Accident In Car Wash
<div class="IPBDescription">Who do u think is to blame?</div> So today I got an email from my mother,
She had taken her relativly new car (2005 Toyota Camery LE, its pretty nice) to the car wash today.
its one of those automatic ones where u drive up onto the ramp thingys and put your car in neutral and then basically a conveyer belt type thingy pulls your car through the car wash.
So the moron in front of her didnt put their car in neutral and instead left it in drive.
Even though their are huge lighted signs that say PUT CAR IN NEUTRAL when u get on the belt.
The car wash employees also guid you onto the belt mechanism to make sure you are on straight. Then when you get on they tap your windshield and scream at you (b/c its loud) to put it in neutral.
So for whatever reasons the driver in front of my mothers never put the car in neutral and about 1/4 the way through the car wash it went off the track. My moms car then got pulled in into the stuck car.
This like, never happens b/c their is always a line of cars to get in and its a pretty popular and fast place. Its a Delta Sonic company carwash for your information.
Obviosuly speed here wasnt an issue but when you have a big heavy object like a car being mechanically pulled and pushed into another, which isnt moving, obviosuly damage is going to occur. My parents both take really good care of their cars. they park them out in the middle of nowhere and stuff so people wont dent their doors with their own or with those stray shopping carts that people leave in the middle of the parking lots etc.
Now the fun part.
The drivers insurance says its the car washes fault for not making sure that the drivers car was in the right gear. Even though they have giant neon signs and a traffic light up and the employees yell at you to do it.
Keep in mind that the driver is supposed to put it in neutral when they get on the belt.
The car washes insurance of course says the driver is at fault for basically being negligent (aka being a moron) and not following their directions and signs, etc
My mothers insurance and the repair people are split both ways lol. But all parties agree its not my moms fault. She doesnt want to sue anyone or something stupid, she just wants her car fixed.
So basically its a big blame game for the insurance companies.
So who based on this, who do you guys think is responsible?
The car wash for not getting the person to put it in neutral, or the driver for not paying attention to put the car in neutral?
She had taken her relativly new car (2005 Toyota Camery LE, its pretty nice) to the car wash today.
its one of those automatic ones where u drive up onto the ramp thingys and put your car in neutral and then basically a conveyer belt type thingy pulls your car through the car wash.
So the moron in front of her didnt put their car in neutral and instead left it in drive.
Even though their are huge lighted signs that say PUT CAR IN NEUTRAL when u get on the belt.
The car wash employees also guid you onto the belt mechanism to make sure you are on straight. Then when you get on they tap your windshield and scream at you (b/c its loud) to put it in neutral.
So for whatever reasons the driver in front of my mothers never put the car in neutral and about 1/4 the way through the car wash it went off the track. My moms car then got pulled in into the stuck car.
This like, never happens b/c their is always a line of cars to get in and its a pretty popular and fast place. Its a Delta Sonic company carwash for your information.
Obviosuly speed here wasnt an issue but when you have a big heavy object like a car being mechanically pulled and pushed into another, which isnt moving, obviosuly damage is going to occur. My parents both take really good care of their cars. they park them out in the middle of nowhere and stuff so people wont dent their doors with their own or with those stray shopping carts that people leave in the middle of the parking lots etc.
Now the fun part.
The drivers insurance says its the car washes fault for not making sure that the drivers car was in the right gear. Even though they have giant neon signs and a traffic light up and the employees yell at you to do it.
Keep in mind that the driver is supposed to put it in neutral when they get on the belt.
The car washes insurance of course says the driver is at fault for basically being negligent (aka being a moron) and not following their directions and signs, etc
My mothers insurance and the repair people are split both ways lol. But all parties agree its not my moms fault. She doesnt want to sue anyone or something stupid, she just wants her car fixed.
So basically its a big blame game for the insurance companies.
So who based on this, who do you guys think is responsible?
The car wash for not getting the person to put it in neutral, or the driver for not paying attention to put the car in neutral?
Comments
I would say it's the fault of the driver. But I also think that it would be best for staff to keep an eye open for the noticable gear switching from the occupants of the car. I don't think that makes the car wash liable, since there are warnings, but it would help to avoid situations like these.
As for the car, I'm sure things will work out. I do hope it works out soon, so the car can be repaired.
Its like saying on the iron "do not iron clothes while they are on." If the place was blatently obvious about the neutral, and the driver didn't speak a language that the sign wasn't in, then its the driver's neglect.
I'll find and see the laws on such thing, if ya want. Those law books in my dad's library have to be good for something.
Its like saying on the iron "do not iron clothes while they are on." If the place was blatently obvious about the neutral, and the driver didn't speak a language that the sign wasn't in, then its the driver's neglect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed.
Drivers fault for not following the 'rule' of the car-wash and <i>if</i> he was verbally warned as well then he's just an idiot and 100% responsible.
It's unfeasible and inefficient to run the car-wash if you have to park the car in the wash, wind down the drivers window and visually check that their car is in neutral.
Meh, drivers fault for not following blatantly obvious signs that evryone else manages to comprehend.
dragging 3000 pound car = damaging
The car wash's insurance, however, will point out that the driver did not follow the rules of the place, and thus brought forth the damage (by which I mean, the money the car wash has to pay to your mom) due to his negligence, which means that we'll likely see a lot of money changing hands in the end.
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>NO FAULT INSURANCE!</span>
Personally, I always side against morons. Since it was posted (even if the staff didn't yell at him), it's his fault for not obeying the rules, which were posted to prevent damage to his car, others' cars, and the car-wash equipment itself.
And I will withhold any comments relating to Camrys being nice cars, as they would be inflammatory.
Hate retarded people like that who thinck rules do not aply to them
Bottom line is, the business providing the service is solely responsible for ensuring a customer's vehicle completes this process without causing damage to the vehicle being cleaned or any others in the immediate vicinity. I hereby deem the car wash responsible for any/all damage incurred and order them to pay any/all damages to the claimants immediately! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I drive an "oversized" Camry (a Lexus LS400) so don't even go there. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It happens to be the most reliable automobile in the world, bar none. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I drive an "oversized" Camry (a Lexus LS400) so don't even go there. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It happens to be the most reliable automobile in the world, bar none. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Reliable does not equal nice. I'm more interested in the power to weight ratio, torque curve, and ground effect compensation on cornering. A car that pulls a 6.2:1 with strong growth across the band, and a ground effect & tires of 2G+ is a nice car.
Again. I will withhold any comments about Camrys being nice cars.
the drive in ones you stay in your car all the way through..
Though it is true the carwash attendants should have probably made SURE the idiot folowed the ruels, I still would want to blame the idiot.
though in this case it is all down to a technicality in the law that I DON'T KNOW!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
It happens to be the most reliable automobile in the world, bar none. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Volkswagen Passat. My family had one from before my birth until I graduated from highschool, and all that had to be replaced was a muffler <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But I think the guy is an idiot and should pay it all.
It happens to be the most reliable automobile in the world, bar none. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Volkswagen Passat. My family had one from before my birth until I graduated from highschool, and all that had to be replaced was a muffler.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am sure the European Passatt is/was much more reliable than it's American anti-poluted/strangulated/castrated counterpart. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And you'd dry your hair at the same time as getting it wet why? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ok i work in a video store, so illt ry to make a comparison, on the counter we have HUGE yellow signs with bold blue txt, which clearly state DO NOT LEAVE RETURNS ON THE COUNTER PUT IN DROP BOX.
however! every single night, more then 70% of them, are just left on the counter. always. should i be blamed because the customer is a pleb?
its theyre fault if it goes missing. not the stores... once in the drop box, its our responsibility, until then its all on them.
so yeah drivers fault for sure...
Wow, you don't live in Florida do you? Their road rage law would find you in the slammer ... then you could have your burger THEIR way. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well, Bubba could mean a couple of things:<ul><li>A big, fat, slimey lookin redneck drivin a jacked up 4x4 and married to his cousin</li><li>A Bubba burger, which is a frozen burger patty available by the case in supermarkets.</li></ul>
They do now. In thirty different languages, too!
The carwarsh's insurance company wins. The idiot driver's insurance has to pay not them.
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