Combat Spawn System
Mattzoball
Join Date: 2003-10-27 Member: 22051Members
Join Date: 2003-10-27 Member: 22051Members
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In that case, CS's spawn system knocks the socks off this one. Maybe we should bring round spawn over to NS mode.
cause the reigning opinion here is: <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> CS
In that case, CS's spawn system knocks the socks off this one. Maybe we should bring round spawn over to NS mode. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh yes, lets punish people for being the only ones with enough balls to go out there, expecting backup, but instead their idiot teammates just sit.
...I think the current way is great, though I'd like to see Marik's idea for classic respawn be put into combat- like, losing XP for faster respawn <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
this means it also suck, but who cares, its <span style='color:white'>Flaming 50% of our players - bad idea!</span>
I haven't seen a game that short yet in b5, except for the occasional fluke. I have played in 4v4 games, 6v6 games, and 10v10 games. I think it's just fine.
So, it takes 5 seconds to spawn if you die alone, 7 if another person dies after you; and if you had a 15 person team all die at once, it would take 15 seconds.
As for the current system, I'm not a big fan of it. I really don't like waiting for a wave to spawn so that I can start my spawn.
But really long game times just get so stagnant even with extra level plug-ins. And that's the server admins fault for setting those really high time limits.
I've also noticed that the gameplay is much improved. Aliens want their spawn to be alien-friendly so they work very hard to keep marines out of there. JP's are swarmed and brought down by 50 % of the team while the other 50% work on holding the other marines back.
It's a lot of fun right now, a few minor things I'd personally put in, but it's really nice right now.
And I'm seeing very close to 50-50 in terms of which team wins.
So for that regard, maybe there should be a form of punishment for marines who stay near their CC for too long. They ARE the Attacking team, after all.
So for that regard, maybe there should be a form of punishment for marines who stay near their CC for too long. They ARE the Attacking team, after all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or maybe servers shouldn't use a time limit of 40 minutes. There are some servers that turn off the time limit completely. Maybe the server option should be removed for a brief build to see what happens.
On regular combat servers with 10-15 minutes time limit, there is a punishment. If the marines camp their base, they are punished by losing the game. Some marines might hold back for 30 seconds to see if any dumb aliens try to run at them down narrow corridors for easy kills, that would be the aliens fault. Patience and intelligence is a key part of NS.
At least, that's the impression I get sitting in the spawn queue for upwards of a minute.
On regular combat servers with 10-15 minutes time limit, there is a punishment. If the marines camp their base, they are punished by losing the game. Some marines might hold back for 30 seconds to see if any dumb aliens try to run at them down narrow corridors for easy kills, that would be the aliens fault. Patience and intelligence is a key part of NS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are confusing NS with Combat. As much as you'd like to think that Combat is NS as NS was intended to be, you are mistaken. It is merely a bastardization of NS. Patience and intelligence are virtues required in ns_ gameplay, but Combat does not have those same requirements.
I don't think that 10 mins is long enough 15 minutes slightly to short however 20 mins at times is to long but most of the time is just right any longer and its just as mentioned a ha tech rush or jp.
The aliens have time to get what they want and the marines have time to get what they want.
*breathe*
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but patience is the most important part of the first couple minutes of Combat for aliens. At that point they have no upgrades or evolutions and the only way for them to get exp is to ambush. If all the skulks rush marine spawn, they will be mowed down by the marines, thus giving marines a lot of free early exp. That's a simple fact of the game. Maybe the aliens will spawn back in fast enough to not get spawncamped, maybe not, but either way they probably lost themselves the game already. And if they start charging marines who are closer to the hive and getting mowed down, then the marines WILL move in and start spawncamping. That's probably why people keep complaining about the spawn system and the re-evolving; if you all die at once and the marines get in, it's game over. It's better to let them into the hive room and ambush them than rush out the front door into their bullets. No matter how much rhetoric you recite about Combat being fast-paced, the fact remains that aliens who are impatient will lose.
Marines that camp are doing absolutely nothing but running down the clock <i>unless</i> they get the aliens to attack them. Charging them is just playing into their hands. Too many alien players like to charge head-on and try to get a lucky kill without thinking about the consequences.
That would be the same in a CS map where the Ts have to guard the hostages and plant a bomb, and if they don't do eaither in X time, they lose.