<!--QuoteBegin-The.DoomHammer+Sep 17 2004, 09:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The.DoomHammer @ Sep 17 2004, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> actually i forgot to add that i plan on getting a X800 XT PE this chirstmas... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Frikken good.
Ressurection! Order placed today, computer should be ready for pickup tomorrow. Specs: CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2.4G Motherboard: ASUS P4PE2-X i845PE 800fsb Memory: DDR333 256M PC2700 [edit] I'm getting more in a few weeks, don't worry[/edit] Hard Drive: W.D. / Maxtor 80G 7200prm DVD-ROM/CDRW: Sony DVD-/+RW Floppy Drive: Sony 1.44 FD Video Card: ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256M Sound: on-board, 6-channel LAN: on-board, 10/100 MBS Case & Power: Antec Sonata low-noise mid-tower 4+2 & 350W power
Only $801.70 Canadian, or $671.7 American. Sweet deal? You decide.
To me I prefer AMD. But your choice is yours. Your processor is good enough for a while. Only 256 megs of RAM, eh too low for me. Depends on what your doing also. If your a hardcore gamer get atleast 1 gig. Im a bit iffy on the 9600 Pro. My friend has one and I dont really like the FPS it pushes out on NS. Well maybe because hes a newbie at changing settings around to improve FPS in games might be the main problem. But from what I've heard (Reviews/Benchmarks) its a decent good card. Id personally push for a 9800 pro/xt since they are pretty cheap.
Right now a Radeon 9800 XT 256 MB is at a low - $184 USD, jeese it went down a lot when I bought it last year at $437 :/
Its a good card though, handles all games well. Even Doom 3 I have at Ultra with 40 FPS.
<!--QuoteBegin-DuoGodOfDeath+Nov 8 2004, 10:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Nov 8 2004, 10:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Im a bit iffy on the 9600 Pro. My friend has one and I dont really like the FPS it pushes out on NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I was thinking the same until recently. I upgraded my mobo and CPU from an Athlon 2000 xp and a Jetway to an Asus K8N and an athlon 3400. The difference in phenominal. Turns out my card was bottle necked by the computer. I'm happy with it atm so I won't be upgrading it for a while.
I personally believe that you're wasting your time on an Intel right now. You're paying, what, $120 - $150 on that, right? Now, if you'd gone the AMD way, you'd spend $150 on a retail Athlon 64 3000+ and get two things: future proofing and dramatic performance increase.
But hey man, it's your call. I understand why some people go with Intel, since they've got the reliability, and if they were really terrible, no one would be buying them.
Intel makes a great chip; AMD just makes a better one, especially for gaming. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-illuminex+Nov 9 2004, 03:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex @ Nov 9 2004, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Intel makes a great chip; AMD just makes a better one, especially for gaming. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Unless you need to do Rendering, Compiling and gaming.
<!--QuoteBegin-illuminex+Nov 8 2004, 11:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex @ Nov 8 2004, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Intel makes a great chip; AMD just makes a better one, especially for gaming. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe that if I were to get a price-equivalent chip by AMD, it would not have the safety (overheat) features that the Intel would. We've all seen that video where the AMD goes up in smoke (yes, litereally) with the fan removed. Doesn't happen with Intel <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <span style='font-size:3pt;line-height:100%'>Unfounded fanboyism also played a significant role in my decision-making</span>
I thought the motherboard was the one that detects the temp of the chip and the mobo itself. Most motherboards now a days have an automated shutdown if your comp gets hot so, there is really no reason th worry about killing your comp.
My 2600 Athlon xp always turns off before it hits a high temp so I don't know what you are talking about 2_of_8.
<!--QuoteBegin-2_of_8+Nov 8 2004, 10:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (2_of_8 @ Nov 8 2004, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-illuminex+Nov 8 2004, 11:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (illuminex @ Nov 8 2004, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Intel makes a great chip; AMD just makes a better one, especially for gaming. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe that if I were to get a price-equivalent chip by AMD, it would not have the safety (overheat) features that the Intel would. We've all seen that video where the AMD goes up in smoke (yes, litereally) with the fan removed. Doesn't happen with Intel <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <span style='font-size:3pt;line-height:100%'>Unfounded fanboyism also played a significant role in my decision-making</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If your overclocking your chip then you should be getting an AMD anyways, simply because intels are terrible overclocking chips in comparision, and only a moron would overclock to the point where thier processor goes up in smoke. FYI, you can get any chip to go up in smoke, you just need to OC to the point where it heats faster than the security can shut it down, with no OC AMD chips are just as secure as Intel chips when it comes to thier overheating prevention methods.
FYI, You got ripped on that DDR333 ram, Always go for DDR400 if your mobo can handle it. The preformance jump you see is one of the few cost effective preformance enhancers that you will acctually get more for your money's worth out of.
Honestly, I would recommend intel chips to some people, but never to gamers.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Nov 9 2004, 05:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Nov 9 2004, 05:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Honestly, I would recommend intel chips to some people, but never to gamers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So who would you recommend Intel chips too?
<!--QuoteBegin-Venmoch+Nov 9 2004, 03:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Nov 9 2004, 03:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Nov 9 2004, 05:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Nov 9 2004, 05:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Honestly, I would recommend intel chips to some people, but never to gamers. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So who would you recommend Intel chips too? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hardcore coders, or people who compile alot of video or 3D media... Intel chips are known to benchmark better for many sequentially running processes, where as AMD chips handle real time processes much better, with the exception of the 64 bit functions, like encryption cracking, physics rendering, and super high level 3D rendering (which benifit greatly from the intuitve use of 64 bit variables) and will blow away, with absoluty no mercy, any of the Intel chips trying to preform the same functions.
The early series of the 1.x Ghz Athlons are notorious for running very hot, and without a heatsink they literally smoke as they die. I had a friend who's mom turned on his computer without realizing he was in the process of doing some hardware repairs. There was no heatsink on the CPU and it smokes. Haha, he was depressed about that one.
I have a 2600 and forgot to put the heatsink back on one time as I started it up. The CPU works the same as before, no burnouts or anything. I don't suggest running the comp without a heatsink anymore than seconds, but it's the earlier AMD's that have the smoking problem.
And yes, 2, your unfounded fanboyism is quite apparant. You get a gold star.
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Frikken good.
Order placed today, computer should be ready for pickup tomorrow.
Specs:
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2.4G
Motherboard: ASUS P4PE2-X i845PE 800fsb
Memory: DDR333 256M PC2700 [edit] I'm getting more in a few weeks, don't worry[/edit]
Hard Drive: W.D. / Maxtor 80G 7200prm
DVD-ROM/CDRW: Sony DVD-/+RW
Floppy Drive: Sony 1.44 FD
Video Card: ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256M
Sound: on-board, 6-channel
LAN: on-board, 10/100 MBS
Case & Power: Antec Sonata low-noise mid-tower 4+2 & 350W power
Only $801.70 Canadian, or $671.7 American.
Sweet deal? You decide.
Right now a Radeon 9800 XT 256 MB is at a low - $184 USD, jeese it went down a lot when I bought it last year at $437 :/
Its a good card though, handles all games well. Even Doom 3 I have at Ultra with 40 FPS.
I was thinking the same until recently. I upgraded my mobo and CPU from an Athlon 2000 xp and a Jetway to an Asus K8N and an athlon 3400. The difference in phenominal. Turns out my card was bottle necked by the computer. I'm happy with it atm so I won't be upgrading it for a while.
But hey man, it's your call. I understand why some people go with Intel, since they've got the reliability, and if they were really terrible, no one would be buying them.
Intel makes a great chip; AMD just makes a better one, especially for gaming. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Unless you need to do Rendering, Compiling and gaming.
Like I do.
Go University!
I believe that if I were to get a price-equivalent chip by AMD, it would not have the safety (overheat) features that the Intel would.
We've all seen that video where the AMD goes up in smoke (yes, litereally) with the fan removed. Doesn't happen with Intel <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='font-size:3pt;line-height:100%'>Unfounded fanboyism also played a significant role in my decision-making</span>
My 2600 Athlon xp always turns off before it hits a high temp so I don't know what you are talking about 2_of_8.
I believe that if I were to get a price-equivalent chip by AMD, it would not have the safety (overheat) features that the Intel would.
We've all seen that video where the AMD goes up in smoke (yes, litereally) with the fan removed. Doesn't happen with Intel <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<span style='font-size:3pt;line-height:100%'>Unfounded fanboyism also played a significant role in my decision-making</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If your overclocking your chip then you should be getting an AMD anyways, simply because intels are terrible overclocking chips in comparision, and only a moron would overclock to the point where thier processor goes up in smoke. FYI, you can get any chip to go up in smoke, you just need to OC to the point where it heats faster than the security can shut it down, with no OC AMD chips are just as secure as Intel chips when it comes to thier overheating prevention methods.
FYI, You got ripped on that DDR333 ram, Always go for DDR400 if your mobo can handle it. The preformance jump you see is one of the few cost effective preformance enhancers that you will acctually get more for your money's worth out of.
Honestly, I would recommend intel chips to some people, but never to gamers.
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So who would you recommend Intel chips too?
So who would you recommend Intel chips too? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hardcore coders, or people who compile alot of video or 3D media... Intel chips are known to benchmark better for many sequentially running processes, where as AMD chips handle real time processes much better, with the exception of the 64 bit functions, like encryption cracking, physics rendering, and super high level 3D rendering (which benifit greatly from the intuitve use of 64 bit variables) and will blow away, with absoluty no mercy, any of the Intel chips trying to preform the same functions.
I have a 2600 and forgot to put the heatsink back on one time as I started it up. The CPU works the same as before, no burnouts or anything. I don't suggest running the comp without a heatsink anymore than seconds, but it's the earlier AMD's that have the smoking problem.
And yes, 2, your unfounded fanboyism is quite apparant. You get a gold star.