lol i'm just a community player....not really a forum poster i just come to the boards to dl customs...i think the makers of this mod are high.
ya did a great job making it no doubt about that...but often times makers dont take into consideration of how bad teamwork can really be. (health station for marines would be nice) (my only gameplay rant)
but if you dont nuture the modding community your mod will die. Yeah u did alot of work making your guns and animations but not everybody likes Stock. the moaning and law suit bitching that this thread turn'd into is just ghey. you can take/alter do whatever to anybodys work as long as you provide proper credit and its non-profit. n'ff said.
Well, Afterglow, I've so far only seen one Reply in this topic that was written by a Dev and that was only a general agreement with the initial post... I'm sure the Developers WANT a growing Customization-Community(?) but also they're VERY professional in all aspects of this Mod, that includes the copyright/law thing. So they're very cautiunous(?) about every possible copyiriht infrigment(?) to prevent this mod from being foxed. I can fully understand this behavior, as noone wants this Mod or any future Customization of this Mod being shut down just because someone forgot to ask for permission to alter (INSERT YOUR MODEL/SKIN/SOUND HERE)...
<!--QuoteBegin--Zevvex+Nov 14 2002, 11:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zevvex @ Nov 14 2002, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Get a life geek there is no way that anyone can track you down by reading a readme file<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> what the **obscenity** Is wrong with you?
People BE FRIGGEN ORIGNAL, MAKE YOUR OWN ideas you know what that will do for this mod? it will make this mod athousand times better.
and btw He's not a Geek, he merely went to school I learned this type of stuff in J.high school. Pay attention you might learn something, aswell As you should talk hanging out on an Interent Message board doesn't exactly make you ungeek.
I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of this I just hope to God you guys start doing something useful and making your OWN models, I bet if you do make your own ideas you'll prolly end up getting something In game, as well as a Possible Job.
Admins please shut down this custom models forum. Nothing good will come out of it now that it's been corrupted. And no offence meant to anyone that actually makes models/skins, but please don't flatter yourselves. I hope you understand what I mean.
As long as your motives are good, it's more like sharing instead of copying. But this thread has served it's purpose and should be locked. We'll see just how good the original custom models/skins that are yet to be release are, and if they are good quality then not many people will care about converts. If they are bad quality then many people will be unsatisfied.
Infinitum don't stress about it. I completely understand your points and I totally agree with you for I am a multimedia artist myself.Though I havn't released my work to the world I can plainly understand this topic. I would sue any **obscenity** who takes my work and alter it in any way even if it made me get more fame. I love being original and anything other than what I created is not my view or intention or dream of what It first was.
You have to also realize we have a large amount of "youngsters" on the net and they simply can't grasp the word "lawsuit" or "sue" <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
I even go as far as standing up for the original artwork and creativity of NS and hate the threads or topics that are related to making NS's creativity and art aspect "better" in one conceited minded person. If you want to edit and manipulate things go maipulate CS,HL,other mods that don't care what its community does. I clearly see from what the dev's and moderators posted that the NS team is more touchy on the "originality" factor.
Great examples of manipulated art came from HL such as Neil Man's THEY HUNGER. Everymodel was manipulated to make his own creation...great! I loved THEY HUNGER. Just don't manipulate NS because thats like changing Neils They hunger into a third manipulation. Hard to explain but if you get what i'm saying good, if not, get education. It doesn't matter hoe bad my spelling or grammar is. It depends on if you can "infer" things as you would probobly learn in college.
the NS team cant be held responsible for any replacement models the fans make, so there is no reason to worry about any of this copyright crap as far as that goes. fox cannot fox NS if joe modeler decides to redo the entire set of xenomorph models with "Aliens" aliens..unless they officially support it or something. and just because its not for profit doesnt mean it isnt breaking copyright law. though on the other hand, you probably cant get sued or anything that drastic for something like fan art distributed over the net for free.
also, you really should at least try to get the original authers permission before converting someone elses model from one mod to the another, out of common courtesy if nothing else. just because 'no one does it' doesnt mean thats how things should work. if you want to pss into the wind, go for it. just dont be supprized when people get angery.
unless the model is edited in a way and the model isnt an exact replica of soemone elses hard work it is not truely the former artists model.it has been edited ...even in the slightest way..then the former modeler can not do anything about it since it has been changed
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eh, trying to ask permision is probably a good idea, though not necesary (so long as you are willing to stop if they tell you to)
bah, basicaly what I would like to point out is that Infinitum is simply trying to HELP you ppl out, he is just posting up a warning of what COULD happen if you infringe on some ones stuff, so be forewarned so you don't have to deal with it.
If you want to ignore him, feel free, just don't shoot the bloody messanger.
bah /me goes off mumbeling about nice people always getting yelled at
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that is completely wrong. i can construct a crappy spoiler made out of balsa wood and glue to my honda, but that fails to make the car my creation. takeing someone elses model and moving a few verts around and doing a crappy recolor of the skin does not make the base of that "work" null and void.
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If someone asks you to take it off, then do so, but otherwise dont worry about it. And no one actually asks permission to convert.
ya did a great job making it no doubt about that...but often times makers dont take into consideration of how bad teamwork can really be. (health station for marines would be nice) (my only gameplay rant)
but if you dont nuture the modding community your mod will die. Yeah u did alot of work making your guns and animations but not everybody likes Stock. the moaning and law suit bitching that this thread turn'd into is just ghey. you can take/alter do whatever to anybodys work as long as you provide proper credit and its non-profit. n'ff said.
I'm sure the Developers WANT a growing Customization-Community(?) but also they're VERY professional in all aspects of this Mod, that includes the copyright/law thing. So they're very cautiunous(?) about every possible copyiriht infrigment(?) to prevent this mod from being foxed.
I can fully understand this behavior, as noone wants this Mod or any future Customization of this Mod being shut down just because someone forgot to ask for permission to alter (INSERT YOUR MODEL/SKIN/SOUND HERE)...
what the **obscenity** Is wrong with you?
People BE FRIGGEN ORIGNAL, MAKE YOUR OWN ideas you know what that will do for this mod? it will make this mod athousand times better.
and btw He's not a Geek, he merely went to school I learned this type of stuff in J.high school. Pay attention you might learn something, aswell As you should talk hanging out on an Interent Message board doesn't exactly make you ungeek.
I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of this I just hope to God you guys start doing something useful and making your OWN models, I bet if you do make your own ideas you'll prolly end up getting something In game, as well as a Possible Job.
You have to also realize we have a large amount of "youngsters" on the net and they simply can't grasp the word "lawsuit" or "sue" <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
I even go as far as standing up for the original artwork and creativity of NS and hate the threads or topics that are related to making NS's creativity and art aspect "better" in one conceited minded person. If you want to edit and manipulate things go maipulate CS,HL,other mods that don't care what its community does. I clearly see from what the dev's and moderators posted that the NS team is more touchy on the "originality" factor.
Great examples of manipulated art came from HL such as Neil Man's THEY HUNGER. Everymodel was manipulated to make his own creation...great! I loved THEY HUNGER. Just don't manipulate NS because thats like changing Neils They hunger into a third manipulation. Hard to explain but if you get what i'm saying good, if not, get education. It doesn't matter hoe bad my spelling or grammar is. It depends on if you can "infer" things as you would probobly learn in college.
also, you really should at least try to get the original authers permission before converting someone elses model from one mod to the another, out of common courtesy if nothing else. just because 'no one does it' doesnt mean thats how things should work. if you want to pss into the wind, go for it. just dont be supprized when people get angery.
bah, basicaly what I would like to point out is that Infinitum is simply trying to HELP you ppl out, he is just posting up a warning of what COULD happen if you infringe on some ones stuff, so be forewarned so you don't have to deal with it.
If you want to ignore him, feel free, just don't shoot the bloody messanger.
bah /me goes off mumbeling about nice people always getting yelled at
that is completely wrong. i can construct a crappy spoiler made out of balsa wood and glue to my honda, but that fails to make the car my creation. takeing someone elses model and moving a few verts around and doing a crappy recolor of the skin does not make the base of that "work" null and void.