What You Guys Think?
Funkatron
Join Date: 2004-08-12 Member: 30551Members
Join Date: 2004-08-12 Member: 30551Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Co: Target Size</div> Just an observation:
The Hive, from what I can tell, is a larger target than the CC. Second, the hive also has more surface area and on some co_maps has the top of it exposed (by exposed I mean you can sit on it). And third, some co_maps have the CC standing real close to a wall, which mimizes its surface area.
So what I'm getting at it is, isn't this setup a bit biased? The most used alien attacks are melee and the most used rine attacks are obviously ranged. Late in the game, having multiple onoses and fades forces them to tightly crowd around the cc, as they are so large. Seems like this really mimizes the skill required for marines when they have to go on the defense (ie: spray at and nade-spam the cc area - hope you kill something). There are other situations as well, but I'm not going to write about them, just in case I'm overlooking something. In which case, I dont feel like writing a huge game-forum-essay just to have it shoved down my throat...
Not asking for a change, just wondering what you guys think about all this?
By the way, this is my first post in a long while. Just like to say great work on the new version guys. Really like the changes so far. And yeah, that trailer is amazing as well.
One more question, what is the plural for onos? Would it be Oni?
The Hive, from what I can tell, is a larger target than the CC. Second, the hive also has more surface area and on some co_maps has the top of it exposed (by exposed I mean you can sit on it). And third, some co_maps have the CC standing real close to a wall, which mimizes its surface area.
So what I'm getting at it is, isn't this setup a bit biased? The most used alien attacks are melee and the most used rine attacks are obviously ranged. Late in the game, having multiple onoses and fades forces them to tightly crowd around the cc, as they are so large. Seems like this really mimizes the skill required for marines when they have to go on the defense (ie: spray at and nade-spam the cc area - hope you kill something). There are other situations as well, but I'm not going to write about them, just in case I'm overlooking something. In which case, I dont feel like writing a huge game-forum-essay just to have it shoved down my throat...
Not asking for a change, just wondering what you guys think about all this?
By the way, this is my first post in a long while. Just like to say great work on the new version guys. Really like the changes so far. And yeah, that trailer is amazing as well.
One more question, what is the plural for onos? Would it be Oni?
Comments
Personally I think it's a more pressing concern that the alien team can exceed it's classic tech tree (eg have adren, silence, and celer) whereas marines cant (no jp ha madness).
Although you do have a valid point.
They can even crouch to take less room.
Throw in some fades that fight the defending marines and a primal screaming, umbraing lerk and this cc is down pretty fast.
Well at least I agree that the cc as the aliens' target isn't as big as the hive, but I think the only problem with that arise on public servers with FF on.
...on the other hand, imagine marines close to the hive receiving damage by direct hits of grenades from their teammates.
Exactly. If more than 1/3 of the alien team is fade/onos with enough upgrades to constantly be in marine start, then the time limit is set too high.
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There was a long topic/poll on that about a year ago, and there was no consensus. The most popular choices were onos, oni, and onii.
Onos' like with names ending in s, don't see many dougli going about huh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
or like sheep, 1 sheep 2 sheep 3 sheep... 1 onos 2 onos 3 onos
Basically whatever you like?!
Personally I think it's a more pressing concern that the alien team can exceed it's classic tech tree (eg have adren, silence, and celer) whereas marines cant (no jp ha madness).
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Yes, but in classic no comm can constantly throw ha/jp and heavy weapons at you
Back to topic:
Rines are supposed to attack and aliens to defend, that why alien win once the time has ellapsed <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And wouldnt it look a bit strange: normal sized hive in classic and mini-hive in co <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Plus, wasn't the singular of "Onos" ono at one time? If so, then Onos would be the plural.
If not, then given that vowels at the end of a word ending in "s" normally get truncated for a plural, then Onos would be the singluar, and Onii would be the plural form, much like virus, and virii.
Another thought regarding this topic... What about stationary defense in regards to this? By which I mean tools like landmines and webs? Although mines become kinda limited late in the game they are real good early on; you don't need many of them; and they don't really take any times to setup. Web on the otherhand has a maximum amount that can be put up; it's easy destroyed by the GL; and hive rooms can be very big. Also, in pubs, web in the hands of a new player can be bad for the team. You know, when some guy just spams the stuff in awful places, and you have to wait for it to be destroyed before a good-webber can go to work.
I guess it's how it technically should be since aliens are on the defense. Probably be much more alien sided if webbing was buffed in some way or another. The stuff can really get on my nerves sometimes when there's a good gorge and I'm a marine. Anyway, thoughts?
For some reason oni (own-eye) sounds best to me for the plural onos.
Oh and just for kicks... what if there was a new type of NS? I was thinking it'd be pi_map or ho_map. In this scenario, the exhausted commander wishes to relax and has made himself a pie. However, the marines become alerted that oni are approaching the base in hopes of eating the pie. So basically, the commander is forced to get back in the CC and help his marine team defend the pie. It's like CO really, but with aliens on the offense... offense fueled by pie aromas. Thoughts? What kind of pie perhaps? Kidney pie sounds appropriate, right?
lol
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cc = innate
hive = heals everything.
to make up for that, hive has to have some defect. So they make it bigeh!