Will Flayra Be The New Derek Smart?
GuardianLegend
Join Date: 2004-06-20 Member: 29424Members
Join Date: 2004-06-20 Member: 29424Members
If NS1 had been released to retail, the game would've been one of the biggest flops of the year. The game is terrible, broken at its core, and with an incredibly small cult following, with no popular appeal.
Now, Flayra plans to release a multi-million dollar NS2 onto us all, and unless he's learned that his first game was a mess, NS2 will fail too. But unlike NS1, it could destroy his career as a game designer/programmer. Right now I'm under the impression that Flayra will be the new Derek Smart we all make fun of. The rogue designer that doesn't have any idea what people want, who only listens to his rabid cult fanbase, and conistently releases crappy games that fail miserably.
I've posted why I think NS is an awful game months ago, and there have been hundreds of similar posts on here as well. So there's no reason to go through that again. But, I will offer some advice... make sure you constantly get new focus groups to test this game as it is developed. Make sure the core fundamentals are FUN for people, that people approve of it. These people need to be average mainstream gamers.
DO NOT ever rely on forum goers, or any of your fans, because your fans are the people who already approve of the game, and their feedback is of extremely limited use.
NS has millions of downloads, but the vast majority of the people who downloaded your mod quickly uninstalled it after they saw how terrible it was. These people DO NOT come to your forum. They're the people you need to please, not the fans on the forums.
Now, Flayra plans to release a multi-million dollar NS2 onto us all, and unless he's learned that his first game was a mess, NS2 will fail too. But unlike NS1, it could destroy his career as a game designer/programmer. Right now I'm under the impression that Flayra will be the new Derek Smart we all make fun of. The rogue designer that doesn't have any idea what people want, who only listens to his rabid cult fanbase, and conistently releases crappy games that fail miserably.
I've posted why I think NS is an awful game months ago, and there have been hundreds of similar posts on here as well. So there's no reason to go through that again. But, I will offer some advice... make sure you constantly get new focus groups to test this game as it is developed. Make sure the core fundamentals are FUN for people, that people approve of it. These people need to be average mainstream gamers.
DO NOT ever rely on forum goers, or any of your fans, because your fans are the people who already approve of the game, and their feedback is of extremely limited use.
NS has millions of downloads, but the vast majority of the people who downloaded your mod quickly uninstalled it after they saw how terrible it was. These people DO NOT come to your forum. They're the people you need to please, not the fans on the forums.
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apart from that, die, ns is great.
Seriously buddy...look at the reviews, look at how many members have signed up. GOD go into steam Browse games, we are at the top...idiot
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Yup, because everyone knows Fans dont have any ideas of how to improve the game they enjoy playing, and have experience playing. Its far better to get feedback from people that dont know what they are doing. Hell yeah!
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Where is your proof to this statement?
The people on the forums and the people playing are one. We are the fans. We are the forums. We keep Ns alive.
Oh, and thanks for the "advice" I'm sure when Flayra starts taking notice of people who have no experience in game creation, and no clue as to what they are talking about, your ideas will be taken onboard.
Counter-Strike 86,252 42,149 4.212 billion
Counter-Strike: Source 42,733 10,471 1.552 billion
Counter-Strike Condition Zero 13,107 7,814 718.924 million
Day of Defeat 7,168 2,298 244.532 million
Half-Life 2: Deathmatch 3,333 1,529 121.979 million
Natural Selection 1,471 461 54.872 million<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
we are the #1 played NON-Valve owned mod... yuppers, we really have customer satisfaction issues.
I think NS1 (or NSX like the playstation? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->) has gotten many fans, and will take most of those with it to NS2, because they don't care wether it costs 50$ or it's free, they care about the exciting, UNIQUE gameplay of NS. A lot of people have already become a constellation member, so i believe they would pay even more if they had to. (I am not a constellation member myself, but when I come to think of it, why not give them a discount on ns 2? just a thought...)
CONCLUSION: I basically think the entire opposite of nearly (or just plain all ?) all your points of view, and believe in NS2 to become a game that will astonish & suprise people across the world, and will annihilate all opposition. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Just my pov
- Rover
PS: forgive me for any spelling errors, i'm not English.
Counter-Strike 86,252 42,149 4.212 billion
Counter-Strike: Source 42,733 10,471 1.552 billion
Counter-Strike Condition Zero 13,107 7,814 718.924 million
Day of Defeat 7,168 2,298 244.532 million
Half-Life 2: Deathmatch 3,333 1,529 121.979 million
Natural Selection 1,471 461 54.872 million<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
we are the #1 played NON-Valve owned mod... yuppers, we really have customer satisfaction issues. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Del, just lock this - it's the most rediculous peice of flamebait I've ever read.
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Natural Selection 1,471 461 54.872 million
TeamFortress Classic 1,445 721 44.512 million
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NS is VERY closely followed by TFC. You know, TFC, the mod that hasn't been updated for OVER 2 TO 3 YEARS. Granted NS isn't far off with shattering that record but it still comes to say something. The HL mod scene simply does not have anything decent to offer at the moment, so it really cannot be used an indicator as to how popular NS really is.
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Yes and it isn't because they get fancy icons and playtesting... [/SARCASM]
For me personally, it was because NS has kept my attention longer than any retail game I've ever played, and the community is just in general very very cool.
So I'm sorry to say your comments hold no merit to me.
The NS team also pays more attention to it's community then any other mod I have ever played, and I don't care who you are, if your used to playing games made by big companies like EA and Valve to see the time and effort this team takes with the community is amazing. I'll be very surprised if that doesn’t count for something.
May I ask, GuardianLegend, where you have gained this apparent <i>multitude</i> of knowledge pertaining to making successful games?
I haven’t ever heard your name tossed about as the maker of anything at all.
What gives you the authority to post such garbage?
Why do i play this game for 2 or so hours every day when it's so clear that it's broken and terrible.
/me uninstalls NS.
EDIT: Also, curse magazines like PC Zone and PC Gamer who both sing it's praises, how ignorant they are!
I dont agree that most people think NS is a bad mod. As others have stated its the most played non-valve-owned mod out there, and personally I think its quite fun. There are some gameplay imballances, which is found in all games even professional ones. The Devs are working on them and doing a pretty good job at it. The game is playable, and you can go in to any given server knowing that the game will be decided by how people play not if they choose aliens or marines. Except for a couple things, the game isnt too hard to get into. With a fully new version of NS on the source engine, I think it could be marketed quite well. NS stands out from the compititon because its unique, and also all the work put into it. Few (if any, I cant think of them) have had such a distinction between the mod and the origonal game it was based on.
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Yes and it isn't because they get fancy icons and playtesting... [/SARCASM] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So we couldn't have donated because we think NS is the greatest thing to come along since the silicon processor?
Wow, I didn't know I was so shallow.
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Where are your wonderful contributions to the gaming community, or is this post the extent of them?
As Michelangelo put it best:
"Criticize by creating."