Khara Class Speed.

digz · March 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">Just messin around on ns_bhop</div> Was practicing my hop (really, this map is extreamly helpfull to those in need) on ns_bhop and decided to do some speed comparisons. With cl_showspeed 1 on, these are the average speeds of the different classes:

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Class | Normal | N w/Celerity | BHop | B w/Celerity | Extra | E w/Celerity
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Skulk | 290 | 370 | 500 | 610 | 869 | 1094
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Gorge | 170 | 245 | 300 | 430 | X | X
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Lerk | 500 | 750 | X | X | X | X
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Fade | 240 | 315 | X | X | 720 | 945
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Onos | 240 | 315 | 420 | 520 | 480 | 630
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<span style='color:red'>Please note these are the average speeds that I got while <b><i>I</i></b> was bhopping, yours may be slightly different. </span>
Lerk is flight speeds
Skulk extra: Leap
Fade extra: Blink
Onos extra: Charge.

The fastest unit in the game? The skulk when it celerity leaps. Surprisingly an onos can bhop as fast as a normal skulk if it has celerity.
I didnt take bhop for the fade because I figured it would be pretty useless info (no one does it) <span style='color:yellow'>*note: this is bhoping without the use of blinking. It is actually very usefull to add an additional "jump" at the end of a blink to retain most of your velocity.*</span>although it is possible and I got speeds around 400 when I did it for a short spell.

Informtation extracted from below:
Max bhop speed is 1.7 x (base speed).
ns_bhop can be found at <a href='http://www.nslearn.org' target='_blank'>www.nslearn.org</a>

Ill edit this post with some marine info as well, and add some more requested data.

Hey there, need to give credit where credit is due: <a href='http://www.eif.ch/~wylerd04/ns/speeds/' target='_blank'>Nicely Formated W/SS</a>. Alot more info, looks like someone beat me to it.

-edit-
Yes I realise I misspelled kharaa.

Maveric · March 2005

80% increase in speed if you bunny hop.

<i>Cute.</i>

amnesiac · March 2005

Fade bunnyhoping is far from useless. It saves energy and is a more efficient way of 'closing the gap'
Anyways, nice little study you did there, some screenshots would've been nice.

Grendel · March 2005

Now that's useful <b>analysis</b>. Nice work.

SLizer · March 2005

Ye this really si great, funyn no one hasn`t done this yet. You should still add that fade bhop - it is quite useful in <i>certain</i> situations(cough PoD cough)

Ollj · March 2005

bunnyhopping is bad!
though its quite tasty to eat just another phasegate rambo.

Nadagast · March 2005

The bhop cap is 1.7 x (base speed).

NolSinkler · March 2005

Ahhh...where can I get ns_bhop? j/w, cause my bhop usually maxes at like 1.4-1.5x my normal speed.

Beammeup · March 2005

U sure lerk doesnt fly faster with cele than skulk with leap? And alotta ppl bhop with fade just b/c of reasons stated. It was a nice analysis ima use this to my advantage later <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' />.

obuh · March 2005

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NolSinkler @ Mar 17 2005, 10:02 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Ahhh...where can I get ns_bhop? j/w, cause my bhop usually maxes at like 1.4-1.5x my normal speed. </div>
<a href="http://www.lol.com/ns_bhop.zip" target="_blank">bhop.zip</a>
<a href="http://www.lol.com/ns_bhtrain.rar" target="_blank">bhtrain.rar</a>

XCan · March 2005

I find fade bhop quite useful from time to time, if you blink then bounce you can keep up a quite decent speed and at the same time save energy. The onos bhop I find a bit rediculess, but it's useful like hell to escape as the marines can't keep up even without celerity.

Thaldarin · March 2005

This would be nice to include in the manual, along with marine speeds too.

Grendel · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Mar 17 2005, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The bhop cap is 1.7 x (base speed).  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
So are these speeds only attainable with cheats on?

tjosan · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Mar 17 2005, 11:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Mar 17 2005, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The bhop cap is 1.7 x (base speed). </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
So are these speeds only attainable with cheats on?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
No, the speed cap only comes into effect when you touch the ground (it slows you down to 1.7 x base speed). A leaping skulk not touching any walls or ground could still achieve a higher speed. There's a cap for airspeed as well, but I dont know what it is.

obuh · March 2005

I thought that air speed was capped to 3x maxspeed, but tests tend to prove otherwise. I think you can test it on your listenserver by setting sv_friction to 0. You shouldn't be slowed down to 1.7x maxspeed.

Edit: And yes, it would be nice to unlock cl_showspeed to make it available when sv_cheats is off. It could be improved too (moved a bit further down on the hud, could look a bit like the speed-o-meter like in Science & Industry or sparky tools as well).

Edit 2: I made a small quick little page with basic information (from my humble observations) about the different aliens and marines class speeds, with a couple of screenshots : <a href="http://www.lol.com" target="_blank">X</a>

amnesiac · March 2005

The command 'cl_showspeed' should be unlocked IMO.

Swift_Idiot · March 2005

I second the motion to take cl_showspeed, convert it to meters, and apply it as a speedometer. Or just unlock it.

im_lost · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Mar 17 2005, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I second the motion to take cl_showspeed, convert it to meters, and apply it as a speedometer. Or just unlock it.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I also think it would be a good idea to unlock cl_showspeed. I'm going to have to download that map later and try it out.

digz · March 2005

I will be editing the topic with new info when I get time. Ill try to grab some screens for you too, but that is dependent on me resizing and not being lazy with an image host.

DragonMech · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Mar 17 2005, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I second the motion to take cl_showspeed, convert it to meters, and apply it as a speedometer. Or just unlock it. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I have an idea in the I&S subforum to this effect. Unlock FTW! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

[EDIT]<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=85287' target='_blank'>Shameless Pimpage! \o/</a>

Minstrel_Knight · March 2005

Free showspeed.

a_civilian · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Mar 17 2005, 12:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I thought that air speed was capped to 3x maxspeed, but tests tend to prove otherwise.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Horizontal airspeed is capped at 3*base speed. Vertical airspeed is capped at sv_maxvelocity (2000) and sv_maxspeed (4000), and speed on the ground is capped at sv_maxvelocity.

MrGunner · March 2005

Lerk airspeed is now capped at 1000 up and 1200 down I believe from the changelog, but most of the time you never hit it unless you are pancaking on metal or something.

a_civilian · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrGunner @ Mar 17 2005, 03:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Lerk airspeed is now capped at 1000 up and 1200 down I believe from the changelog, but most of the time you never hit it unless you are pancaking on metal or something. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
The vertical airspeed is not actually capped at those values, but any wing flap that would exceed them is ignored (or something like that; I don't know exactly how it works). That is to say, you can still reach 2000 speed by falling or gliding downward.

MrGunner · March 2005

Yeah I wasn't sure of that as I've never tried it. I don't really notice that much difference in speed from b5 so it's not really any big deal.

Nadagast · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Mar 17 2005, 11:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Mar 17 2005, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The bhop cap is 1.7 x (base speed). </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
So are these speeds only attainable with cheats on?  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
What do you mean? They are attainable any time you just can't see it because cl_showspeed only works when sv_cheats is on. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' />

Zek · March 2005

Onos bunnyhopping would be useful if the vast majority of doors weren't too small to accomodate it.

Router_Box · March 2005

Civilian, instead of skin and bones are you made out of equations and numbers? I really would like to know how you know all this stuff, you've definately proven to be the expert on countless occasions.

[BELITTELMENT] Also squeak is a nublar. [/BELITTELMENT]

Swiftspear · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Mar 17 2005, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Onos bunnyhopping would be useful if the vast majority of doors weren't too small to accomodate it.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
Duck while you bhop, the ducking onos playerhull is the same size as a standing fade. Some passages are still to tight, but the majority have enough space. Also ducking onos/fades don't make any sound when they are bhopping.

Grendel · March 2005

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a_civilian · March 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Router Box @ Mar 17 2005, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Civilian, instead of skin and bones are you made out of equations and numbers? I really would like to know how you know all this stuff, you've definately proven to be the expert on countless occasions.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
The limit on horizontal airspeed is the maximum horizontal speed (cl_showspeed's "ground speed") of lerk flight, fade blink, skulk leap, and the jetpack. The limit on horizontal speed is determined with the use of a vertically large map (many "fun" maps can come in useful). The limit on speed on the ground is determined by setting friction to 0 or a negative. Knowledge of this last number, however, is entirely worthless; friction always provides a much lower practical limit.

Khara Class Speed.

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