New Kharaa Strat (10v10)+

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• SLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation

  March 2005

  whoa nice job! gotta convince people...,

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• im_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members

  March 2005

  That sounds like it could actually work, though I would never play on a server with that many people.

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• theclam Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30290Members

  March 2005

  If the comm is smart enough to drop shotguns and the marines are smart enough to take down the OCs, then the aliens waste tons of res. Even if the marines lose a shotgun for every OC they kill, they still come out ahead. Handgrenades will hurt you too, because the marines will be able to take down OCs easily with only a 20 res initial investment. If the marines play aggressively, then lots of aliens will die. Lots of marines will die, too, but they can drop another IP to compensate, while the aliens have to drop a hive. You'll be undermanned until your second hive goes up. You better hope your fade is good and lucky, because if he dies, you won't be able to get another one for quite a while, because everyone spent res on OCs.
  
  In 10v10, this is what I'd do:
  Best Fade/Skulk to go Fade
  Second Best Skulk to drop the Hive
  3 Skulks to Gorge, drop RTs, and go Skulk until they have enough to go Fade
  One decent Skulk to drop chambers
  4 Skulks to go Lerk
  
  4 Lerks can keep every major chokepoint gassed for the whole game. If your skulks are smart about scouting, then you will be able to spot every attack on your hives. Then your lerks go there and gas the marines to death. The aliens should play defensively. Keep the marines contained, let the skulks kill the RTs, but don't make any major pushes or risky moves.
  
  Let the marines take one hive, as long as it's not the middle one. If they turret it up, then they wasted a lot of res, and once umbra comes along, you can take it out easily. If they don't turret it up, then you'll be able to take it down with an organized attack.
  
  Once your second hive is up, you can have one lerk permanently follow the fade around, using gas and spores to help him out. SCs are a good idea, because Focus works very well with spores.
  
  If your one of lerks dies, then he can recap some RTs with the RFK he got and one of the skulks that intitially dropped RTs can go fade or lerk to fill their spot.
  
  You either get tons of RFK and marine deaths, or the comm has to waste tons of res on medpacks and welders, assuming your lerks are decent.
  
  In large games, the aliens start out OK, but they tend to slow down, and by the time you need the second hive and a fade, it's quite late, and you've likely already lost. Early lerks will compensate for that, by giving you a strong early game, keeping your team alive until fades and a second hive come out.

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• B_o_z_o Join Date: 2003-01-20 Member: 12496Members

  March 2005 edited March 2005

  <!--QuoteBegin-SDJason+Mar 2 2005, 12:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SDJason @ Mar 2 2005, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is a strat ive thought through but have not been able to try, its reallly generic, but upon suggesting it, all i get is "omg it wont work cuz of this" or "this will beat it"
  
  <a href='http://www.users.muohio.edu/LangJV/gooddemo.dem' target='_blank'>http://www.users.muohio.edu/LangJV/gooddemo.dem</a>
  
  ~Jason <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Glad you posted it here too b/c I can't connect to the link on NSA <!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  
  ps - Rapier is hilarious

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• CombatJoe Join Date: 2003-09-11 Member: 20768Members

  March 2005 edited March 2005

  theclam,
  <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If the comm is smart enough to drop shotguns and the marines are smart enough to take down the OCs, then the aliens waste tons of res. Even if the marines lose a shotgun for every OC they kill, they still come out ahead. Handgrenades will hurt you too, because the marines will be able to take down OCs easily with only a 20 res initial investment. If the marines play aggressively, then lots of aliens will die. Lots of marines will die, too, but they can drop another IP to compensate, while the aliens have to drop a hive. You'll be undermanned until your second hive goes up. You better hope your fade is good and lucky, because if he dies, you won't be able to get another one for quite a while, because everyone spent res on OCs.
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  Effective use of shotguns can kill a lot of alien strategies. You didn't really explain how utilizing a defended, concentrated chokepoint is less safe than any other mode of defense or attack. With 2 gorges healspraying, it is extremely difficult to kill a group of 4 OCs. With skulks waiting in the wings, you'll probably lose the whole force of marines when they empty their clips into one OC and most are reloading. I can't think of a much easier way to kill shotgunners then when most are distracted and/or dry on ammo.
  
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  In 10v10, this is what I'd do:
  Best Fade/Skulk to go Fade
  Second Best Skulk to drop the Hive
  3 Skulks to Gorge, drop RTs, and go Skulk until they have enough to go Fade
  One decent Skulk to drop chambers
  4 Skulks to go Lerk
  
  4 Lerks can keep every major chokepoint gassed for the whole game. If your skulks are smart about scouting, then you will be able to spot every attack on your hives. Then your lerks go there and gas the marines to death. The aliens should play defensively. Keep the marines contained, let the skulks kill the RTs, but don't make any major pushes or risky moves.
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  You make a pretty good point; lerks are pretty good against early marines, even if they have shotguns. However, lerks don't offer as much area denial as they do harrasment and attrition. A group of 4 shotgunners can move from node to node blasting them down quickly and moving on. Medpacks will keep them alive, thought at a cost. Even when faced with one lerk, i typicaly tell my marines to ignore it and move on.
  
  Slowing their progress is good, but what Jason is trying to go for is a complete denial of sections of the map. A team of 6-8 shotgunners can march straight to the hive and take it down long before they die of spores or scattered skulks. 4 OCs, 2 gorges, and 2 skulks in an advantageous position stand a much better chance of stopping such a force. Even if the marines destroy the chokepoint, all you've lost are 2 gorges, 2 skulks, and 4 OCs. If you lose a battle in the hiveroom then you've lost the hive.
  
  Also, good lerks are far more rare than good skulks; lerks that aren't good are a complete waste. One mistake and they're almost always killed, and new lerks make a lot of mistakes. Healspraying and skulking takes a different and more common kind of skill. Either strategy is hard to pull off; it's hard to get a public team of that size to co-operate in a clan fashion, and you need every person to give it a good chance of success. By the same token, it's difficult to find a marine team willing to work together enough to defeat a good kharaa strategy.
  
  Why is it difficult to get people to try a new strategy? NS Games are more stressful than they are fun. It doesn't take much to lose a game; a fade misses a blink or swipe, someone drops the wrong chamber, a vital structure is rushed and destroyed in seconds. People don't like to risk wasting their time on what they think is a different strategy; it's hard enough to win when they're doing what they know works, how do we justify trying another strategy? Losing in NS is too painful and obvious, that's why they don't like to try new things. As a commander I can tell 3-5 minutes in wether or not my team will win, the signs are very clear. When i realize that we can't win, the next 10-20 minutes are just a slow torture till merciful death. When i think that we can win, and we still lose; it was a good game, i was surprised by the outcome and how well the aliens played, despite my own team playing well. I leave with some satisfaction despite the loss. An obvious and drawn out loss doesn't leave any satisfaction.
  
  I don't know how to make the game less stressful, i do know that at the start of a new release people are MUCH more willing to try new and crazy things. It would be great if everyone tried to do a traditional strategies from the start; we might not find ourselves in a rut like i think we're in now.

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• SDJason Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16841Members

  March 2005

  <!--QuoteBegin-CombatJoe+Mar 2 2005, 04:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CombatJoe @ Mar 2 2005, 04:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> theclam,
  <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If the comm is smart enough to drop shotguns and the marines are smart enough to take down the OCs, then the aliens waste tons of res. Even if the marines lose a shotgun for every OC they kill, they still come out ahead. Handgrenades will hurt you too, because the marines will be able to take down OCs easily with only a 20 res initial investment. If the marines play aggressively, then lots of aliens will die. Lots of marines will die, too, but they can drop another IP to compensate, while the aliens have to drop a hive. You'll be undermanned until your second hive goes up. You better hope your fade is good and lucky, because if he dies, you won't be able to get another one for quite a while, because everyone spent res on OCs.
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  Effective use of shotguns can kill a lot of alien strategies. You didn't really explain how utilizing a defended, concentrated chokepoint is less safe than any other mode of defense or attack. With 2 gorges healspraying, it is extremely difficult to kill a group of 4 OCs. With skulks waiting in the wings, you'll probably lose the whole force of marines when they empty their clips into one OC and most are reloading. I can't think of a much easier way to kill shotgunners then when most are distracted and/or dry on ammo.
  
  <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
  In 10v10, this is what I'd do:
  Best Fade/Skulk to go Fade
  Second Best Skulk to drop the Hive
  3 Skulks to Gorge, drop RTs, and go Skulk until they have enough to go Fade
  One decent Skulk to drop chambers
  4 Skulks to go Lerk
  
  4 Lerks can keep every major chokepoint gassed for the whole game. If your skulks are smart about scouting, then you will be able to spot every attack on your hives. Then your lerks go there and gas the marines to death. The aliens should play defensively. Keep the marines contained, let the skulks kill the RTs, but don't make any major pushes or risky moves.
  <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  
  You make a pretty good point; lerks are pretty good against early marines, even if they have shotguns. However, lerks don't offer as much area denial as they do harrasment and attrition. A group of 4 shotgunners can move from node to node blasting them down quickly and moving on. Medpacks will keep them alive, thought at a cost. Even when faced with one lerk, i typicaly tell my marines to ignore it and move on.
  
  Slowing their progress is good, but what Jason is trying to go for is a complete denial of sections of the map. A team of 6-8 shotgunners can march straight to the hive and take it down long before they die of spores or scattered skulks. 4 OCs, 2 gorges, and 2 skulks in an advantageous position stand a much better chance of stopping such a force. Even if the marines destroy the chokepoint, all you've lost are 2 gorges, 2 skulks, and 4 OCs. If you lose a battle in the hiveroom then you've lost the hive.
  
  Also, good lerks are far more rare than good skulks; lerks that aren't good are a complete waste. One mistake and they're almost always killed, and new lerks make a lot of mistakes. Healspraying and skulking takes a different and more common kind of skill. Either strategy is hard to pull off; it's hard to get a public team of that size to co-operate in a clan fashion, and you need every person to give it a good chance of success. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
  You are completely correct....
  
  Notes:
  
  -With Lack of RFK, the marines dont have enough res to, say, drop 10 shotties...(if they do however and the marines are good, nearly all alien strats are killed)
  
  - ALien chokepoints with healspraying gorges, chamber's, camped skulks, ect are hard to take, no denying this...
  
  -You are right about the lack of fade's midgame and lack of any lerks, possibly change it to 2 oc's per chokepoint, plus an early lerk at each chokepoint?? Or maybe one less resnode capped early game (get 5 by 4 minutes instead) and haev an extra fade?
  
  Im open to suggestions within my main aim which is:
  -Deny Marines RFK
  -Utilize Chokepoints and Area Denial to Hold the Map(res) for aliens

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• Manos Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1956Members

  March 2005

  tbh i realy like the doctrine of Chokepoints.
  early aliens often lack the attacking power to recapture postions (like the 2nd hive)
  
  
  btw i think lerks added with gorges are the perfect defenders of the oc walls.

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• bmdavll Join Date: 2004-09-13 Member: 31682Members

  March 2005

  Exactly my thoughts from my experience playing on the 24-man Classic NSArmslab server. This strategy is logical, sound, and virtually unfallible if executed correctly, and provided the alien team has 2 good fades and decent skulks who take down marine res.

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• SDJason Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16841Members

  March 2005

  <!--QuoteBegin-bmdavll+Mar 3 2005, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (bmdavll @ Mar 3 2005, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Exactly my thoughts from my experience playing on the 24-man Classic NSArmslab server. This strategy is logical, sound, and virtually unfallible if executed correctly, and provided the alien team has 2 good fades and decent skulks who take down marine res. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Reading through my post i dont think i ever mention it, but NSA classic is where im trying to get this done...
  
  Next time ur on let me know..... we can mic spam those aliens into submission <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  
  ~Jason

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• Kobayashi Join Date: 2003-07-05 Member: 17956Members

  March 2005 edited March 2005

  From my experience, The commander can usually afford to use the shotgun res and just seige out one of the chokepoints after capping nodes. And seiges don't require teamwork. Just a pack of mines or 2, sometimes not even. The com can just delay dropping those shotguns while he seiges, then recycle them and get most of the res back.
  
  EDIT:: if you have enough chambers to make the room hard to take, then it's worth seiging. If it's not worth seiging, then the chambers aren't going to help defend the chokepoint much.

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• SmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members

  March 2005

  It depends on the map really. Some maps are easier to lame up than others, so it's probably worth taking the risk.
  
  Tanith is a good example of chokepoints. If you are alien and have either Sat or Fusion hive, your #1 priority should be to lame up chemical transport (first room out of satcom). This will guarantee you 2 hives and 5 res nodes (starting node included). Once this is accomplished, the aliens just need to focus on protecting cargo as 5 res nodes is enough for fades, onoses, etc.
  
  So based on what I have experienced, it comes down to map designs. Some maps won't have good choke points like agora or are easily sieged like hera. The smaller the map, the easier it will be to produce a WoL strategy like this.

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• SDJason Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16841Members

  March 2005

  <!--QuoteBegin-Kobayashi+Mar 3 2005, 09:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kobayashi @ Mar 3 2005, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> From my experience, The commander can usually afford to use the shotgun res and just seige out one of the chokepoints after capping nodes. And seiges don't require teamwork. Just a pack of mines or 2, sometimes not even. The com can just delay dropping those shotguns while he seiges, then recycle them and get most of the res back.
  
  EDIT:: if you have enough chambers to make the room hard to take, then it's worth seiging. If it's not worth seiging, then the chambers aren't going to help defend the chokepoint much. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Thats waht i want them to do.... Siege
  
  
  It takes time, and the only effect the chokepoints have is holding until the 2nd hive is up.......
  
  I specified specifically that IF marines are busy sieging a chokepoint, then they ARE NOT recapping the nodes of thiers you are taking down, AND TIME IS STILL PASSING, wasting away the time until that hive is operational.....
  
  Also, marines without RFK early game will be hard pressed to find res for shotguns/ect to spare...
  
  ~Jason

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• Church Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation

  March 2005

  The only problem with this strategy is that you probably will not have enough time to properly set up more than one chokepoint before the marines get there. Marines typically move out immediately, and can, for example, get to Comp Core from MS in Eclipse in about 35 seconds, which isn't much longer than a gorge gestation time.
  
  If the mariens are very aggressive way early on, which good marine teams would be, there's going to be trouble setting up the OCs.

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• Gillie Join Date: 2005-03-07 Member: 44073Members

  March 2005 edited March 2005

  I know where he got this idea from.
  
  I've had a few pub games on Tanith where we started from either cargo (what is that, fusion?) or satcom. About half the team (4 or 5...can't remember) dropped nodes, one for hive one for fade. One guy dropped a couple oc's on the upper ledge in chemtran, and someone else dropped a couple on the boxes in cargo.
  
  A couple guys re-skulked and hung out in that area. (well, everyone else re-skulked, except the two who dropped oc's) As more res came to the gorges, they added more lame, more oc's, some dc's, etc. Marines would filter in one or two a time into chemtran from the outside, and they'd get owned by the oc's and waiting skulk or two, or spat to death, or w/e. Same for cargo. The rest of the skulks played as normal...this includes enough traffic through the middle to double to keep marines out of that area in general.
  
  Up until the 7th or 8th minute, when we had both hives and were fighting for the 3rd, marines were still trickling in one or two through that hallway. They finally took that lame down with 3 guys with hmg's and another with a gl.
  
  
  Anyway, I think the gorge in chemtran got enough RFK to send his babblers to college.

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• Cheese Lork on the Clorf Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24396Members, Constellation

  March 2005

  lame them with the new WoL. Olol...just had to post this in here because Church also did a post in this topic <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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• Church Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation

  March 2005

  I think this strategy is very, VERY map dependant. On Tanith is can work wonders. On Veil...good luck. Of course, if even ONE of your OC team fails and gets killed in the beginning becuase of aggressive marines, then the otehr OCs are much les effective becuase marines can now just go around. Flawless execution, and a marine team that doesn't move out quickly seem to be requirements for this strat.
  
  Oh yeah, and you said move out and cap the 4 nodes closest to your hive...let's say you have Eclipse hive. How...pray tell, will you be able to hold the 4 closest nodes against marines? Triad, Station Acces Alpha, Power Sub Junction, and Computer Core are the 4 closest. Power Sub and CC you can hold reasonably easily, but I bet marines will cap Station before you can, and they can shoot down Triad.
  
  Dependant on the map, with this strategy you will NOT be covering enough ground. If the map isn't like Tanith, where you have a lot of RTs behind a few chokepoints that you can usually lame up, then your Res nodes WILL go down due to your WOLs needing to be maintained and guarded, and you don't have the manpower to stop the 9 marines (who are teching nicely because you aren't devoting skulks to chomping their nodes).
  
  #1 Strategy for marines on Tanith: Rush Cargo either thru the central corridor or through Chem transport. If your hive is Waste, for example, there's no way you can stop marines who get out of base from the beginning, go thru Chem, and head to Cargo. They cna be in Cargo within 30-40 seconds.
  
  I still stand by what I said before: Aggressive marines have a good chance of shutting your game down before you have a chance to execute it, but if the marines are just hanging around base, humping the armory, by all means use this strategy. Of course, on Tanith, a few SCs can stop marines just as easily, imho.

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• Gecko_God_Of_Dooom Join Date: 2004-02-10 Member: 26353Members

  March 2005

  ive seen this work alot. But you have to stop the itial push.

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• SLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation

  March 2005

  <!--QuoteBegin-Gillie+Mar 17 2005, 02:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gillie @ Mar 17 2005, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
  Anyway, I think the gorge in chemtran got enough RFK to send his babblers to college. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Just got new sig!
  
  And yes this is really efficient if you have even some res flow.

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• Gillie Join Date: 2005-03-07 Member: 44073Members

  March 2005

  <!--QuoteBegin-SLizer+Mar 24 2005, 01:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SLizer @ Mar 24 2005, 01:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gillie+Mar 17 2005, 02:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gillie @ Mar 17 2005, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
  Anyway, I think the gorge in chemtran got enough RFK to send his babblers to college. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  Just got new sig!
  
  And yes this is really efficient if you have even some res flow. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
  hehehe I'm in a sig. WOOT!!!

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• NukeAJS Join Date: 2004-05-04 Member: 28443Members

  April 2005

  It would work in some instances but it will fail in others ... pretty much like EVERY strategy in NS. If there was a rock-solid strategy in NS it wouldn't be too much fun.
  
  If the commander drops shotties and the skulks aren't advancing (scouting) you are going to have two areas you are holding go down before a viable force can be assembled to take them down. If they have phase gates and superior positioning (next to a res node for instance) then you lost that res, and that part of the map until several people can fade/onos.
  
  I still like it though.

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• jamespsx Join Date: 2003-10-16 Member: 21708Members

  April 2005

  this isnt really a unique idea, since this is in a sense, clan play...
  
  only problem is, ur making it sound as if the pubs DONT have n00bs from Russia or somewhere running round going "hehehehe ^_____^ res **** ftw!!!"
  
  making u loose a skulk guard, or a gorgey buddy, which sucks...
  
  overall gud strat, basic in its principles, effective because.... erm... it just it OK!?

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• jamespsx Join Date: 2003-10-16 Member: 21708Members

  April 2005 edited April 2005

  excuse the dbl post, but the quote points out something...
  
  <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If they have phase gates and superior positioning (next to a res node for instance) then you lost that res, and that part of the map until several people can fade/onos.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
  
  and so, u deni them access 2 that room... i mean, how can u capture a res node in a room with a few oc's and gorgey with regen and nearby dc's, and skulk bodyguard... + not rushing positions like that draws enemy out (r4k FTW BABEH!) against campers wont give them more res, making the comm get a lil bit stressed...
  
  or, while ur gorges hold vital areas, do a near all out team cloak rush against the cc (like in that other topic) sure it might not work, but keep a few skulks behind 4 protection of some other areas, and uv got a well-oiled alien team, gaining res, and getting onos before jp and ha r in sight... then again, this is a completly diff strat in its own... but the 2 go together nicly... if the rush fails, marines have 2 contend with a layer of defence that can probebly only be sieged...

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• Church Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation

  April 2005

  The whole point is if marines sit around and LET the gorges lame up everything, then yes, the lame will help a lot? However, once marines break through at any one point (via an aggressive rush at the beginning), they can jyst go AROUND all the other points, and you've wasted a lot of res on OCs that a marine won't touch until much later.

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• Ambrosek Join Date: 2003-12-06 Member: 24018Members

  April 2005

  It requires teamworks and skillz jezzzz
  
  i have a question
  
  once a choke point is down, the entire area will be "Clear" by marines. ( Cuz no denfence except the chokepoints.
  Aliens need a few min to recover but marines can simply "distress" and phase in and start procee to next position.
  
  Is that mean " 1 chokepoint down = lose? "

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• Church Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation

  April 2005

  One chokepoint down = your defenses are severely compromised. If you investe heavily in those chokepoints, and even one goes down, the marines will have free access to almost anywhere because they can ignore your other chokepoints.

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