Apple Mac Hates Me

SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
<div class="IPBDescription">OS WARZ!!11one</div> So I'm sitting in college on one of those "Gee-Four" Apple InterMac contraptions, trying to listen to this big CD full of MP3's that I bought, when Itunes breaks... and DOESN'T EVER LOAD AGAIN. So I think, huh, ok.. and go to winamp to download winamp so that I might play the cd in winamp for great winamp... But then I realised that it's called WINamp, therefore won't actually WORK on Mac OS because Mac OS doesn't actually know what .exe files are...

For an operating system that's almost IDENTICAL to Windows in pretty much every way you use it, why would you go to the expense of making it so that noone could use the programs that they would normally use for windows without having to get the people who MADE the programs to recompile them??. IT R SILLY. This apple mac I'm using now is basicly a PC with Firefox, the DOC menu and no winamp. I even have a regular USB mouse with 3 buttons.
Everything else I want to do on the comp is done the same way. Photoshop runs identically, Flash runs identically, Freehand runs identically. Safari is basicly Firefox with a different name.
What I want to know is why everyones arguing that "OOOH! MAC IZ BETTAR FOR GRAPHIX DEZIGNEARS ANA ARTIEASTS" when Windows does everything IN THE EXACT SAME WAY as Mac OS? Maybe they're talking about the fact that the Mac OS looks a bit nicer, thus providing some creative inspiration or something. Wait, nevermind. You can get Mac OS Windows themes, and visa versa.
It's like... if you buy a Mac you're pretty much spending a huge amount of money to forfiet playing Half Life, Half life 2 and pretty much every other good game ever released in order to look at a pretty case and play with the Doc menu (Admittedly, the way you can get the icons to pop up when you put your mouse over them has kept some of the kids here entertained for HOURS.)

But imo, at the end of the day if you're buying a Mac because it looks nice or because you think it will help you make leet 4rtwork, you're gonna be pretty disappointed because it's just like a Windows machine.

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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    edited February 2005
    Not to mention that with G4s or G5s, and the EXPENSIVE ones (college shelled out for new boxen... upgraded from dual proc G4s to dual proc G5s) Maya continues to crash every 15 minutes, taking the machine down with it.

    Yes, Macs crash. The only difference is that you can't tell when it's going down. The whole thing just *blips* and is powered off. At least when an x86 (or x86-64) machine starts to crash, it normally starts to chug just enough to be a warning sign to save your work ASAP.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    But it's so cute <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    <img src='http://images.apple.com/macmini/images/designoptical20050111.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    I agree though, what the hell? Condolences.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Mmmmmm... iBagel. Now all they have to do is come out with a firewire plug-and-toss iStarbucks unit, at $25 a cup, to reproduce the crappy coffee-house prices.
  • EnceladusEnceladus Join Date: 2004-01-18 Member: 25442Members
    The reason why designers prefer macs is because of it's speed.
    The interface between an apple and a windows pc might look similar, but the hardware isn't. While the PC is based on a CISC (Complex Instruction Set Computing) cpu, a mac has a RISC (Reduced Instruction Set Computer) cpu structure which especially gives you an advantage when running graphical applications like photoshop or a 3d program. A RISC cpu has less in-build commands and always has to run every command completely, which can result in a faster processing of a command but might go slower when it comes to complex calculations. The CISC cpu has a couple of pre defined instruction sets which he can execute very fast (e.g. 3DNow in AMD cpu's), but it's lacking in processing speed of single commands.
  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    Well I'm using one right now and it's no faster than my computer at home. I notice 0 speed difference whilst doing photoshop stuff.
  • kidakida Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
    I see...Personally, I hate macs with all my heart. the user interface just annoys the crap out of me, and the constant crashes, and all the other anomolies.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Sorcerer, I'd double-check your info. That may have been true, but the G5s include a Decode segment of the CPU. <a href='http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/powerpc-g5_10.html' target='_blank'>Which makes them a CISC chip.</a> No matter how much Mackies may protest, due to the need to defend their past elitist bashing of CISC.

    And if you hope to imply that a 733MHz G4 (the last RISC Mac) has any hope of outperforming an Ath64, without comparing on an application specifically designed for Mac-only use, you need to wake up and smell the silicon.

    Heck, my A64 3200+ still whups the tar out of the dual G5s during application use (no crashing, especially) as well as on rendering speed in Maya. Even moreso when you put high-end plugins into the pipeline. And Photoshop runs faster, especially when dealing with 4096^2 and larger images. Let's not forget that my machine cost approximately $3000-4000 less than a top-of-the-line G5, including the 2048x1536 21" monitor.
  • EnceladusEnceladus Join Date: 2004-01-18 Member: 25442Members
    hm interesting.. they convert the core to a more cisc style. Looks like I have to update my knowledge about the macs <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Mad_ManMad_Man Join Date: 2003-06-13 Member: 17359Members, Constellation
    my school uses macs, there not bad but its better then the other schools. When we go to programing competions the other school are running windows 98/95 on pII and pIII and crash more then our macs. And video editing is nice aswell
  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I wait someone to post that Mac video, until then <a href='http://www.roosterteeth.com/archive/download.php/?id=499' target='_blank'>this will have to do.</a>

    Still people say Mac sell because they look better than PCs...those people havent seen good case.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    I love Macs, that said, I have to go to school now... bye!
  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    edited February 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 1 2005, 08:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 1 2005, 08:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I love Macs, that said, I have to go to school now... bye! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You also love Linux and QERadiant, you hippy communist nazi! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ConfusedConfused Wait. What? Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12904Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester
    I used to despise macs, but mac OSX is still teh only os i haven't managed to utterly destroy. I am one of those people who walks into a room full of PCs and they catch fire as i walk past. I actualy enjoy alot of the features i have encountered for example f9 is the utter win.

    this is merely to say macs doesnt suck as much as it used to. i still don't own one but hey.
  • NakedDaveNakedDave Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33294Members
    if you're wondering why the OS's are so similar, go back and look at early Windows builds, and compare it to the godliness that is MacOS 6.5 (I think that's the right one... it's been almost 16 years) Then compare MacOS 7 to Win95, MacOS 8 to 98, MacOS 9 to ME (although that's not fair, ME is a hunking pile of poo poo. OS 9 was just a pseudo-upgrade)

    You'll notice a lot of disturbing similarities, but the end result is 2 very capable OS's, buried under "user-friendly" shells.

    I still find it easier to tweak my system settings on a mac, don't know how to do it on a PeeCee (I'm not talking control panel settings here, bub) :/ (It won't let me access the files, and then tries to scare me out of messing with them)

    Right. No clue why iTunes crashed. What else were you doing, etc. etc. All computers have faulty software, faulty hardware is what really sucks.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    edited February 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 1 2005, 05:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 1 2005, 05:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But then I realised that it's called WINamp, therefore won't actually WORK on Mac OS because Mac OS doesn't actually know what .exe files are...

    For an operating system that's almost IDENTICAL to Windows in pretty much every way you use it, why would you go to the expense of making it so that noone could use the programs that they would normally use for windows without having to get the people who MADE the programs to recompile them??. I <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, for starters, because Mac never copied Windows. All (ok, most) of the copying has goine the other way around. And second, when was the last time you ran a non-recompiled MacOSX app on Windows? Unless you were emulating it using PearPC, the answer is "never".
  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    edited February 2005
    No, I'm saying that if you're trying to champion a new OS, why not make programs from the main OS out at the moment work with yours? Surely that'd make converting to Mac much easier/appealing?
  • AbraAbra Would you kindly Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19870Members
    i just like being able to play my games, how are macs at the point these days?

    that, and iam slow changing for stuff - took me long to change from IE to FireFox and from WMP to Winamp...

    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    edited February 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 1 2005, 12:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 1 2005, 12:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, I'm saying that if you're trying to champion a new OS, why not make programs from the main OS out at the moment work with yours? Surely that'd make converting to Mac much easier/appealing? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sure, but do you have any idea how hard that is? Look at the WINE project, for running windows apps on linux. Its been around for a very long time and it still doesn't have very good compatability. And thats for running windows apps on the same processor! Apple would have to do some serious work to get windows apps to run even moderatly well on OSX.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i just like being able to play my games, how are macs at the point these days?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Macs are actually pretty good for gaming. Unfortunatly not many developers bother to make Mac versions.
  • crazynetcrazynet Join Date: 2004-05-13 Member: 28647Members, Constellation
    I personally own 5 PC's and all work great. I am a programmer so I do end up crashing and reformatting the computer every once and a while because of some of the programming work. Also in that I am a power user doesn't help either.

    The problem with cross platform applications (windows apps on Mac) is not just limited to that. Its the same thing with any of the platforms to any other Linux, Mac, UNIX, widows... etc. And even in Linux some times there's compatibility problems between its flavors.

    I really can't tell the difference between what a Mac processor can do and what a PC processor can do. I don't really believe those benchmarks that every one keeps throwing in each other's face... I mean their not even real life scenarios. Their just strait out of the box lets run stuff on them. What really matters is the applications that are available for me to use and also the speed I can get the work done with.

    Btw if Firefox is any thing like safari I probably wouldn't use it... There are so many problems with Safari its not funny. I am always finding pages that don't render in it correctly, java applets that don't load correctly, etc.., IE on Mac even though it's a version or 2 behind still works a lot better than Safari
  • iFireiFire Join Date: 2002-07-31 Member: 1038Members
    edited February 2005
    Main problem with macs is the video card power, ATI 9200 doesn't cut it, and G5's are expensive :/
  • LaetLaet Join Date: 2005-02-01 Member: 39385Members
    TBH i have very little experience with PC's, and absolutely minimal with MAC's, and at risk of sounding like "LOLOLOL WINDOWZ <3" i do prefer windows and for the moment wouldnt consider the change.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    My uni tends to use PCs for most tasks, including 2D art and Cad-Cam, but keeps a Mac Lab around for video editing. I think it's worth to notice that many of the mainline visual program suites (take PSP) started out on Mac - so a lot of the superiority arguments are in fact growing out of nostalgia.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Hellfire3k+Feb 1 2005, 03:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hellfire3k @ Feb 1 2005, 03:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Main problem with macs is the video card power, ATI 9200 doesn't cut it, and G5's are expensive :/ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    thats way more power than I have in my box right now... besides, you can plug any card into a mac, same as you would a pc. Unless you get an iMac or a minimac.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    REally, I'm pretty sure Macs have a seperate way of handeling video cards. I know Ati makes video cards for Macs, the same as their PC brethren, but around 25% more too...
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    edited February 2005
    I have never heard such a thing. The standard Mac G5 has an AGP8x slot just like a PC. And PCI, just like a PC. And PCIX just like a PC.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Spacer+Feb 1 2005, 06:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spacer @ Feb 1 2005, 06:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Caboose+Feb 1 2005, 08:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Caboose @ Feb 1 2005, 08:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I love Macs, that said, I have to go to school now... bye! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You also love Linux and QERadiant, you hippy communist nazi! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Anyone that honestly believes that hammer is better than radiant obviously hasn't used hammer. Within 10 minutes of using it you can do not just two times as much work, but a minimum of 5 to 10 times as much done. I could do entire intricate rooms in radiant in only two, three minutes. To do the same room in hammer took me half an hour- and it didn't even look as good because hammer's way of having you light is REALLY hard compared to Radiant's. And note that I learned everything on Hammer, and switched to a radiant lover with D3. Sad though that there aren't very many good radiant apps D:
  • SpacerSpacer Invented dogs Join Date: 2003-05-02 Member: 16008Members
    The only flaw with that post is that hammer is actually *better* than radiant. That's why the majority of half life mappers use it.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    I have 3 versions of Raidant installed, one for Q3, one for HL, one for Doom3, well, 2 for doom 3 if you count the integrated editor, which I don't.

    BTW spacer, QERadiant, and GtkRadiant are different editors, similar, but Gtk is by far superior.

    As for Linux, yes, I use Linux, I use Windows, and I use Mac OS X. I have used many versions of all of those OS's. From Windows 3.1, Redhat 5 and the Mac OS on the Apple 2 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->, I don't even remember a version number <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Before OS X, I despised Macs, but honestly, I really like it now, I mainly use it for video editing, I have used Adobe Premiere on PC for that before, and I must say that Final Cut Pro 4 is a better peice of software, but that's my oppinion, as well as you know... lots of major movie studios.

    As for Radiant, every person I know that has moved from Hammer to Radiant absolutly loved Radiant and is unwilling to switch back, the only reson any of them use it is for Source mapping anyway.

    BTW...
    <!--QuoteBegin-Fixed+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fixed)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyone that honestly believes that hammer is better than radiant obviously hasn't used <b>Radiant</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I tried to use Radiant when Q3 first came out.

    It scared me.

    I could never figure out how the hell you were supposed to delete brushes. There was no menu item for it, no toolbar, and the 'del' key wasn't it either...


    I guess I'll try it again if GTKRadiant ever gets HL2 support...
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