I Think The Personal Resources Is Bad

foolfool Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12447Members
<div class="IPBDescription">I may be late, but its the truth</div> I think the old shared resources for aliens was much much better and more strategy/skill oriented rather the new personal resources. It emphasized 1 skilled gorge and a team of skilled killers to protect you, it took good judgement on when to morph to something big, it affected the whole team.

I think now its too easy to be gorge, build things, and basically play as aliens. I think over the course of the new upgrades the game made a move to be more noob friendly; and in that move garner a larger community. However, that was done at the cost of more skill based play.

(so how long ago was this done anyway?)

Comments

  • ByekaByeka Name changed from Freak83 Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
    Changed at the end of 1.04 I believe.

    And I agree.
  • rennexrennex Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2688Members
    Thinking something does not make it a "truth", only an opinion.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    While it is very easy to contribute to the alien team, the game generally rests on the skill of a single alien player. The early fade has to be good enough to slow marine expansion, while at the same time not dying. Also, the 1.04 system promoted having a single gorge, which was never intended. While many people like the single gorge system, it probably isn't coming back.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-rennex+Oct 6 2004, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rennex @ Oct 6 2004, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thinking something does not make it a "truth", only an opinion. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good point, but at <i>least</i> contribute to the thread. (other than trying to smack the thread starter for word usage <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> )

    Personally I wouldn't mind removing RFK altogether. It's my #1 suggestion to remove it from marines & gorges, at least in ns_ maps. Rambo and marine turtles weren't intended either.
  • God_KillerGod_Killer Join Date: 2004-02-16 Member: 26592Members
    I like RFK, but over 100 res it should be divided in the team...

    about the res system,

    too many noobs would ruin everything in pubs if res wasnt personal.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I like RFK, but over 100 res it should be divided in the team...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Once you have 100 res, all res that you get (from rt's and rfk) goes to the rest of the team.
  • mirrodinmirrodin Join Date: 2004-06-29 Member: 29621Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-[QcBs]God Killer+Oct 6 2004, 05:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([QcBs]God Killer @ Oct 6 2004, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> too many noobs would ruin everything in pubs if res wasnt personal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    pubs = even worse, if this happens. I mean pub all the time and it's okay. (Unless Noob fade or a res **** comes along). But team resources would shoot the aliens in the foot before the game began.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-[QcBs]God Killer+Oct 6 2004, 05:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([QcBs]God Killer @ Oct 6 2004, 05:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> too many noobs would ruin everything in pubs if res wasnt personal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Other way around. People would <i>only</i> rambo if RTs contributed very little or none to the res.
  • CypherCypher Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14579Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 6 2004, 06:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 6 2004, 06:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-[QcBs+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([QcBs)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->God Killer,Oct 6 2004, 05:31 PM] too many noobs would ruin everything in pubs if res wasnt personal. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Other way around. People would <i>only</i> rambo if RTs contributed very little or none to the res. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    in other words... you have no idea what he just said

    "if res wasnt personal..." meaning if RTs were the big contributors for res, rather than kills
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    RTs IMO should be the only resource way for rines, and they should be the more powerful way of resources for aliens: AKA, res node gives 3 res to everyone(each), a kill NO MATTER WHAT is only 1 res.

    And personally, I disagree. This makes the aliens that much different from the marines- very individualistic, very stylistic at the same time though. What I've noticed, is instead of the forced teamwork of before, now for aliens its more of a alien swarm, for real.
  • AhnteisAhnteis teh Bob Join Date: 2002-10-02 Member: 1405Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Aliens never had shared res. Gorges just got a larger hunk of the resources. You only had 1 gorge because if you had too many, it took too long to get the 2nd hive. (Although 2 gorges in some games actually worked out faster since you could additional RTs faster.)
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+Oct 6 2004, 05:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Oct 6 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I like RFK, but over 100 res it should be divided in the team...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Once you have 100 res, all res that you get (from rt's and rfk) goes to the rest of the team. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Negative, all additional rfk is lost once you hit 100 res. Resources from rts are redistributed however.

    And I agree that with the recent influx of new players, having a shared resource pool for aliens would spell death more often than not for any pub. One player would go gorge, think he had like 300 res, and procede to put up 300 res worth of ocs. Either that or one player would onos, die, onos, die, etc. Not a good system <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> . It's different with the marines because the commander is in charge of all the res, and you know exactly who to blame if res is wasted, and you can stop him if necessary by ejecting. You can't stop someone from building structures or going lerk, fade, or onos, so res can be easily wasted.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Oct 6 2004, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Oct 6 2004, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> RTs IMO should be the only resource way for rines, and they should be the more powerful way of resources for aliens: AKA, res node gives 3 res to everyone(each), a kill NO MATTER WHAT is only 1 res.

    And personally, I disagree. This makes the aliens that much different from the marines- very individualistic, very stylistic at the same time though. What I've noticed, is instead of the forced teamwork of before, now for aliens its more of a alien swarm, for real. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What the good looking girl said. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 6 2004, 07:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 6 2004, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Oct 6 2004, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Oct 6 2004, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> RTs IMO should be the only resource way for rines, and they should be the more powerful way of resources for aliens: AKA, res node gives 3 res to everyone(each), a kill NO MATTER WHAT is only 1 res.

    And personally, I disagree. This makes the aliens that much different from the marines- very individualistic, very stylistic at the same time though. What I've noticed, is instead of the forced teamwork of before, now for aliens its more of a alien swarm, for real. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What the good looking girl said. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know not an emoticon to properly display my reaction to this statement.


    I ate a pork penguin, delicious be thy kind king kin.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Oct 6 2004, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Oct 6 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I ate a pork penguin, delicious be thy kind king kin. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well I have no clue what she looks like. I was going by the avatar & sig.

    She's fat?
  • foolfool Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12447Members
    when it was different before, pubbers were actually smart enough to not go gorge if we had one, people caught on.
  • ChurchChurch Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation
    *shrugs* ack in 1.0x era arguable more people were newbies, and we still did fine. We just made sure to tell everyone that if he/she is new, DON'T go gorge and ask questions first. IT worked fine.

    Personally, I do think RFK promotes ramboing. Since when has any traditional RTS implemented anything like RFK? Warcraft3 doesn't count because it sucks.

    We need to make resources towers THE most important stuff in the game, next to the hives and the comm chair and IPs. Boost up the res that the res towers give, and then remove RFK from both sides. Now, it's more strategy (how much should I expand? will I able to keep tose nodes? Should I spend resources attacking that area? will I waste more resources attacking it than I'm costing the enemy?) because simply having a great killer on your team isn't going to help research any faster or getting that fade any faster.
  • mirrodinmirrodin Join Date: 2004-06-29 Member: 29621Members
    RFK also promotes camping. Meh, it doesn't make sense story wise either. We are going off-topic.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 6 2004, 04:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 6 2004, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Oct 6 2004, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Oct 6 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I ate a pork penguin, delicious be thy kind king kin. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well I have no clue what she looks like. I was going by the avatar & sig.

    She's fat? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    cough quaunaut is a guy.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Oct 6 2004, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Oct 6 2004, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 6 2004, 04:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 6 2004, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Oct 6 2004, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Oct 6 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I ate a pork penguin, delicious be thy kind king kin. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well I have no clue what she looks like. I was going by the avatar & sig.

    She's fat? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    cough quaunaut is a guy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh stop lying Pjofsky, and get your hand off of my breast.
  • ModChaosControlModChaosControl HiveMind NS bot creator Join Date: 2004-03-31 Member: 27613Members
    But, the shared alien resource system would create dramatic team arguments IE:
    the aliens have 75 res.

    Player1: "I'm going to 0nos"
    Player2: "No, dont, im getting a hive"
    Player1: "No, im onosing!"
    Player2: "No, we need another hive j00 st|_|p1d n00b"
    Player1: "<censor> you!"

    ... Some time later ....

    Admin: "You're both banned"
  • foolfool Join Date: 2003-01-18 Member: 12447Members
    you wouldnt have 75 res... max should revert 32, then 60, then 100 for hives...
  • ModChaosControlModChaosControl HiveMind NS bot creator Join Date: 2004-03-31 Member: 27613Members
    just an example.. same thing would happen though..
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Oct 6 2004, 10:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Oct 6 2004, 10:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-pjofsky+Oct 6 2004, 08:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pjofsky @ Oct 6 2004, 08:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-x5+Oct 6 2004, 04:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (x5 @ Oct 6 2004, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-5kyh16h91+Oct 6 2004, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (5kyh16h91 @ Oct 6 2004, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I ate a pork penguin, delicious be thy kind king kin. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well I have no clue what she looks like. I was going by the avatar & sig.

    She's fat? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    cough quaunaut is a guy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh stop lying Pjofsky, and get your hand off of my breast. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sooo... are you <span style='color:red'>male</span> -or-<span style='color:green'> female</span>?

    Like I'm male... I think [SA] Katie Kab0om is female... Most of the people on this forum are male... Girl gammers rock... yeah...
  • Axel_StoneAxel_Stone Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18993Members, Constellation
    OMG cummon guys, just someone just go ahead and say it you closet aol'ers.
    I'm waiting for a <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->a/s/l<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Axel Stone+Oct 7 2004, 10:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Axel Stone @ Oct 7 2004, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG cummon guys, just someone just go ahead and say it you closet aol'ers.
    I'm waiting for a <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->a/s/l<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude those last couple of posts you made... What the hell are you talking about? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Man I don't know what it is you are smoking but I want some.

    I don't think anyone is a closet AOl'er. Heck many of I know use IRC and Firefox not AOL-of-teh-hax-made-easy software. (but then Kazaa suprased AOL in security laxness by making legal hackware, if a person has Kazaa installed and is online you can hack their computer at will; aka parasitic computing)

    Anyways we're totally off topic now.
  • Axel_StoneAxel_Stone Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18993Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    Yeah its way off topic, I guess I shoulda just said that and made a coment on topic rather than make fun of people desiring to hit on Quaunaut. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <span style='color:red'>***Locked.***</span>

    We're on the internet, folks. Around here, gender is optional, so don't make a fuss in perfectly good threads about it.
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