Ns 3beta5 Hanging.

thatdan · January 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">Trying to get an older machine to run NS</div> I have some friends come by every now and then for a simple LAN night.

Unfortunately one of the machines we have is an old 400 mhz pentium with win 98 (decent graphics card). NS hangs just before it gets into the game (right after connecting when the screen slides up everything locks up).

Additional note-I am not running NS through steam. (this could be the problem, if it is, can NS be run through steam in offline mode and we'd still be able to set up the LAN?)

Thanks in advance

Malevolent · January 2005

You can't play the current version of NS on WON. And yes you can play NS on Steam offline. <a href='http://steampowered.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/steampowered.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=213&p_created=1094245645&p_sid=hODSkovh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0yNjcmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1' target='_blank'>Clike here</a> for more info.

thatdan · January 2005

I'm not playing steam on WON I'm playing it on my own LAN.

Are you saying NS doesn't work without steam? (which I know isn't wholely true as I can run NS just fine on my XP box without steam, via the LAN)

Are you saying that it may have troubles without steam but will work with steam?

If I run it via steam (in offline mode) will it matter if I don't use steam on the other computers in the LAN?

Malevolent · January 2005

You don't play Steam. Steam is a program that you play games through. WON was a system used to play games online, but it was built into Half-Life. Steam is an outside program that you use to play HL and its mods. It takes the place of WON. You start Steam up; then you choose what game you want to play.

To sum it up, it is not possible to play any current version of NS or HL or any other mod for HL without Steam. Steam also has to be on every computer that you are going to use to play NS or any other HL mod. Each person will also need his own account on Steam. Go to <a href='http://www.steampowered.com' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com</a> to find out how to do everything.

And I have no idea how you ran NS without Steam. The only way for you to do that is to have an old version of NS that doesn't use Steam.

Hope that clears it up mostly.

thatdan · January 2005

Well I'm using NS 3 beta 5 (as said) so assuming that's always required steam, then well, obviously you can play NS w/o Steam. Again I'm using multiplayer, then LAN game. I've also run firearms 2.9/2.8 and Counterstrike (non source, I believe the most recent) w/o steam.

Malevolent · January 2005

Just use Steam. I don't know how you are playing NS without it.

Thansal · January 2005

yes, you can install NS to a WON copy of HL, I just wouldn't suggest it.

you get random wierd errors (like NS hanging up as you described, plus lots of graphical glitches)

just install Steam on all computers, download and install HL (just boot up the training mission), Install NS and then exit and set Steam to go to off line mode.

look, think of HL as an OS. You have 2 versions, HLWON and HLSteam.

you are trying to use an older version of the OS to run a program designed for the new version.

nuff said.

Cheesefansmile · January 2005

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help help help when i initaize hl by riding the tram for 3.0 on steam or doing hazard cores i go to install it tells me i need to close steam so i do after i instal the game under c:/programfiles/steam/steamapps/myname/half-lif it still does not work i open up setam its not there i restarde my pc too
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Malevolent · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Jan 13 2005, 10:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yes, you can install NS to a WON copy of HL, I just wouldn't suggest it.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Sounded like he said he wasn't even using WON. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

That_Annoying_Kid · January 2005

which brings up the interesting question, how was he doing it?!

I'm actually really intriuged

thatdan · January 2005

Recipe

1 copy Half life platnium (includes counterstrike, opposing force etc.)
1 copy NS 3.5
1 copy 1.1.0.0 patch for half life (or whatever is the latest downloadable patch, google for it)

Install half life, mix throughly with patch (i.e. run that too)
Add in one part NS 3.5 (install NS into your half life folder, not steam)
Do not boil (steam is not required. If you do wish to use it though it won't interfere)

Serves as many as necessary (Half life plat doesn't require the CD to run)

Notes-

Have this set up on 3 boxes
1. Win 98, 400 mhz
2. win xp home, 1.x ghz (not sure, friends computer)
3. Win xp pro, 3.0 ghz
Results
1. Aforementioned crash problem.2
2. Run with D3D, seems to work just fine
3. Run with OpenGL, annoying graphics problem (menu gets 'stuck') fixed by hitting escape and resume. Works just fine, Hivemind bot and RCBot work fine.

I'll be taking my win 98 box and putting xp pro on it, so we'll see if that changes things (I suspect it will)

This set up also worked with counter strike (not fully updated, i think i use it as 1.0.0.6 or something), firearms 2.8/2.9.
Also have steam on my computer, it doesn't interfere(it takes half life and makes a copy of it, so no need to worry)

Dan

Thansal · January 2005

As I said a WON INSTALL of HL

he can't play on WON b/c it is DEE EE DEE DEAD!

Even if steam was to go down today, we could still use a Steam install of HL to play NS on LANs.

however as was pointed out, a WON install of HL will cause funky errors, I would sugest simply ussing a Steam install.

And if you are tryign to do this illegaly (aka ussing 1 CD key for each) all you have to do is sign into Steam ussing the same ID on each ocmputer and then set themm all to offline mode (I tihnk this works atleast)

Ns 3beta5 Hanging.

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