Is World Domination Possible?
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Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
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<div class="IPBDescription">I don't think it'd be too hard</div> the only thing stopping any one country form conquering the world. is the fact that so many countries have nukes and what have you right now. it acts as a detterence keeping from total war from breaking out.
but I figure that there'd be two easy ways to take over the world
1- Econimcally , one super buisness monopoly takes over all the markets in the world.. then it'd effectivly be more powerfull then any goverment and would be imppossible to remove without sending the entire planet into a great depression
2- Forcefully , if a country created a 100% full proof system of blocking nukes then it could go on a rampage and kill everyone else and conquer them
I was just wondering if you guys thought this was possible
but I figure that there'd be two easy ways to take over the world
1- Econimcally , one super buisness monopoly takes over all the markets in the world.. then it'd effectivly be more powerfull then any goverment and would be imppossible to remove without sending the entire planet into a great depression
2- Forcefully , if a country created a 100% full proof system of blocking nukes then it could go on a rampage and kill everyone else and conquer them
I was just wondering if you guys thought this was possible
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Probable, no.
On paper it sounds good but humans don´t work that way.
1. Whatever super buisness had that power would never go all the way because it would reduce their abillity to manipulate the market to their favor.
Example: Why is the US dollar so strong? Because all other currency is weaker. You can do buisness just by buying and selling money. Even though the system as such would strive for monopoly it would be torn apart from the inside.
2. This would probably work better if not long lasting. It´s a common symptom among humans to define their own place in society by pointing out what they are not. In effect collectivly alienating themselfs to get a sence of belonging. People can´t be forced to like everyone. Allthough the fear of total obliteration would keep former nations in check for a while, that advantage would die the moment the conquerer integrated itself.
To clearify. As soon as they can´t bomb nations without bombing themselfs and find that a great number of their troops are not patriotic to the state but rather to the regoin where their familys live. This is when rebelions break out.
Well just my view.
But hey, keep up the power dreams.
after all, cant' nuke us, what're ya gonna do? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> If you try to nuke us, we laser beam the **** down
Personally, i think we should concentrate on phased EM Sheilding instead... but eh, that's my opinion
Haven't you played HL2?
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And now that I have steered this thread into something less insane (stupid, neocon filth), let's talk about hamburgers.
I had mine with ketchup today.
Oh, did I say that out loud?
Well,apparently by 2020 China will be taking over. Enjoy. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
OR we have a vote and impeach the government that we elected to those high positions. You know, like how a democracy is supposed to work.
Like the Illuminati.
but they had their buts kicked by the gargoyles.
Militaristically: Utterly impossible. No one country has nearly enough nukes to hit every nation in the world, let alone all the major cities in the world, let alone all the spread out military bases in the world. And holding the entire Earth on the ground would be futile. China is the biggest country (or did India take that spot yet?) population-wise; they have 1/6 of the world's population. And somehow I doubt that they would be able to organize their entire population in an offensive strike. Now, the remaining 5/6 of the world's population would lead an incredibly spirited defense, and we all know that defenders always have some tactical advantages, as well as the morale boost that comes from defending their home. And remember, 5:1 are the best numerical odds any country has against the world; America has roughly 1/20 of the world's population, I think. 5% ain't doing nothing. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Suppressing the world's population? Not gonna happen.
Even with modern technology it's impossible to cross so many cultures and people and still keep them tight knit and conforming. Especially when the "ruling" class is either small or one man.
And, in the unlikely event that such a thing did happen, the "empire" would probably be as long-lived as the ruler, as power-changes make such a system unstable.
An oppressive Orwellian world could never actually happen, and if such a regime managed to get even remotely close to such a level of power, it would crumble within a matter of years.
Along with Number's remark as to how the empire would only last as long as the current leader, this can be discounted as within ANY major establishment, regardless of buisness, or religion, there are always people who are almost fanatical as to the outcome and future of that eastablishment. Something as major as a World Emipre would have more in-fighting than a week at the UK Conservative camp. The entire emipre would be built upon the premise of "Dead Man's Boots", personified in "The Chronicles Of Riddick", by the saying "You keep what you kill." If someone in that empire was assainated, then invariably another person would rise to take the leader's place. This would probably continue ad infinatum until a rebellion happened, and the empire's power would be diminished, or dissipated (Ref, Star Wars).
On nuclear warfare, the term "Mutally Assured Destruction" comes to mind. Even if you could fire a nuclear salvo at another country, the time scale for the impact would have given the target enough time to prime, and fire their own reposte. "Parry And Thrust" would only come into play if you could produce something like tha laser defence that has been hinted at before. However, this would be subject to Number's "Don't Touch My Ball" theory, inwhich, could you really have enough resources to build, position, maintain and fire such as defense system to efficiently cover such a land mass, like America? I don't think it would be possible, given the current economy.
2 cents delivered, and I apologise for the movie references.
At the UN meeting, organize all of the countries together. Countries that disagree will be blown up (with nukes).
The countries will combine to form The United Nations of Earth, and will kill anyone who disagrees.
There we go, world domination.
Militaristically: Utterly impossible. No one country has nearly enough nukes to hit every nation in the world, let alone all the major cities in the world, let alone all the spread out military bases in the world. And holding the entire Earth on the ground would be futile. China is the biggest country (or did India take that spot yet?) population-wise; they have 1/6 of the world's population. And somehow I doubt that they would be able to organize their entire population in an offensive strike. Now, the remaining 5/6 of the world's population would lead an incredibly spirited defense, and we all know that defenders always have some tactical advantages, as well as the morale boost that comes from defending their home. And remember, 5:1 are the best numerical odds any country has against the world; America has roughly 1/20 of the world's population, I think. 5% ain't doing nothing. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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You do realize that US and Russia each had stockpiles of nukes in the tens of thousands (i believe around 20-30000 at the height of the cold war). That is more than enough to completely wipe out every square inch of the earth. Except maybe some bacteria and cockroaches. And we could make tens of thousands more, if we wanted to.
The only reason they're having problems with that is that they rufuse to use nuclear wepons to keep people in line. Nuke a few cities for disobeying you and and the local governments of other cities will take their own action to surpress their populations for the sake of survival.
Militaristically: Utterly impossible. No one country has nearly enough nukes to hit every nation in the world, let alone all the major cities in the world, let alone all the spread out military bases in the world. And holding the entire Earth on the ground would be futile. China is the biggest country (or did India take that spot yet?) population-wise; they have 1/6 of the world's population. And somehow I doubt that they would be able to organize their entire population in an offensive strike. Now, the remaining 5/6 of the world's population would lead an incredibly spirited defense, and we all know that defenders always have some tactical advantages, as well as the morale boost that comes from defending their home. And remember, 5:1 are the best numerical odds any country has against the world; America has roughly 1/20 of the world's population, I think. 5% ain't doing nothing. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Suppressing the world's population? Not gonna happen. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You do realize that US and Russia each had stockpiles of nukes in the tens of thousands (i believe around 20-30000 at the height of the cold war). That is more than enough to completely wipe out every square inch of the earth. Except maybe some bacteria and cockroaches. And we could make tens of thousands more, if we wanted to. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Divide the Earth's surface by the area of a blast from a hydrogen bomb and then tell me how many bombs it would take to blow up the world.
In any case, we <u>don't</u> have that many bombs anymore; no one does. And making tens of thousands more would bankrupt the nation far before reaching the goal necessary to conquering the world.
Militaristically: Utterly impossible. No one country has nearly enough nukes to hit every nation in the world, let alone all the major cities in the world, let alone all the spread out military bases in the world. And holding the entire Earth on the ground would be futile. China is the biggest country (or did India take that spot yet?) population-wise; they have 1/6 of the world's population. And somehow I doubt that they would be able to organize their entire population in an offensive strike. Now, the remaining 5/6 of the world's population would lead an incredibly spirited defense, and we all know that defenders always have some tactical advantages, as well as the morale boost that comes from defending their home. And remember, 5:1 are the best numerical odds any country has against the world; America has roughly 1/20 of the world's population, I think. 5% ain't doing nothing. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Suppressing the world's population? Not gonna happen. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You do realize that US and Russia each had stockpiles of nukes in the tens of thousands (i believe around 20-30000 at the height of the cold war). That is more than enough to completely wipe out every square inch of the earth. Except maybe some bacteria and cockroaches. And we could make tens of thousands more, if we wanted to. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Divide the Earth's surface by the area of a blast from a hydrogen bomb and then tell me how many bombs it would take to blow up the world.
In any case, we <u>don't</u> have that many bombs anymore; no one does. And making tens of thousands more would bankrupt the nation far before reaching the goal necessary to conquering the world. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
24700 miles circumference = 195 million square miles.
Fallout range of a hydrogen bomb = 160 miles for 300 rems (Massive internal damage from radiation)
Fallout surface area = 80425
195 million / 80425 = 2415 H-Bombs.
It's not the blast, it's the fallout afterwards.
The only time we would ever unite is to face an outside threat, a rogue nation for example, or an alien threat (Asteroid, Brain eaters from Pluto, etc etc).
As it stands, in the modern world war is becoming more and more of a liability. The country that does the conquering is inevitably the one that has to do the rebuilding. The tide of hatred and the desire for retribution by the conquered is another thing to deal with, they wont let you reap the slightest benefit from your conquests if they have anything to do with it.
Now, if the earth were to become barely habitable and the remaining population were to be concentrated in self contained cities... You might have an easier time with global domination. He whom controls the supplies of air, water and food ultimately controls the city. Any city that acts up too much can simply have their air supply cut. Of course such a situation would require a near total ecological collapse, something not about to happen readily for another 300 years at best.
if it is world domination you want, you will need to employ smaller, much subtler methods, and that, my friends, is miniturization. nano warfare to be precise, whether it is a genetically engineered super virus/germ, or a nanobot army, small microscropic killers will be the way to go (X-files, Deus Ex, Twelve Monkeys style) because you don't arrouse any suspicion this way, you and your group of conspirators can conspicuously and effectively wipe out most of the world's population, and then re-populate the world as you see fit. a positive side to this is that the world you inherit won't be a nuclear wasteland. it will just be devoid of human life
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if it is world domination you want, you will need to employ smaller, much subtler methods, and that, my friends, is miniturization. nano warfare to be precise, whether it is a genetically engineered super virus/germ, or a nanobot army, small microscropic killers will be the way to go (X-files, Deus Ex, Twelve Monkeys style) because you don't arrouse any suspicion this way, you and your group of conspirators can conspicuously and effectively wipe out most of the world's population, and then re-populate the world as you see fit. a positive side to this is that the world you inherit won't be a nuclear wasteland. it will just be devoid of human life
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ok, someones been playing CO servers on NS for a little too long....