The Debate Last Night: Redone.
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I thought Kerry brought out alot of good points to lead his cause and word. Bush tried to keep his ground and only ended up getting ran circles around by Kerry. I thought Bush seemed uninformed about his OWN opinions and facts. Besides, seems like Kerry held back and COULD have said alot of memerable things, but acted mature and held it in. I was surprised Bush seemed so dazed and out of words. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Good debate, can't wait for Friday.
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I thought Kerry brought out alot of good points to lead his cause and word. Bush tried to keep his ground and only ended up getting ran circles around by Kerry. I thought Bush seemed uninformed about his OWN opinions and facts. Besides, seems like Kerry held back and COULD have said alot of memerable things, but acted mature and held it in. I was surprised Bush seemed so dazed and out of words. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Good debate, can't wait for Friday.
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Uhm, no.
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Yes, you mean nothing in these debates, just as I have no place in a debate about British Parties or Australian Parties.
This thread found in the FA OTF summed it up nicely.
<a href='http://forums.firearmsmod.com/showthread.php?t=79080' target='_blank'>http://forums.firearmsmod.com/showthread.php?t=79080</a>
NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR POLITICS. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now that that's that, obviously both parties made up or stretched truths, but even still, it's very obvious that Kerry won. Debating is his strong point, whereas Bush's is ...uhh... I'll get back to you on that.
Bush didn't know what to say half the time, and its very obvious that impomptu gets him into trouble. Both parties stuck to the general same attacks. Kerry's was "I fought for Vietnam blah blah." and Bush's was "Kerry's a flip-flopper!!11omgWTHh4x!"
I predict Kerry will win all the debates, but that it will have little to no effect on the presidentual election. Bush has a pretty good lead, too. I don't remember, but didn't Al Gore win most if not all the debates in election 2000? And look what happened. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
2nded
Ironic how the treatment of this thread *exactly* reflects how americans seem to work their politics. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
"It's all about us..."
(This is not meant to be racist in any major way, but you have to admit, american politics are a little messed up. If only Arnie was a born US citizen. "Terminator Makes Pressident!" <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
Alright, alright, everyone but cam0.o can join in. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
true, and considering thatthe rest of the world is perhaps the largest deciding point in the elections, your restriction is completely retarded, n1ramage.
Yes yes quite. And when terrorists take a dump, the world pretends America was the arse. Interesting analogy there _creep_, and I certainly hope your not European, because America is famous for wiping your collective arses, first from Nazi's, and then from Communists. Both of which would have had dramatic (negative) impacts on the entire world - but hey, they're both gone now, so lets the whine about the hand that protected us.
Bush seemed very shaky to me (most proberbly due to his lack of social / debating skills and intelligence) but kerry just didn't seem to take advantage of what is clearly an opportunity to tear bush apart. Kerry just lacks the charisma that americans find so important in a president. You gotta give bush credit for going such a long time without saying something incredibly stupid.
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Thats funny, since when is the war illegal. Last time I checked, there was a cease fire before we went to war. Sadam was continually breaking this cease fire by shooting AA Missles at our planes patroling the no-fly-zone. "But you didnt have the UN " blah blah blah blah the UN has degrades into a steaming pile of crap.
As for the implied rules. Yes the election might have effects on everyone, but not everyone votes on the election. I believe he started the thread to get an idea on how those who are actually going to vote feel.
Each canidate had thier times to shine in the debate. They both had their failings. They both dodged their questions. Most of the debate seemed to have Kerry on the attack and bush on the defense. I see this as a failing of the moderator, he never seemed to really take charge and take control of the debate. In short, you know all those stupid adverts you see and hear all the time; this was another one. Maybe the next debate will be interesting.
And I for one want to travel outside America sometime in my lifetime but everyone hates us; Bush doesn't care about that. I don't know if I even wanna travel in Europe these days, let alone China, Africa or even South America.
Yeah, cause we all know that WW2 was a legal war. We all know that the french invasion of the Central African Empire and overthrew the disgusting regime there was legal. We all know that Vietnam's invasion of cambodia to end the slaughter by Pol Pot was legal. Same for Tanzania's invasion of Uganda to end Idi Amin.
Oh wait, they were all without any international body approval. In WW2's case, the international body collapsed, in every other scenario it was under the UN. All 100% illegal. You wish to criticise those humanitarian operations as well?
World peace does not depend on this election. World peace is a myth, and a dangerous one at that. It implies that in the absence of wars started by Western powers, that the world naturally descends into a state of peace and happiness. Which is A grade BS. Explain to me how Bush is responsible for the massacre in Sudan? It has NOTHING to do with the West, but killing and bloodshed are run of the mill. Brutal, totalitarian dictatorships exist. They wont go away if you vote Kerry. You're request for world peace is merely the request that the oppressed go back to dying quietly on page 9 instead of 1, so as to not challenge your conscience.
As long as you don't mind Marine, I think I have found a sig worthy quote. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit:...The forums however seem to mind apparently the little CM icon, the Bush pic, and that quote (without tags) is far too large for this forum to handle and could possible tear apart the fabric of time and space. I'll hold on to this till after the election.
MARINE01: AMERICA OWNS JOO
EUROPE: SUYF
EDIT: Darn typo
Nice way to put it. I would also like to remind Marine01 that we also wiped the world of most Native Americans. As for communists, sure, but we also wiped hundreds here at home in good old "witch hunts" and as for the Soviet Union it was just a matter of time before it fell anyways. That'll teach us Amercian citizens to be sympathetic towards human life. As for Nazi's hey sure we wiped them, but only after we were attacked by the Japenese and after we helped them wipe jewish germans away by turning their boats away for our shores. At the time no where in the world by coast line wanted to accept them, especially us, so they ended up relanding in Germany and soon enough were recaptured and most killed. Several instances off-hand I know of that were turned away happened specifically near New York coast. So yes American Governmnet pwns europe, pwns asia, pwns japan and even pwns its own citizens. Good old government what would we do without you and your frivilous killings.
Yeah, Kerry kicked butt. Anyone notice when Kerry was talking, Bush kinda started staring off into the audience with his head cocked to the side, then started scribbling down something or other?
One might almost wonder if he had an earpiece to Cheney. After all, someone has to tell the monkey what to say. Even if they foul it up.
Personally, I'd have to at least somewhat agree. It's up to the citizens of a given nation to choose their leader.
Unfortunately... and funnily enough, Diebold ended up making substantial campaign contributions to the Bush camp. And Diebold makes the voting machines. And the results of the 2004 election (as miscounted) were well over a trillion to one odds.
Perhaps the US *should* have another nation at least monitoring the voting process.
Where on Earth would we find an impartial nation?
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Well, that's easy to answer....you wouldn't be able to.
Nice way to put it. I would also like to remind Marine01 that we also wiped the world of most Native Americans. As for communists, sure, but we also wiped hundreds here at home in good old "witch hunts" and as for the Soviet Union it was just a matter of time before it fell anyways. That'll teach us Amercian citizens to be sympathetic towards human life. As for Nazi's hey sure we wiped them, but only after we were attacked by the Japenese and after we helped them wipe jewish germans away by turning their boats away for our shores. At the time no where in the world by coast line wanted to accept them, especially us, so they ended up relanding in Germany and soon enough were recaptured and most killed. Several instances off-hand I know of that were turned away happened specifically near New York coast. So yes American Governmnet pwns europe, pwns asia, pwns japan and even pwns its own citizens. Good old government what would we do without you and your frivilous killings. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bless you Orwell, for putting it far better than I could ever have done:
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You could write volumes on the evil committed by Western nations throughout history, the same can be said on any nation that ever weilded real power. I dont see your point - are you saying that because the US has done bad things before, it shouldnt take the stick to Nazi's and Communists? There are several hundred million people who beg to differ.
I am also amused to see our liberal posters somehow managing to slip past the whole illegal wars go on all the time, why pick on the US question. Where forth art thou, oh world peace advocate?
I'm tired of hearing how "complicated" and "intricate" matters in the world are. I get especially angry when the same people telling me this always, ALWAYS then say "so its obvious that the US is evil/bad/threat to world peace". What happened to complicated and "not black and white" huh? Let me give you some black and white. Rwanda - evil tin pot war lords massacre 900,000+ people. The West, with overwhelming military technology, firepower and commercial clout, sit back and let this happen. Show me the complication, show me the delicacies that needed to be comprehended. We have the money, we have the power - and we do nothing. For shame. Tell me where the protesters where? Where was the care for human life that poured out over Iraq? Where was the universal slamming of the US president for allowing this travesty, where was the whining about the impotent UN? Where was the call to try Koffi Annan for war crimes (do not forget, this man might as well have killed every one of those Rwandans with his bare hands,<a href='http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/jan/04012804.html' target='_blank'>that murdering swine</a>) Annan has the blood of nearly 1 million on his hands, Bush would need 2 more terms to catch up at least, but at least he'd get the Nobel Peace prize like Annan. Did the hippies of the world merely not watch the news, or was there a national weed shortage and they were all at home growing their own?
**** your complications - the oppressed of this world do not stop dying because the diplomats are measuring national **** size. I hate to say it, but I'm convinced you guys dont care about these people, I'm convinced that all you care about is your nation and your nations soldiers, whilst hiding behind the "peace rules okay" placard and claiming the moral high ground.
Talesin, please, we've already been over the alleged illegal "No congressional approval" before, and shredded it. If you'd like me to take a stick to it again, just ask.
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The truth, it burns.
I sure don't see anything wrong with liberating the oppressed peoples of Iraq. But hey, Europe knows more about peace than us silly Americans do. It's not like your history doesn't completely revolve around war, and America had to step in on the last two and save your **** from anhilating each other.
Oh, wait a sec....
2) The purported goal of this thread (to weed out all those ineligible to vote in the coming election) is a little too unfair to the spirit of open discourse that the Discussions forum is meant to offer. There's no reason outsiders/non-voters can't offer their opinions, though I'd be interested to know the age/nationality/voting status of responders as well.
I'm locking this thread for the above reasons. I'd also like to point out that the other debate thread is dangerously close to being locked, too.
Stay on topic. Respect your fellow posters. Make each post a useful contribution to the discussion.
If you can't follow those rules, the thread - and your future here in Discussions - will be short-lived indeed.