Ns Aliens

NurotNurot Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23932Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">A debate</div> Somoeone I know and I were debating, NS Aliens: warm blooded or cold blooded?

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  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    or no blooded. Who is to say that the green stuff splattering the walls is blood.
  • tuemmykidstuemmykids Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20884Members
    I'd say warm. I can't imagine a cute gorge having cold blood <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    I'd say warm blooded, as they need heat and moisture to infest an area.

    EDIT:

    Also just realised bacterium growth slows down in the cold, so I'd point even more towards the "warm blooded" sign.
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    id say no blooded i consider the aliens more of a bacteria/fungus
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Oct 30 2004, 09:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Oct 30 2004, 09:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> id say no blooded i consider the aliens more of a bacteria/fungus <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Surely complex organisms such as the 'kharaa aliens' will have blood to support their life? As blood is used for transporting chemicals around a body it would make sense that the kharaa have blood. It would also explain the green stuff splattering out of them when a marine shoots them.
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Oct 30 2004, 01:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Oct 30 2004, 01:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Oct 30 2004, 09:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Oct 30 2004, 09:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> id say no blooded i consider the aliens more of a bacteria/fungus <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Surely complex organisms such as the 'kharaa aliens' will have blood to support their life? As blood is used for transporting chemicals around a body it would make sense that the kharaa have blood. It would also explain the green stuff splattering out of them when a marine shoots them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    maybe the green stuff are the bacteria cells turning to liquid? (ITS THE FUTURE IT COULD HAPPEN! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )

    and isnt bloods purpose to transport oxygen?(i dont realy see the kharaa as something that breaths)
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Oct 30 2004, 09:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Oct 30 2004, 09:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Oct 30 2004, 01:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Oct 30 2004, 01:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Oct 30 2004, 09:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Oct 30 2004, 09:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> id say no blooded i consider the aliens more of a bacteria/fungus <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Surely complex organisms such as the 'kharaa aliens' will have blood to support their life? As blood is used for transporting chemicals around a body it would make sense that the kharaa have blood. It would also explain the green stuff splattering out of them when a marine shoots them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    maybe the green stuff are the bacteria cells turning to liquid? (ITS THE FUTURE IT COULD HAPPEN! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> )

    and isnt bloods purpose to transport oxygen?(i dont realy see the kharaa as something that breaths) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you take our blood its main purpose is too transport oxygen via red blood cells. I don't do biology and was always crap at it when forced to do it, but I don't think I'm mistaken in saying blood plays a big part in transporting food, cellular repair and some minor excretion. I once got told a lot of things that travel in our blood (most known are plates, plasma, red blood cells, white blood cells) and without blood, we would certainly be dead.

    Although, yeah it is the future, but I think we will still see blood in the future <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    I'd say it isn't blood, but they're warm. Bacteria form a big part of the Kharaa background, so it makes sense to me.

    - Shockwave
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    I think it could easily go either way. Warm-blooded means that the organism controls its own body temperature, and cold blooded means that it pretty much just changes with the environment. I doubt the temperature on a space ship changes much, so any life form that can survive in that temperature range would do just fine if they were cold blooded. Then again, being warm blooded wouldn't be a disadvantage, just something that may not have evolved yet (since there was no necessity for it).
  • UZiUZi Eight inches of C4 between the legs. Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13767Members
  • sheena_yanaisheena_yanai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11426Members
    edited October 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Oct 30 2004, 03:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Oct 30 2004, 03:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->

    and isnt bloods purpose to transport oxygen?(i dont realy see the kharaa as something that breaths) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yeah..sure...

    and thats why aliens cant drown under water <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> ... like humans..

    the fact itselfs that they are able to scream and do noises, requires a respiratory organ... i dont think they create their noises and screams with farting..






    i would say...save lots of marines lifes , and just decompress the space stations and vessels.. hmm.. new mod..

    natural decompression
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    The answer is:

    Nanites. Nanites from the bullet when entering a kharaa's skin, turn into an acid-like substance which burns the kharaa. However... it falls off. Good going, technology.
  • ToneeTonee Wub wuB UK Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21926Members, Constellation
    warm "blooded"

    they don't go somewhere to "warm up" unlike snakes - they are cold blooded and need a heat source
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+Oct 30 2004, 09:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Oct 30 2004, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think it could easily go either way. Warm-blooded means that the organism controls its own body temperature, and cold blooded means that it pretty much just changes with the environment. I doubt the temperature on a space ship changes much, so any life form that can survive in that temperature range would do just fine if they were cold blooded. Then again, being warm blooded wouldn't be a disadvantage, just something that may not have evolved yet (since there was no necessity for it). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    They didn't evolve on spaceships, they came from planets at some point.

    I'd say warm blooded and they may not have blood like us but they probably have some sort of liquid in their bodies.
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Oct 30 2004, 03:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Oct 30 2004, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Oct 30 2004, 09:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Oct 30 2004, 09:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Thursday-+Oct 30 2004, 01:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Oct 30 2004, 01:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Oct 30 2004, 09:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Oct 30 2004, 09:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> id say no blooded i consider the aliens more of a bacteria/fungus <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Surely complex organisms such as the 'kharaa aliens' will have blood to support their life? As blood is used for transporting chemicals around a body it would make sense that the kharaa have blood. It would also explain the green stuff splattering out of them when a marine shoots them. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    maybe the green stuff are the bacteria cells turning to liquid? (ITS THE FUTURE IT COULD HAPPEN! :p )

    and isnt bloods purpose to transport oxygen?(i dont realy see the kharaa as something that breaths) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you take our blood its main purpose is too transport oxygen via red blood cells. I don't do biology and was always crap at it when forced to do it, but I don't think I'm mistaken in saying blood plays a big part in transporting food, cellular repair and some minor excretion. I once got told a lot of things that travel in our blood (most known are plates, plasma, red blood cells, white blood cells) and without blood, we would certainly be dead.

    Although, yeah it is the future, but I think we will still see blood in the future :) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yup.. carries a lot of things to nurish your body. When your cut, the body sends the blood clotters.. or whatever those things are called, to clot the blood at the wound, so no blood leaks out. Thats not really the blood itself drying, the one that carries oxygen, but the scab is made of the clotters..

    Same goes for the white blood cells that fight infections in the different parts of your body. Human body is really amazing. :)
  • A_Boojum_SnarkA_Boojum_Snark Join Date: 2003-09-07 Member: 20628Members
    edited October 2004
    I would say cold blooded. Storyline states that infra-red goggles are useless because the kharaa match their body temperature to the surroundings, which is an attribute of cold blooded creatures.
  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    which is also an attribute of make-believe fungus based lifeforms.
  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-A Boojum Snark+Oct 30 2004, 05:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (A Boojum Snark @ Oct 30 2004, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would say cold blooded. Storyline states that infra-red goggles are useless because the kharaa match their body temperature to the surroundings, which is an attribute of cold blooded creatures. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Was gonna say that. Unless theres some other possible explanation for why they wouldn't show up under IR.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-AlienCow!+Oct 30 2004, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienCow! @ Oct 30 2004, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-A Boojum Snark+Oct 30 2004, 05:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (A Boojum Snark @ Oct 30 2004, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would say cold blooded. Storyline states that infra-red goggles are useless because the kharaa match their body temperature to the surroundings, which is an attribute of cold blooded creatures. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Was gonna say that. Unless theres some other possible explanation for why they wouldn't show up under IR. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's possible for warm-blooded creatures to controll their body temperatures.
  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    Uh? So you are telling me that a warm blooded creature can make its blood cold? Doesnt that kinda make it a cold blooded creature?
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    This is exactly why I didn't bother responding 12 hours ago. Both answers work equally well. But the Kharaa are not a mammal and therefore, don't necesarily have blood.

    They require oxygen, so they might as well have blood. They breathe underwater like whales and dolphins...not indefinately. Remember than bacterial growth slows under 50 degrees fahrenheit, and over around 160 degrees...consider the enviroment, I don't think either will have much impact on the decision on a spaceship.

    Warm blooded-
    They can exist in any enviroment. They are extremely fast.

    Cold bloded
    They don't show up with infrared, suggesting their body temperature is the same as their surroundings. They build their hives in warm places.



    I would assume they'd have little veins/tubes that transport resources away and the whole body expulses the waste, sort of like a tree or mushroom. Considering they don't really need to eat. So, something like:

    Mouth brings in resources and they're sucked to the back to the individual cells, and then wastes are just slowly filtered to the skins surface and discharged....so the green stuff is a bit more like sap than blood.

    ...at least to me.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Oct 30 2004, 10:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Oct 30 2004, 10:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Remember than bacterial growth slows under 50 degrees fahrenheit, and over around 160 degrees... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I realize that your point is that it doesn't matter, but this bacteria could just as easily prefer a different temperature range if temperature was an issue.
  • ShzarShzar Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21098Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-UltimaGecko+Oct 30 2004, 01:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ Oct 30 2004, 01:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They require oxygen, so they might as well have blood. They breathe underwater like whales and dolphins...not indefinately. Remember than bacterial growth slows under 50 degrees fahrenheit, and over around 160 degrees...consider the enviroment, I don't think either will have much impact on the decision on a spaceship.
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    Then couldn't the marines just crank up the air conditioning to give themselves the advantage? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Silly humour aside, I just wanted to add that the green stuff could be blood... it would just mean that the Kharaa have copper based blood. Oxidized copper is green, just like how oxidized iron is red. There are some real life critters that have green blood, though I can't think of one right now...
  • RatonetwothreetwooneRatonetwothreetwoone Join Date: 2004-03-23 Member: 27504Members
    edited October 2004
    perhaps their blood has something to do with resource gas from the ship... otherwise why would the kharra need them?

    they need resources to evolve and build things....

    and they dont just sprout out of no where... theyre born out of the hive....

    thus the large... very loose...... hive....
  • ElderwyrmElderwyrm Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15296Members
    edited October 2004
    Definately cold blooded.

    Just look at the facts: The kharaa always put their hive in a place of warmth.

    Engine Room
    Furnace
    Refinery
    Biodome
    etc.
  • AlienCowAlienCow Join Date: 2003-09-20 Member: 21040Members
    Mmm, right next to 'Cold Turn' on one map, if I recall correctly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Dr_LEE7Dr_LEE7 Join Date: 2004-10-15 Member: 32265Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Chrono+Oct 30 2004, 03:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chrono @ Oct 30 2004, 03:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> id say no blooded i consider the aliens more of a bacteria/fungus <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    they have blood because they show alot of veins in the animations. I think they are warm-blooded, because their movement speed does not slow down as a result of lower temperatures.
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