hard Mode), I've gotten quite adept at quickly correcting my trajectory with both the turn and strafe controls.
I'm perfectly ok with Prime 2's control scheme being the same as Prime's. I think it worked well for the first and will work equally well for the second. Keep in mind that Metroid games aren't your typical FPS. They're adventure/exploration games. The star of the show isn't the monsters - it's the world. Think of it this way: throughout every Metroid game, you find yourself constantly acquiring powerups and weapons to improve your abilities. Why? To reach new areas. To overcome THE WORLD, not the enemies within it.
I've played a great deal of Metroid Prime, Metroid Fusion, and Zero Mission. Of the three, only Zero Mission was an extremely hard game (along with some parts of Prime - the first time into the Pirate labs, Omega Pirate, Meta Ridley, the approach to Metroid Prime). All of them were exploration games.
If you want a challenging FPS, go for Halo 2. If you want a gorgeous and engaging Metroid game, get Prime 2. And if you're not so closed-minded that you enjoy *both* gaming experiences - and you have the wallet to support it - get both. ______
On a side note, silent shadow commented that Metroid games aren't much for story. I beg to differ, frankly; Prime and Fusion were absolutely steeped in plot. When you first discover metroids in *both* games... when you learn to what extent the Pirates have taken their Phazon research... your interactions with the shipboard AI and X10 in Fusion. I could go on, but all of them are just riveting story elements IMO. The whole premise behind Prime was great: reading pirate documents describing their attempts to thwart "the Hunter" -- YOU; their ongoing logs of your infiltration into their complexes; and through it all, their unflagging and callous experimentation with phazon, their own soldiers, and the Metroids. Brilliant.
I <3 Metroid: Prime... I consider it my favorite of the series.. mainly because I just plain suck at the 2d ones <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I mean, they are good, but I would always just get stuck at a point and be pretty much forced to stop playing... For some reason that never happened with Metroid: Prime.. I guess I just find 3d games to be easier..
As for Echos, I can hardly wait.. Multiplayer M:P should be awesome... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think Coil hit the nail on the head and said exactly what I was trying to say. I prefer fighting the enemy, not the world, but I do love Metroid. And I am definitely buying both, but I'm gonna wait until I'm done with Halo 2 to pick up Echoes. My favorite Metroid game is Fusion, probably because it's also got the toughest enemies and those are the things I like to fight. Then there's the side benefit in Fusion of it having the best Metroid story so far. In the GameSpot review they said the story is actually detrimental to the classic Metroid gameplay because it conveys such a sense of urgency that it might make you move quickly between objectives rather than exploring.
When you're done with the demo mail it to me - I'll pay $5 and shipping. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<!--QuoteBegin-TommyVercetti+Sep 27 2004, 11:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TommyVercetti @ Sep 27 2004, 11:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My favorite Metroid game is Fusion, probably because it's also got the toughest enemies and those are the things I like to fight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, Fusion was crazy hard. I spent an entire week of lunch breaks trying to beat the Gravity Suit boss. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then there's the side benefit in Fusion of it having the best Metroid story so far. In the GameSpot review they said the story is actually detrimental to the classic Metroid gameplay because it conveys such a sense of urgency that it might make you move quickly between objectives rather than exploring. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is so true! My exploration percentage sucked in Fusion, precisely because I felt I *had* to get to such-and-such a place NOW. Still a great game... man, the early encounters with the X10 were *terrifying*.
I like the connectivity elements of Fusion and Prime, like the fact that you can play wearing the Fusion suit in Prime. Wonder what extras Prime 2 will offer.
I loved fusion but I actually felt it was a bit easy and a bit short =o I think my exploration rate was 89% when I completed it but I went back and it's around 97-98% now ^^
The only thing that sorta challenged me was that horrible 'nightmare' boss thingy which had an attack with practically no pattern... flipping hard to avoid a screen filling boss chasing you o.O
I do like the lock-on idea sorta pinched from zelda and when you're wandering the non-lockon is usually good enough but while metroid has always been about exploration (the main reason I love it so) it's always had a large amount of fighting in it including awesome megabaddies and I feel the sorta lockon/non-lockon system kinda falls flat around here. If it'd been as agile as zelda's rather similar but less clunky way of doing it I think it'd be 100% perfect but as it stands I often get into situations where I feel samus has all the agility of a 300 ton tank unlike in the 2d platform games =/
I like the idea, I just think the execution needs some smoothing out... they need to look at zelda a lil methinks and for hecksake samus; TURN FASTER!!! XD
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
IIRC, turn speed is configurable in controls.
Also, the big difference between Wind Waker and Prime is that you play Link in 3rd person. I *love* Wind Waker's control scheme - I love any 3rd-person game where you're not locked behind the characters back (i.e. you have the ability to run across or towards the camera). The Legacy of Kain series, the Pikmin games, Mario Sunshine, and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time are other examples.
Prime, however, has to deal with the fact that Samus is in first person, and her controls are therefore slightly more limited. I like the design choice, frankly; it showcases the world rather than your avatar in it (i.e. Samus). But it does require some movement concessions, and I think Prime did a good job with their control scheme.
It does make me sad to hear that they're sticking with four beam weapons, two of which are now the Light and Dark beams. That leaves the Energy beam and one other choice... wave? ice? plasma? It wouldn't be terribly hard to create a system in which 6 beams were possible, but I can understand if they want to keep it simple. ____
Idea for 6-beam selector using the the Gamecube C-stick: <i>From any currently selected weapon,</i> Up: energy beam Left: Light beam Right: Dark beam Down, Down: wave beam Down, Left: ice beam Down, Right: plasma beam
Basically, the idea is that at any given time, your C stick has access to Energy, Light, Dark, and "other beams". And the so-called other beams are just two taps away.
I never got past the Omega Pirate. I tried a few times, but eventually got irritated with silly collision issues (I'll be locked onto his shoulder and fire a shot into it when he does his shockwave attack, and even though I had a clear line of fire, it'd bounce off like I hit him in the chest). Plus, I wasn't totally sure how to beat him anyway. I knocked him around, he went into the Phazon, I filled him with Flamethrower, he comes back alive and kicks my ****.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Sep 26 2004, 10:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Sep 26 2004, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My ego isn't so much hurt as I prefer not to disrespect other people's opinions. I think you could have worded your initial statement better. But even bothering to post that in this thread just doesn't make sense, unless you came in with the intention of provoking someone. I mean, clearly, it is a sign of disrespect to do that just as it is to go in from of a group of people talking about something IRL and tell them that something else you do is better.
I mean, what's wrong with having some respect for other people's opinions every once in a while right? Then no arguements even have to be made. Rather than risk an arguement just for the sake of telling people you know of something better. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well I never attacked you specifically. I didn't even attack. Maybe you misinterpreted that way, which I suppose is understandable, but you know the truth now, so you have no reason to strike back. I haven't played Metroid Prime 2 or Halo 2, and neither have you, so how about we both give it a rest until we know what the games are like.
<!--QuoteBegin-EEK+Sep 27 2004, 12:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (EEK @ Sep 27 2004, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I never got past the Omega Pirate. I tried a few times, but eventually got irritated with silly collision issues (I'll be locked onto his shoulder and fire a shot into it when he does his shockwave attack, and even though I had a clear line of fire, it'd bounce off like I hit him in the chest). Plus, I wasn't totally sure how to beat him anyway. I knocked him around, he went into the Phazon, I filled him with Flamethrower, he comes back alive and kicks my ****. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He doesn't take that much on Normal - people make him out to be way harder than he really is. If you have a decent amount of energy tanks you can simply disregard the other Pirates as long as you keep moving and dodge their attacks when possible. Also, his attack is very easy to evade. All you have to do is blow off his appendages with four super missiles, then hit him approximately four more times as he phases to the different patches of Phazon. You should be able to kill the Omega Pirate without letting him regenerate once.
Meta Ridley is also overrated on Normal - get about 150 missiles and you can simply spray him with the Wavebuster and he'll drop without much trouble at all. This requires you to use the Power Beam throughout the entire first segment of the fight, as the Plasma Beam will burn his wings off sooner. It doesn't really matter which beam you use - burning his wings off sooner will simply let him come at you with a tiny bit of health once your missiles are out, making him easy to finish with the Plasma Beam.
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Halo=Half-Life>all
Yep, I like shooters and Halo has the best story of any shooter I've ever played (OK, so I read the three books, but the sheer amount of speculation I put in makes the story more complex than you can imagine).
Echoes is going to be a great fun, and will probably keep me entertained for a month or two, but the lack of any replayability and absence of AI is what makes Halo more enjoyable than Prime for me. In fact, I prefer the 2D Metroid games to the Primes because they're simpler and don't seem out of place in the 3D world. Like I said, I don't have anything against Echoes, but November, December, January - Halo 2. After that I'll get into Echoes and Sonic Mega Collection Plus for Xbox.
Anyways, I'm obviously buying Echoes and I gave you a good reason for me liking Halo more. Oh, and Forlorn, it takes skill to beat Halo twelve times on Legendary without losing a single bar of health - I've done it.
You...
You have a lot of time on your hands, don't you....
You...
You have a lot of time on your hands, don't you.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Less than you'd think; I've had Halo since it came out.
Good to know you wasted your life on a pointless objective.
Today was a fairly average day for me. That was until I saw your joyous little thread!
It is in my humblest opinion that Metroid sucks.
That's all. Just plain sucks.
I don't need reasoning! In actual fact I enjoy Halo 2, but rather than say so in the Halo 2 appreciation thread I decided to come in here, bad mouth your game and big note mine.
Did I mention I am currently using the internet?
-Hawkeye<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah thanks for that.
See, I don't really enjoy Buffy The Vampire Slayer. However I don't feel the need to go into the Buffy Appreciation thread and say "Buffy sucks. Series X rulez." that adds nothing to the arguement.
Coming in and going "Buffy sucks, for such and such reason" is a much better presentation.
Halo 2 > All.
Well done. I can see you graduating Harvard at the top of your class, is right up there on your priority list. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ingenius. Now heres to hoping he sees it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nice. All I said was Halo 2 > all.
I never said Metroid Prime sucks, and I think you are taking this a wheeee bit too far.
Not only did I not say that, but you are disregarding my right to speak my opinion which breaks the forum laws. But forgetting that for a moment, it is also very unethical. I only wished to give my opinion. If it really bothers you so much that people can give their honest-to-god opinion on anything they want, then perhaps you should consider going to a forum which restricts its users to people who think very highly of Metroid Prime 2.
I have understood that Metroid Prime 2 hasn't even been released yet, and neither has Halo 2. So do you really want to get into whose **** is bigger when you don't even know? I know you like Metroid Prime, but at least wait before you take offense.
And you know technically Halo 2 was mentioned by the thread starter, so I do not think this is way off topic. I think your ego is hurt, and you think insulting me will redeem yourself somehow. Get over it.
Good to know you wasted your life on a pointless objective. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How many times have you played CS, or NS, or any other videogame?
Exact same happened to me. Had to have it.
I am in current possession of the MP2: Echos demo.
Ill tell you, it looks great!, and places great, except I was disappointed that they took out 2 beams, and replaced with Dark and Light beam. They both have ammo :\. Not sure what that forth beam is, but unless its a classic beam selecter <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->, ill probably be disappointed.
Could be, sounds likely. I got mine for free because I work at Gamestop.
I never said Metroid Prime sucks, and I think you are taking this a wheeee bit too far.
Not only did I not say that, but you are disregarding my right to speak my opinion which breaks the forum laws. But forgetting that for a moment, it is also very unethical. I only wished to give my opinion. If it really bothers you so much that people can give their honest-to-god opinion on anything they want, then perhaps you should consider going to a forum which restricts its users to people who think very highly of Metroid Prime 2.
I have understood that Metroid Prime 2 hasn't even been released yet, and neither has Halo 2. So do you really want to get into whose **** is bigger when you don't even know? I know you like Metroid Prime, but at least wait before you take offense.
And you know technically Halo 2 was mentioned by the thread starter, so I do not think this is way off topic. I think your ego is hurt, and you think insulting me will redeem yourself somehow. Get over it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My ego isn't so much hurt as I prefer not to disrespect other people's opinions. I think you could have worded your initial statement better. But even bothering to post that in this thread just doesn't make sense, unless you came in with the intention of provoking someone. I mean, clearly, it is a sign of disrespect to do that just as it is to go in from of a group of people talking about something IRL and tell them that something else you do is better.
I mean, what's wrong with having some respect for other people's opinions every once in a while right? Then no arguements even have to be made. Rather than risk an arguement just for the sake of telling people you know of something better.
My roommate and I both had issues with the idea of a strafe-modifier key rather than discrete strafing and turning controls. But the simple fact is that you don't NEED to strafe and turn simultaneously in Prime. And if you do, it's actually quite easy to do so. Over my two and a half playthroughs (currently stuck on Omega Pirate on Hard Mode), I've gotten quite adept at quickly correcting my trajectory with both the turn and strafe controls.
I'm perfectly ok with Prime 2's control scheme being the same as Prime's. I think it worked well for the first and will work equally well for the second. Keep in mind that Metroid games aren't your typical FPS. They're adventure/exploration games. The star of the show isn't the monsters - it's the world. Think of it this way: throughout every Metroid game, you find yourself constantly acquiring powerups and weapons to improve your abilities. Why? To reach new areas. To overcome THE WORLD, not the enemies within it.
I've played a great deal of Metroid Prime, Metroid Fusion, and Zero Mission. Of the three, only Zero Mission was an extremely hard game (along with some parts of Prime - the first time into the Pirate labs, Omega Pirate, Meta Ridley, the approach to Metroid Prime). All of them were exploration games.
If you want a challenging FPS, go for Halo 2. If you want a gorgeous and engaging Metroid game, get Prime 2. And if you're not so closed-minded that you enjoy *both* gaming experiences - and you have the wallet to support it - get both.
______
On a side note, silent shadow commented that Metroid games aren't much for story. I beg to differ, frankly; Prime and Fusion were absolutely steeped in plot. When you first discover metroids in *both* games... when you learn to what extent the Pirates have taken their Phazon research... your interactions with the shipboard AI and X10 in Fusion. I could go on, but all of them are just riveting story elements IMO. The whole premise behind Prime was great: reading pirate documents describing their attempts to thwart "the Hunter" -- YOU; their ongoing logs of your infiltration into their complexes; and through it all, their unflagging and callous experimentation with phazon, their own soldiers, and the Metroids. Brilliant.
I mean, they are good, but I would always just get stuck at a point and be pretty much forced to stop playing... For some reason that never happened with Metroid: Prime.. I guess I just find 3d games to be easier..
As for Echos, I can hardly wait.. Multiplayer M:P should be awesome... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So I probably won't buy this.
When you're done with the demo mail it to me - I'll pay $5 and shipping. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yeah, Fusion was crazy hard. I spent an entire week of lunch breaks trying to beat the Gravity Suit boss.
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This is so true! My exploration percentage sucked in Fusion, precisely because I felt I *had* to get to such-and-such a place NOW. Still a great game... man, the early encounters with the X10 were *terrifying*.
I like the connectivity elements of Fusion and Prime, like the fact that you can play wearing the Fusion suit in Prime. Wonder what extras Prime 2 will offer.
I think my exploration rate was 89% when I completed it but I went back and it's around 97-98% now ^^
The only thing that sorta challenged me was that horrible 'nightmare' boss thingy which had an attack with practically no pattern... flipping hard to avoid a screen filling boss chasing you o.O
I do like the lock-on idea sorta pinched from zelda and when you're wandering the non-lockon is usually good enough but while metroid has always been about exploration (the main reason I love it so) it's always had a large amount of fighting in it including awesome megabaddies and I feel the sorta lockon/non-lockon system kinda falls flat around here. If it'd been as agile as zelda's rather similar but less clunky way of doing it I think it'd be 100% perfect but as it stands I often get into situations where I feel samus has all the agility of a 300 ton tank unlike in the 2d platform games =/
I like the idea, I just think the execution needs some smoothing out... they need to look at zelda a lil methinks and for hecksake samus; TURN FASTER!!! XD
Also, the big difference between Wind Waker and Prime is that you play Link in 3rd person. I *love* Wind Waker's control scheme - I love any 3rd-person game where you're not locked behind the characters back (i.e. you have the ability to run across or towards the camera). The Legacy of Kain series, the Pikmin games, Mario Sunshine, and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time are other examples.
Prime, however, has to deal with the fact that Samus is in first person, and her controls are therefore slightly more limited. I like the design choice, frankly; it showcases the world rather than your avatar in it (i.e. Samus). But it does require some movement concessions, and I think Prime did a good job with their control scheme.
It does make me sad to hear that they're sticking with four beam weapons, two of which are now the Light and Dark beams. That leaves the Energy beam and one other choice... wave? ice? plasma? It wouldn't be terribly hard to create a system in which 6 beams were possible, but I can understand if they want to keep it simple.
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Idea for 6-beam selector using the the Gamecube C-stick:
<i>From any currently selected weapon,</i>
Up: energy beam
Left: Light beam
Right: Dark beam
Down, Down: wave beam
Down, Left: ice beam
Down, Right: plasma beam
Basically, the idea is that at any given time, your C stick has access to Energy, Light, Dark, and "other beams". And the so-called other beams are just two taps away.
I mean, what's wrong with having some respect for other people's opinions every once in a while right? Then no arguements even have to be made. Rather than risk an arguement just for the sake of telling people you know of something better. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well I never attacked you specifically. I didn't even attack. Maybe you misinterpreted that way, which I suppose is understandable, but you know the truth now, so you have no reason to strike back. I haven't played Metroid Prime 2 or Halo 2, and neither have you, so how about we both give it a rest until we know what the games are like.
He doesn't take that much on Normal - people make him out to be way harder than he really is. If you have a decent amount of energy tanks you can simply disregard the other Pirates as long as you keep moving and dodge their attacks when possible. Also, his attack is very easy to evade. All you have to do is blow off his appendages with four super missiles, then hit him approximately four more times as he phases to the different patches of Phazon. You should be able to kill the Omega Pirate without letting him regenerate once.
Meta Ridley is also overrated on Normal - get about 150 missiles and you can simply spray him with the Wavebuster and he'll drop without much trouble at all. This requires you to use the Power Beam throughout the entire first segment of the fight, as the Plasma Beam will burn his wings off sooner. It doesn't really matter which beam you use - burning his wings off sooner will simply let him come at you with a tiny bit of health once your missiles are out, making him easy to finish with the Plasma Beam.