Spike's

shadow_of_death · October 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">lerk's spike</div> why did they removes the lerk's spikecannon from the game? i think it's pretty cool

XCan · October 2004

They had a vote, at that time many users didn't even knew what its potential was durin the 1.xx days so they voted it off the game.

Sizer · October 2004

<span style='color:red'>*NUKED.* Inappropriate and off-topic comment. -Talesin</span>

Rapier7 · October 2004

If spikes shot 3 a second and did 20 damage each, I'd switch bite for spikes any day of the week.

Sky · October 2004

Hitscan weapon that did a fairly good amount of damage, high rate of fire, unlimited range, on the most maneuverable alien? Doesn't really fit with the rest of the game imo <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />. Lerks shouldn't be able to mow down entire squads of marines with spores + spikes.

AlienCow · October 2004

Spikes were excellent. You could sit back and spike, spore etc without doing anything - a real support class. Now its close combat as well.

Alkiller · October 2004

The NS devs were more looking for aliens to be close range fighters and marines to be long distance fighters, so, spikes didn't more or less fit the alien motif.

Church · October 2004

I want spores to be removed and replaced with spikes. Spikes should have unlimited range, and do 10 damage a hit, with a possible reduction in damage against HAs.

TD848 · October 2004

actually, back in the day, I used to own HA's with spikes. Just sit at a distance from a couple HAs and spike them while they frantically weld each other.

At a decent distance with Regen and a safe spot to fall back to, spikes could take out a lot! Spikes were almost too powerful at times, but lots of fun.

Church · October 2004

It was fun. It was definitely too powerful. That's why I suggested my damage values.

Rue · October 2004

sv_cheats 1
give weapon_spikegun
sv_cheats 0

and you will have the spike gun back <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

God_Killer · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> sv_cheats 1
give weapon_spikegun
sv_cheats 0

and you will have the spike gun back </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Hum...it works? I'll test.

Spike were usefull vs electrified rt and turret farming, and could actually stand up vs HA's in classic.

Now, nothing can really stand up againts a group of ha's exept the onos.

TD848 · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rue @ Oct 10 2004, 11:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> sv_cheats 1
give weapon_spikegun
sv_cheats 0

and you will have the spike gun back <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 

you can't turn cheats on without server admin
also as soon as you die you don't have it anymore

it's funner to do this as a skulk

sv_cheats 1
give weapon_devour

or

invul
then run around xenociding non stop....you never die

im_lost · October 2004

What's really annoying is servers that have bite and spikes on the weapon1 slot. Every time you want bite or spikes, you have to get to the correct one, then click the mouse button to select it.

While I liked having spikes, it would make the lerk way too powerful early game. Remember its other use, breaking hive lockdowns while sitting in a vent spiking.

cookman · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([QcBs]God Killer @ Oct 10 2004, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Now, nothing can really stand up againts a group of ha's exept the onos.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I think you mean a couple.

semipsychotic · October 2004

Spores are superior to spikes other than taking out HAs and structures. And it's stupid to be able to take out marine outposts by perching there for a few minutes anyway.

a_civilian · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XCan @ Oct 10 2004, 10:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> They had a vote, at that time many users didn't even knew what its potential was durin the 1.xx days so they voted it off the game.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Actually, people voted to keep spikes and spores but remove bite. That was for 1.1/2.0. It wasn't until 3.0 that spikes were replaced with bite.

Aaron · October 2004

I, and others, have been lobbying for a compromise for a long time. Something like: when you are in-flight use bite, when you are touching a floor or wall use spikes. Or maybe some other key combination or qualifier. Maybe: if you have not moved for X seconds, then switch to spike...

Ever since spikes went away there really hasn't been any alien i've been good at, or enjoy playing, and lack of any long range projectile attack makes aliens really homogenous, IMHO.

I guess I'll take this opportunity to annoint myself founder of the lerk spike fan club <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

tom · October 2004

My server uses the lerk spike plugin. Feel free to go there if you want.

shadow_of_death · October 2004

ok i get it but i think if they make spike less powerfull they may put it back in game

im_lost · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tom @ Oct 10 2004, 11:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> My server uses the lerk spike plugin. Feel free to go there if you want.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I'm guessing that it has bite and spikes as the slot1 weapon, making it a pain to use either weapon. Bite-only is fine. Spikes-only is fine. Bite+spikes in one slot is bad.

tom · October 2004

There both in same weapon slot. That doesn't bother me hitting the slot 1 key twice for bite.

NolSinkler · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tom @ Oct 10 2004, 03:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> There both in same weapon slot. That doesn't bother me hitting the slot 1 key twice for bite.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
It bothers me...

I personally like the spike plugin with spikes in slot 2. Then I own as lerk.

Quaunaut · October 2004

I like it the way it is. You could either be combat lerk, or support lerk, depending on your choice of movement upgrade, and/or skill.

WarningForever · October 2004

Yea, when they're both in slot one, I get kind of angry.

Sometimes I'll fly down and bite a rine's leg, only to discover that I'm using spikes, damn. Or I'll sit in a vent and bite the air for a few seconds before I change the weapon.

The same slot thing sucks.

Alkiller · October 2004

I remember before 3.0 we were reading the change log and me and my buddies were saying "OMG! Lerk bite is back! Oh this is gonna rock!" Now we're all like "Man, I wish we still had spikes! Those were... tubular."

I find it amusing <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

im_lost · October 2004

I wanted a lerk with bite and spikes. With spikes, spores are not really needed. And my problem with having bite and spikes on the same slot is that you have to click the mouse button, along with pressing the number.

Nadagast · October 2004

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|ds|meatshield @ Oct 10 2004, 08:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I want spores to be removed and replaced with spikes. Spikes should have unlimited range, and do 10 damage a hit, with a possible reduction in damage against HAs. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Are you kidding? Sup aliens underpowered even more. Nobody would use a lerk in clan games if it didn't have spore, at least not until 2 hives.

Gas is AMAZINGLY GOOD. It is one of, if not the best hive 1 alien weapon.

Edit: Doesn't anyone else hate how awhile after something is removed, everyone wants it back just like the 'good old days'?
I remember when Bite was being re-added, everyone was like "YES JUST LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS YIPPEE!!". Now it's like "We want spike, just like the good semi-old days!". Nostalgia is retarded.

TOmekki · October 2004

yup ^^

Church · October 2004

Fine, then remove bite instead and keep spores while putting spikes back in or something. I actually don't notice too many early lerks in the servers I play on, but then, those servers are usually 10v10, so the balanace is probably a bit different than 6v6.

TheAdj · October 2004

I don't understand WHY people think spike is so much better than any other lerk weapon. Bite + the current flight model is a powerful weapon in itself, and spikes would require you to fly in a straight line to get a constant hit on someone or sit still. Wow, a lerk will live real fast doing that. Spores are ridiculously powerful, an area affect weapon at hive1 that removes armor and health at a good rate. Spikes don't even touch that power. Umbra saves more hives than any other single ability combined, spikes can't touch that either. Unless they were super powered, even primal scream beats them. The only way I would consider spikes being useful on a lerk is if the current 4 weapon system was broken and spikes were added as an additional weapon to one of the slots

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