Flashlight Exploit

FraggieFraggie Join Date: 2005-03-05 Member: 43556Members
in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">atleast i think its a exploit</div> i havnt used this tactic myself but i ive been on the receving side...

i think its lame that a simple flashlight can counter cloaking...

is anything being done to stop this exploit <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • keep_it_Gangstakeep_it_Gangsta Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17632Members
    fraggie no offence but I can tell your reasonable new to this game.

    The bottom line is that claok is never reliable, people with high gamma (bright screens, sometimes flashlights, some types of gfx card etc etc this list goes on) can all see cloakers to some extent.

    Try adapting your play to use ambush and stealth teechniques, which means to stay hidden and undetected without using cloak.

    <a href='http://www.brywright.co.uk/articles/21.html' target='_blank'>http://www.brywright.co.uk/articles/21.html</a>

    try reading my guide on basic alien play and skulking.
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  • FraggieFraggie Join Date: 2005-03-05 Member: 43556Members
    edited March 2005
    ive played for 2 years (pre 2.0 cant remember when i started exacly)... im not a noob... i adapt and ambush...

    just annoyed at the goons that run around spamming their flashes...
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  • TevinheadTevinhead Join Date: 2005-02-06 Member: 40097Members
    Don't walk into people with cloak then. You still have to be careful.
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  • FraggieFraggie Join Date: 2005-03-05 Member: 43556Members
    well its still a exploit... maybe make so the flash light has to be lit for a minimum of 10 secs or something...

    know a few servers (mostly dod servers) that bann gamma-sploiters...
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  • motsewmotsew Join Date: 2003-10-26 Member: 22001Members
    edited March 2005
    WTH.
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  • AbixAbix Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24359Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I totally agree. Flashlights are way too easily exploitable. This must be stopped.

    I also recommend that Marines get Nukes because it is way too hard to siege.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    squinting your eyes at a doorway counters cloaking
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  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    Cloaking counters fun. lol.
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  • ssjyodassjyoda Join Date: 2002-03-05 Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
    i can see a cloaker without flashlight or upping my gamma.. so, i dont see what your complainging about... its not supposed to make u completely invisible, so i think its viable.
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  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    Have can flashlight be exploritive <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • JNighthawkJNighthawk Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8160Members
    [insert icon where scorpion hovers without flapping]
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  • ikirikir Join Date: 2003-07-19 Member: 18265Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Gold
    <!--QuoteBegin-Fraggie+Mar 23 2005, 04:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fraggie @ Mar 23 2005, 04:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ive played for 2 years (pre 2.0 cant remember when i started exacly)... im not a noob... i adapt and ambush...

    just annoyed at the goons that run around spamming their flashes... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why? I don't see the problem. Marines can use their flashlight to light their way, and someone to see cloakers.... anyway it is difficult. But why whine? Aliens have a ot of tricks..... the alien flashlight is much more better than the marines one.
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  • BlueNovemberBlueNovember hax Join Date: 2003-02-28 Member: 14137Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Fraggie+Mar 23 2005, 09:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fraggie @ Mar 23 2005, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> know a few servers (mostly dod servers) that bann gamma-sploiters... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well that's clever. So clever it's impossible. Gamma settings cannot be read by the server, and if they're locked, you can't exploit them.

    AFAIK. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

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    If you were a marine with a flashlight who knew that it made the enemy's stealth technology flicker, I think you would use it. It's hardly exploititive. Besdies, you should never be cloaked in FRONT of a marine. The idea is to creap up behind, be on the ceiling, or be on a wall.

    *WALKING HEAD ON TO SOMEONE WITH CLOAK WILL GET YOU KILLED. DON'T TRY IT.*

    Just advice.
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  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Members
    If you're pointing within the flashlight CoF at him, you might as well spotshoot. Whats the big difference? 2 bullets? Weeeeeee.
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  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo fx+Mar 23 2005, 11:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo fx @ Mar 23 2005, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Have can flashlight be exploritive <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Looks like someone missed flashlight building in days of old.
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  • gazOzzgazOzz Work&#39;s a ... Join Date: 2003-12-25 Member: 24747Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    Or armory humping with flash light... ^^
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  • SandstormSandstorm Join Date: 2003-09-25 Member: 21205Members
    They seem to have fixed 100% cloaking so that it's completely invisible. Potential Hive locations are 100% cloaked to Marines, but in previous versions there were visible to Marines in well-lit areas. (ie. Eclipse Marine Start) Players never 100% cloak, to my knowledge, but perhaps they should.
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  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&amp;S in a long while Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Don't walk into people with cloak then. You still have to be careful.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Nothing I love more than ceiling walking right over top of some marine who is doing that
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  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Mar 23 2005, 02:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Mar 23 2005, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Diablo fx+Mar 23 2005, 11:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablo fx @ Mar 23 2005, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Have can flashlight be exploritive  <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Looks like someone missed flashlight building in days of old. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I meant in the new version, but anyways nice catch <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • Minstrel_KnightMinstrel_Knight The truth and nothing but the truth... Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9562Banned
    Cloaking is an exploit that removes skill from skulking. Please fix this immediately dev team.
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  • FooKerFooKer Join Date: 2003-07-31 Member: 18622Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Abix+Mar 23 2005, 05:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Abix @ Mar 23 2005, 05:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I totally agree. Flashlights are way too easily exploitable. This must be stopped.

    I also recommend that Marines get Nukes because it is way too hard to siege. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol. Version 1.0
    give team_nukeplant
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  • KeyserKeyser Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13591Members
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Minstrel Knight+Mar 23 2005, 02:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Minstrel Knight @ Mar 23 2005, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cloaking is an exploit that removes skill from skulking.  Please fix this immediately dev team. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You posting is an exploit that removes my sanity.

    Please fix immediately.

    EDIT: <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • c4tc4t Join Date: 2003-09-06 Member: 20619Members
    minstrel the kill in your sig is flipping hilairious, its better than the guy with the 4 knife kills. comedy.



    anyway, if a marine is using his flashlite he isnt focused on his gun so just run down and bite him.
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  • NadagastNadagast Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6884Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Mar 23 2005, 06:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Mar 23 2005, 06:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cloaking counters fun. lol. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    nice <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • NaoNao Join Date: 2005-03-06 Member: 43684Members
    edited March 2005
    I think we should take Cloaking to the next level. Instead of invisible skulks walking around, they should appear as Marines crawling animalistically on the floor. When they stop on the floor, they stand up straight.

    Yeah, but then someone's going to use their flashlight...

    AHHH SKULK!
    (/notserious)

    EDIT for lack of Sarcasm Factor:

    My God, the flashlight is illuminating dark places and making aliens who hide easier to see? How could've this one slipped by us for this much time. Obviously they got it wrong when they implemented the flashlight in NS, clearly this is exploitive and doesn't follow the concepts behind using a flashlight.
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  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    Cloaking isn't a replacement for good positioning. Ambushing, waiting on the ceiling, waiting in the dark, attacking in numbers, are all as important if not more than cloaking. Cloaking is just there for the marine to realize in that half second "ohnoes there was a skulk cloaked in that... *chomp*"
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  • Minstrel_KnightMinstrel_Knight The truth and nothing but the truth... Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9562Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cereal KillR+Mar 23 2005, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal KillR @ Mar 23 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cloaking isn't a replacement for good positioning. Ambushing, waiting on the ceiling, waiting in the dark, attacking in numbers, are all as important if not more than cloaking. Cloaking is just there for the marine to realize in that half second "ohnoes there was a skulk cloaked in that... *chomp*" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Are you daft man? There's no dark in natural-selection.
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  • hjdukhjduk Join Date: 2005-03-03 Member: 43092Members, Constellation
    Motion tracking makes cloack pretty useless unless you are camping or moving so fast mo-track cant keep up.

    Cloaked skulks aren't always 100% invisible - it depends on number of SC's ( doesn't it? ).
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  • ChurchChurch Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation
    Cloaking negates Motion tracking, making it useless.
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  • NaoNao Join Date: 2005-03-06 Member: 43684Members
    edited March 2005
    Cloaking negates motion tracking for aliens at or below 10% Visibility I believe.

    Checking...

    Doesn't say in Changelog, but Turrets don't fire at aliens with < 10% Visibility.
    SC Cloak negates MT though.

    EDIT: Feel free to correct me as I just play the game (ever since babblers) and I don't analyze the game.
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