Some Of The Leetest **** I Have Ever Read.
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<div class="IPBDescription">read this. do it.</div> <!--QuoteBegin-someone's livejournal+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (someone's livejournal)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and
tried to light it?
Did you know his trial is over?
Did you know he was sentenced?
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?
Didn't think so.
Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.
<!--QuoteBegin-transcript+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (transcript)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.
Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say.
His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I ought not apologize for my actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country."
Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below, a stinging condemnation of Reid in particular and terrorists in general:
January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid.
Judge Young:
Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon
you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General.
On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other.
That's 80 years.
On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive
to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million.
The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American
Airlines.
The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.
The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it.
But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.
This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.
Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist coconspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before.
There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.
Here in this court, where we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals.
As human beings, we reach out for justice.
You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist.
You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist.
To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature.
Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist...And we do not negotiate with terrorists.
We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists.
We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.
So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big.
You're no warrior. I know warriors.
You are a terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders.
In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal.
You're no big deal.
What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific.
What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?
I have listened respectfully to what you have to say.
And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing.
And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom.
Our individual freedom.
Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose,
to believe or not believe as we individually choose.
Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom.
They carry it everywhere from sea to shining sea.
It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom.
So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.
It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.
We are about it.
Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties.
Make no mistake though.
It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms.
Look around this courtroom.
Mark it well the world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.
Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.
Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see
that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done.
The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and
lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America.
That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten.
That flag stands for freedom. You know it always will.
Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?
We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Pass
this around.
Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say.
Powerful words that strike home.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
amen. flipping amen. i can't even believe what i just read. i mean.... what a shutdown. what a true and honest testament to our country. for all its faults, where else? honestly, where else? and all of you kids here in this great nation (many of you at this particular forum) who have nothing better to do with your comfortable middleclass life than to hate this place..
i have the sincerest and utmost pity for you.
Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and
tried to light it?
Did you know his trial is over?
Did you know he was sentenced?
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?
Didn't think so.
Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.
<!--QuoteBegin-transcript+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (transcript)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.
Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say.
His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I ought not apologize for my actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country."
Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below, a stinging condemnation of Reid in particular and terrorists in general:
January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid.
Judge Young:
Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon
you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General.
On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other.
That's 80 years.
On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive
to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million.
The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American
Airlines.
The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.
The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it.
But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.
This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.
Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist coconspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before.
There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.
Here in this court, where we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals.
As human beings, we reach out for justice.
You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist.
You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist.
To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature.
Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist...And we do not negotiate with terrorists.
We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists.
We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.
So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big.
You're no warrior. I know warriors.
You are a terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders.
In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal.
You're no big deal.
What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific.
What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?
I have listened respectfully to what you have to say.
And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing.
And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom.
Our individual freedom.
Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose,
to believe or not believe as we individually choose.
Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom.
They carry it everywhere from sea to shining sea.
It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom.
So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.
It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.
We are about it.
Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties.
Make no mistake though.
It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms.
Look around this courtroom.
Mark it well the world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.
Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.
Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see
that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done.
The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and
lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America.
That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten.
That flag stands for freedom. You know it always will.
Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?
We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Pass
this around.
Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say.
Powerful words that strike home.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
amen. flipping amen. i can't even believe what i just read. i mean.... what a shutdown. what a true and honest testament to our country. for all its faults, where else? honestly, where else? and all of you kids here in this great nation (many of you at this particular forum) who have nothing better to do with your comfortable middleclass life than to hate this place..
i have the sincerest and utmost pity for you.
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i was thinking the same thing. it's cliche but it really fits.
<!--QuoteBegin-DuoGodOfDeath+Feb 27 2005, 03:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuoGodOfDeath @ Feb 27 2005, 03:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> TBH he in my mind should get the death penelty<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That would be disregarding the great diginity that our court system is. You read that speech just like I did, how can you still talk of death sentences. The entire speech expounds upon how our nation values liberty, how even someone who hates this place so completely, as that fellow does, still gets the same fair trial as everyone else.
Please think about what it would mean, of the great irony it would be, to execute someone, after claiming to be fair and unbiased.
Perhaps you were just joking. But don't claim that if you weren't originally joking.
Did I read that right?
...
Please.
GJ posting an email forward though.
He joined a fighting force? He's a soldier. He's also a terrorist.
Similarly, US soldiers are terrorists. But they aren't terrorizing us, they're terrorizing the enemy. Just like the enemy is doing to the US.
He joined a fighting force? He's a soldier. He's also a terrorist.
Similarly, US soldiers are terrorists. But they aren't terrorizing us, they're terrorizing the enemy. Just like the enemy is doing to the US. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Considering our country was founded by revolutionaries, which is basically a Euphemism for terrorists, I can understand where you are going with that.
But the line is too vague. At what point do we define this as this and that as that?
Is there even a line? Or is it a gradient?
He joined a fighting force? He's a soldier. He's also a terrorist.
Similarly, US soldiers are terrorists. But they aren't terrorizing us, they're terrorizing the enemy. Just like the enemy is doing to the US. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are many reasons why you're wrong. A soldier is a professional combatant, adhering to the international laws of warfare. A terrorist's sole purpose is to incite terror.
The old line of "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is a load of steaming cat<span style='color:red'>****</span>, and equating military actions with terrorism equally so.
<span style='color:red'>Do not evade the swear filters again. They are there for a reason. -Talesin</span>
He joined a fighting force? He's a soldier. He's also a terrorist.
Similarly, US soldiers are terrorists. But they aren't terrorizing us, they're terrorizing the enemy. Just like the enemy is doing to the US. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are many reasons why you're wrong. A soldier is a professional combatant, adhering to the international laws of warfare. A terrorist's sole purpose is to incite terror.
The old line of "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is a load of steaming cat****, and equating military actions with terrorism equally so. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Certain countries used to shove guns into the hands of children and put them into battle. They were called soldiers. But they sure as hell weren't proffessional combatants.
And this nation's founding fathers? All those militias, the minutemen and such, I don't think they were the epitome of professional.
The difference between them and this specific brand of terrorist of course is ideology. I don't think they are trying to free anyone from anyone else, that's for sure.
skull of a 17 year old middle eastern girl. the object in her head was classified as "shrapnel".
what from?
oh... a <i>SOLDIER</i>?
negative. Esuna, i know what you're trying to say, but your interpretation definitely applies to a MINORITY and not a majority.
Agreed. The (colonial) fighters of the American Revolution were fighting for various freedoms and to be liberated from unjust governening and unfair taxation. This guy was planning to blow up his shoes to dishearten the american people, becuase they don't like us.
can't stop the truth, kida <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
He joined a fighting force? He's a soldier. He's also a terrorist.
Similarly, US soldiers are terrorists. But they aren't terrorizing us, they're terrorizing the enemy. Just like the enemy is doing to the US. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are many reasons why you're wrong. A soldier is a professional combatant, adhering to the international laws of warfare. A terrorist's sole purpose is to incite terror. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, a soldier is a combatant in a group with other combatants. Not necessarily professional.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The old line of "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" is a load of steaming cat<span style='color:red'>****</span>, and equating military actions with terrorism equally so.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
... One of the main military strategies is to incite terror in the enemy. If your enemy is afraid of you, then half of the battle is won. You can get your enemy's followers to turn against their leader, you can get civilians in the hostile country to turn against their leader, you can even scare the leader in to submitting without ever having to fire a shot. Fear is a powerful motivator and it's stupid for ANY country not to use fear to their advantage.
You go become invaded by a country with huge military power and NOT be afraid when you see the tanks rolling.
Do you know why guns tend to look so cool? What about tanks and other fighting vehicles? They're designed to be functional, but they're also designed to intimidate the enemy. Seeing a tank rolling towards you is <b>scary</b>. Seeing a gun pointed at you is <b>scary</b>.
Please, explain to me how I'm wrong. Do you think that every single non-hostile civilian in every single country that the US has ever invaded has been happy to see that they were invaded? It's quite ignorant to think so, and if you can't understand my logic here, then there's simply no point in saying anything else to you.
Oh, and for note. Does this prisoner ever have a chance at parole? If he doesn't, I would just execute him. There's no point in punishing someone if they're not going to have a chance to change their ways, so just shoot him and be done with it. Either way, he's going to come to a bad end.
[EDIT:] <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This guy was planning to blow up his shoes to dishearten the american people, becuase they don't like us.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How do you know that he wasn't doing that because he felt that HIS peoples' way of life was being threatened by the Americans?
[EDIT 2:] <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->skull of a 17 year old middle eastern girl. the object in her head was classified as "shrapnel".
what from?
oh... a SOLDIER?
negative.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you honestly think that the US hasn't done the same or worse, if that's what you're saying? (Forgive me if I misinterpreted you.)
Agreed. The (colonial) fighters of the American Revolution were fighting for various freedoms and to be liberated from unjust governening and unfair taxation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
At least that's what they were told. The revolution itself was incited by a bunch of greedy merchants who felt that they needed a bigger slice of the pie.
It just so happens that the opiate they used to convince people to join their side prevailed as the dominant ideology of the country they ended up establishing.
well i thought it was a given that the US had killed civilians. unacceptable but very real casualties.
and yet...
this has always been during an effort to destroy military targets or combatant targets.
killing civilians specifically = targeting of noncombatants != war
end of discussion? or can you turn that around somehow? because i'm trying in my head but i just can't.
well i thought it was a given that the US had killed civilians. unacceptable but very real casualties.
and yet...
this has always been during an effort to destroy military targets or combatant targets.
killing civilians specifically = targeting of noncombatants != war
end of discussion? or can you turn that around somehow? because i'm trying in my head but i just can't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You make a good point, but it hasn't always been an effort to destroy military or combatant targets. While that may be the whole idea, the individual soldiers don't always reflect the whole. I'd be willing to bet that soldiers currently in Iraq have killed civilians just because they felt like it [edit:] or as some kind of hate for Iraqis as a whole, even civilians, and it was covered up by their unit or not reported by the press. Such was the case in Vietnam and surely WWII and every other war, was it not?
Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and
tried to light it?
Did you know his trial is over?
Did you know he was sentenced?
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?
Didn't think so.
Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.
<!--QuoteBegin-transcript+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (transcript)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.
Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say.
His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I ought not apologize for my actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country."
Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below, a stinging condemnation of Reid in particular and terrorists in general:
January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid.
Judge Young:
Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon
you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General.
On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other.
That's 80 years.
On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive
to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million.
The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American
Airlines.
The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.
The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it.
But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.
This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.
Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist coconspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before.
There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.
Here in this court, where we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals.
As human beings, we reach out for justice.
You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist.
You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist.
To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature.
Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist...And we do not negotiate with terrorists.
We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists.
We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.
So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big.
You're no warrior. I know warriors.
You are a terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders.
In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal.
You're no big deal.
What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific.
What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?
I have listened respectfully to what you have to say.
And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing.
And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom.
Our individual freedom.
Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose,
to believe or not believe as we individually choose.
Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom.
They carry it everywhere from sea to shining sea.
It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom.
So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.
It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.
We are about it.
Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties.
Make no mistake though.
It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms.
Look around this courtroom.
Mark it well the world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.
Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.
Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see
that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done.
The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and
lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America.
That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten.
That flag stands for freedom. You know it always will.
Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?
We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Pass
this around.
Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say.
Powerful words that strike home.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
amen. flipping amen. i can't even believe what i just read. i mean.... what a shutdown. what a true and honest testament to our country. for all its faults, where else? honestly, where else? and all of you kids here in this great nation (many of you at this particular forum) who have nothing better to do with your comfortable middleclass life than to hate this place..
i have the sincerest and utmost pity for you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL MIDDLECLASS
Do you think that I'd **** if I honestly "had it easy"
This judge is just regurgitating the same political rhetioric that everyone hears everyday.
We don't need judges like him, we need judges that will do their jobs based on provided evidence and judge accordingly, not pretend to be some sort of hero of the people.
Sorry and I know this will **** you off but honestly if you believe in anything that this country <i>used</i> to stand for then you'll be glad I'm able to voice my opinion.
And I doubt Reid thought "Damn, he's right". I prefer to think Reid thought "Damn, you should burn in Hell". Can't see him changing his beliefs, he probably hates America even more after having some pompous judge preach at him.
Mr. Young obviously believes in the concept of justice he represents. He puts it up in a little more shining colors than I would, but I've got to respect his belief. Which is why I pity him for being judge in a country that dances on parts of this very speech as it is made. Reid got a fair trial. Many others don't. Until that's remedied, the United States don't deserve people like this judge.
Zig, even the most precise artillery equipment used by the US armed forces in urban combat tends to have error quotas of upwards of twelve percent. Seeing that this is known and seeingly accepted as a necessity of war, I can't really accept the argument of an attempted reduction of civil casualties. As for the insilling of terror in the enemy's heart, the action wasn't called 'Operation Shock & Awe' for no reason at all.
Mr. Young obviously believes in the concept of justice he represents. He puts it up in a little more shining colors than I would, but I've got to respect his belief. Which is why I pity him for being judge in a country that dances on parts of this very speech as it is made. Reid got a fair trial. Many others don't. Until that's remedied, the United States don't deserve people like this judge.
Zig, even the most precise artillery equipment used by the US armed forces in urban combat tends to have error quotas of upwards of twelve percent. Seeing that this is known and seeingly accepted as a necessity of war, I can't really accept the argument of an attempted reduction of civil casualties. As for the insilling of terror in the enemy's heart, the action wasn't called 'Operation Shock & Awe' for no reason at all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
...But it's a war on terror!
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Judge: "Now you're sentenced, I'm going to give you a long speech about the values of the USA..."
Convict: "Oh, God, no! Please, kill me instead!"
Judge: "Blah blah blah freedom blah blah stars and stripes blah sea to shining sea blahdignity blah blah blah a nation undivided blah blah we shall fight them on the beaches blah blah..."
Convict: "Aaaaiiiieeeeeeeeeeee!"
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A slap to zig, though, for spoiling an awesome speach with "YEAH, SO TAKE THAT YOU GOD DAMN MIDDLE CLASS KIDDIES!"
Esuna, i know what you're trying to say, but your interpretation definitely applies to a MINORITY and not a majority. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ok, that's creepy, how did you know i would read this thread?
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