Quitting Before The End Of The Match

WraithmanWraithman Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8600Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Where did all the men go?</div> I was playing today a couple of games, one as mairne and one as alien. In the marine game, we were not doing too bad and had even secured one of the aliens hives, then all of a sudden they get a 2nd hive and get fades and this guy who thinks he's some kind of superstar say "the have fades, we cant win now." and convinces a majority of the team to go to the ready room so the game will end. we werent even in that bad of a position. So they do and it ends up being me and 4 other marines trying to hold off 11 alien players. We refused to give up, unlike some people. So we actually manage to hold the aliens at bay from our main base, Without using turret spamming, for about 10 more minutes, and the whole time this guy who convinced half our team to quit is joining our team, swearing at us and telling us to quit wasting time, and then going back to the ready room, ect. we got wasted, of course. What were we supposed to do with those teams, but at least we tried.
I know that not all players are like this, but enough of them were on that server to ruin some good games. Why do people feel the need to give up when things start to go wrong for them. Anybody else have this happen? cause it seems like it happens to me alot. just venting though but This is not exactly a thing i'd like to see turn into a trend.

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  • Kung_FoolKung_Fool Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4092Members
    It´s not only this way in NS. I´ve seen it done several times in TFC, CS, The Specialists, AHL and various other multiplayer games. Either it´s bad sportsmanship or the players just cannot stand the tension, knowing that they will have to use their noggin´ instead of just sprayin´ and prayin´. It´s sad but that´s the way it is. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    On a side note: Why not try to search some servers with good and fair players? Public sucks anyway IMHO. In most cases not the game is bad but the peeps who play it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • FlatlineUTDFlatlineUTD Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7695Members
    The worst is when the losing team starts to quit, and then the remaining people start spamming "TEAMS!!!!! OMG!!!!"

    It's not the winning team's fault that people are sore losers.
  • VittoPBVittoPB Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7566Awaiting Authorization
    better yet, find a really good hiding spot and make the losers wait a heck of a long time for the next game. They will either find another server and begone or get so mad that instead of ruining the fun for the other...you ruin their fun.

    But its kind of a bad thing to do...but it works <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MadjaiMadjai Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2986Members
    quitting when they get the second hive is dumb, you should be getting Hmg and HA by then so you have a fighting chance.

    but i go to ready room all the time if i know its hopeless and i dont feel like spawning so some onos' can rape me.
  • UnitUnit Join Date: 2002-08-26 Member: 1230Members
    There are certain limits to quitting to end the game faster. I fight on as long as there's the slightest chance of us turning the game around, but during those hopeless situations I do go to Observer mode because it gets too frustrating and pointless, I think people should ONLY giveup under 2 conditions:

    1. Whole team of standard marines, resources at single-digit, while the Aliens are all Onos, all that's left is them charging in wave after wave to slowly destroy your buildings.

    2. Whole team of skulks/gorges, with 1 hive and single digit resource, while the marines all have GLs and HMGs and all that's left is them building those 6 sieges outside ur hive.
  • jDmEG6jDmEG6 Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9087Members
    i find it to be more fun cuz its more challenging to win
  • BrewBrew Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2572Members
    I was sort of annoyed earlier today.
    "random" actually got me marines (its about a 4:1 ratio, i ususally get aliens).
    We were sort of screwed when I joined, fades and onos attacking the base.
    But... only a few people were actually attacking.
    Just enough to stall the marines into actually doing anything else other than trying to rebuild turrets, get killed, and spawn back in.

    Curious, I went down to... maintenence access I believe, hid under the flooring, and took out their third hive.

    So demoralized were the marines at the constant attacks they'd been holding off, I couldn't get anyone to come with me to secure the MA hive location. Were only a few groups of chambers, we could have taken them out easy. But no, they were all about the "just recycle everything, Comm, and lets quit."

    I think we could have turned it around. From the looks of it, they never defended anything, but just pushed forward too fast.

    I dunno... would you people have given up at that point or pushed onward?

    We did eventually get killed once the MA was rebuilt and they got onos again <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    -Brew
  • atroposatropos Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7182Members
    It just all adds to the problem of the death spiral. You might be losing, sure, but not losing so bad you can't come back. But at a certain point, teams just stop trying to really win, and usually just defend forever and eventually just lose. But it takes forever if you're in one of these games if the losing team is still relatively competant. They can bunker in and defend for a good long time before they're finally finished, and it's very annoying trying to revitalize a team with a losing mentality. People really have to learn that it's not over until you have an onos in your actual base.
    -Atropos
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited November 2002
    The young of today are bred in with delusions of grandeur. "You can become anything! The world's your oyster". Raised to believe that they're tiny gods. Used to watch flicks with Heroes That Does Stuff! But gods don't lose, neither does a hero, and when the tiny gods are faced with that strange phenomenon called "losing" they get all uneasy and quit. Rather that than having to face that they aren't as perfect as they think. Rather than savour the defeat and analyze what went wrong, and how to not do it again next time. I don't wonder why so many don't like chess. It is probably knowing that when you lose, there's no bad weather, high latency or "stupid commander" to blame. Only your own faculties having lost to someone that has better trained ones than yours.
  • WraithmanWraithman Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8600Members
    I agree with everyone for sure, there are some people that only want to play if they are winning. most of the time when the alien or marine team is swarming all over you extremely early on, it's because they arnt playing defense at all. I've been in the same situation where they got 3 hives before we even got heavy armor and stuff and they were sieging our base. I snuck out through a vent and managed to take out a hive cause they didnt build more than 3 offensive towers around it. but then the commander couldnt get anything built there cause he spent all of our resources giving the rest of the team weapons and then they'd run off and die or get killed by attackers. if he'd been saving up we could have put up a new base and had a good chance. Oh well, gotta learn from other peoples mistakes as well as your own.
  • BronskiBronski Join Date: 2002-10-29 Member: 1702Members
    I hate it when one team is losing and their team mates leave the game. That in turn triggers the "omfg...teams!". Usually you see this from the aliens, sometimes from the marines. Personally, while i want to play even teams, it sucks to switch to the other side after spending half an hour trying to beat them.

    Anyways, the only time i will leave a game when my team is losing is when that is the last round i was going to play. If there is no way to win then i just go ahead and leave. Usually, i stick it out to the bitter end.

    I guess people are sore losers.
  • Pha_TsePha_Tse Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6990Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Immacolata+Nov 17 2002, 05:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Immacolata @ Nov 17 2002, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The young of today are bred in with delusions of grandeur. "You can become anything! The world's your oyster". Raised to believe that they're tiny gods. Used to watch flicks with Heroes That Does Stuff! But gods don't lose, neither does a hero, and when the tiny gods are faced with that strange phenomenon called "losing" they get all uneasy and quit. Rather that than having to face that they aren't as perfect as they think. Rather than savour the defeat and analyze what went wrong, and how to not do it again next time. I don't wonder why so many don't like chess. It is probably knowing that when you lose, there's no bad weather, high latency or "stupid commander" to blame. Only your own faculties having lost to someone that has better trained ones than yours.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Really? Interesting hypothosis, this is your topic for your Phd in Sociology i assume?
  • Dan_ForeverDan_Forever Join Date: 2002-08-02 Member: 1054Members
    I will always join the team with less players, regardless of who's winning or losing.

    I don't mind so much if we're losing (as in, fade/onos/lerk & umbra in marine spawn) and someone just quits. I do mind when you get Glory Hunters switching sides because the other team looks like it's gonna win.

    This tends to happen a lot towards the end of a match and can get really annoying. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CatgirlCatgirl Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5741Members
    This happened today when I was on Aliens...had two Hives, lost one, gained the other Hive, started the third, lost it AGAIN...Marines moved their main base there...drove them out of our third Hive, they moved back to their spawn point...eventually we drove them out and won, with only two Hives. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Really, two Hives is good enough to win. (Hell, I've come back from one by slipping quietly into the Marine base and eating their Inf Portals.) But it really does irk me when people all leave when they're "sure" they're going to lose...we lost people when we hit 1 Hive, we lost people when the third in-progress Hive got ganked, the Marines lost people I swear every time they died.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Catgirl killed SomeIdiot with bite2gun
    * SomeIdiot has left the game
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    ...All game long...sigh. I guess when you're in Heavy Armour they must be cheating or something if a Lerk kills you.

    Anyway...point is, you CAN come back from one Hive. Though I've never seen a zero-Hive comeback (and doubt I'll ever participate in one, I suck as Skulk).

    As for Marine comebacks...well, generally when the Marines are screwed, they're screwed because they overspent and have nothing to rebuild with, so Marine Commanders should think about saving that little bit for a rainy day...building those outposts of a TF and 6 Turrets isn't cheap, ya know? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Especially when one Lerk eats it.
  • Lord_ChambersLord_Chambers Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6160Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Pha Tse+Nov 17 2002, 11:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pha Tse @ Nov 17 2002, 11:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--Immacolata+Nov 17 2002, 05:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Immacolata @ Nov 17 2002, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The young of today are bred in with delusions of grandeur. "You can become anything! The world's your oyster". Raised to believe that they're tiny gods. Used to watch flicks with Heroes That Does Stuff! But gods don't lose, neither does a hero, and when the tiny gods are faced with that strange phenomenon called "losing" they get all uneasy and quit. Rather that than having to face that they aren't as perfect as they think. Rather than savour the defeat and analyze what went wrong, and how to not do it again next time. I don't wonder why so many don't like chess. It is probably knowing that when you lose, there's no bad weather, high latency or "stupid commander" to blame. Only your own faculties having lost to someone that has better trained ones than yours.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't think this is accurate.

    I think it's because they're a bunch of spoiled babies used to getting everything they want. They don't have "**obscenity**" parents that will tell them to be quiet and do this or that. They have parents that want to be friends. So, kids are never forced to do anything they don't want to do, and being fodder for aliens to eat isn't usually fun.

    Or they are all intelligent enough to realize when they've lost, and active enough in their lives that they dont' have an extra 30 minutes to spend being beaten around by a superior team.

    One of those two.
  • DistariaDistaria Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3873Members
    I agree with Immacolata completely. People just don't handle losing very well. I'd go into it more, but I haven't the time right now, I'll post more later.
  • KatsuroKatsuro Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4809Members
    Often as not it ends up spending 15 minutes at marines spawn or last hive where neither team is gaining ground. Its terminally boring to play that way, so i go to observer and watch the game instead of playing.
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